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Edward Snowden Says The U.S. Stranded Him In Russia

Edward Snowden Says The U.S. Stranded Him In Russia

Commented Jun 5, 2014 at 13:03:58 in Politics

“The guy was a lousy traitor... He could have screamed all the way up the ladder and kept records of it and stayed here to release whatever... But he stole MILLIONS OF PAGES...

And then wants to decide what he can release... BS...”
Edward Snowden Says The U.S. Stranded Him In Russia

Edward Snowden Says The U.S. Stranded Him In Russia

Noodle Head on Jun 4, 2014 at 23:16:34

“I don't get it. How is this relevant in the least?
Beyond that, the very link you gave me explains the problem with it.

Or try this
http://www.whistleblowers.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1468&Itemid=208

But I think you should actually read the EO itself here:
http://www.va.gov/ABOUT_VA/docs/President-Policy-Directive-PPD-19.pdf

You may notice a couple of problems (on top of the last paragraph that basically provides a loophole):

It creates an "internal" path to whistleblow - in other words, you're protected by this EO if you decide to whistleblow what you deem NSA abuse to the NSA and their supervisors.

This has been tried before this EO and we see the result of that (check Binney, Drake, Loomis, Weibe).

The only thing this EO adds would be that Binney, Loomis and Weibe would be allowed to get back to work.. But the problem wasn NOT that they wanted to get back to work and couldn't. It was that they though the Gov did something illegal and wanted to report it to the American people - which this EO does not protect.

Drake (2011 recipient of the Ridenhour Prize for Truth-Telling and co-recipient of the Sam Adams Associates for Integrity in Intelligence) award and someone like Ellsberg (Right Livelihood Award) would not be covered by this EO.

So how is this relevant?”
Edward Snowden Says The U.S. Stranded Him In Russia

Edward Snowden Says The U.S. Stranded Him In Russia

Commented Jun 3, 2014 at 22:36:15 in Politics

“The EO was signed two years ago...”

Noodle Head on Jun 3, 2014 at 23:50:50

“Which Executive Order are you talking about? Please link or provide exact name.”
Edward Snowden Says The U.S. Stranded Him In Russia

Edward Snowden Says The U.S. Stranded Him In Russia

Commented Jun 3, 2014 at 19:55:27 in Politics

“Were talking about spies and national security... And as I said there is an EO protecting them if they go to their superiors...

I guess it would be ok with you if we just broadcast where our spies are and what they're doing...”

Noodle Head on Jun 3, 2014 at 21:39:50

“I'm going to reply to you by taking you at your word that you're an open minded person and this is how you see things... not a fanboy where it's a waste of time to provide any arguments and facts..

Okay, so to answer your thing going through the system. It doesn't work and it's been proven not to have worked.

Binney, Weibe, Loomis & Drake are just a few examples of going through the system and not only being ignored, but actually being burned for daring to bring up the issues. Matter of fact, if you watch the Frontline: State of Secrets doc you will see the supervisors responsible for this actually say (on film) something like "Yeah, if they came to me I probably would not have listened to them" - I kid you not.

Ed certainly saw all this happening, but even he tried to go through the system. In the beginning the Gov said they have no record of him having tried to go to a superior if he felt something is wrong. Now, they found at least one email from him.

But beyond that, there is the moral factor... as MLK said "Never forget that everything Hitler did in Germany was legal."

If national security of a so called "democratic country" involves spying on your law abiding citizens indiscriminately then you might want to question whether such 'national security' is actual a security for the people or the state. Gestapo did National Security too.”
Edward Snowden Says The U.S. Stranded Him In Russia

Edward Snowden Says The U.S. Stranded Him In Russia

Commented Jun 1, 2014 at 19:06:34 in Politics

“Yes, that's correct... Just like cops aren't supposed to take the drugs from criminals and sell them...”

Noodle Head on Jun 2, 2014 at 23:15:23

“Except that the analogy would sound more like this:
Cops can't report that other crooked cops take drugs from criminals and sell them.
That's because the problem here wasn't doing something illegal, it was reporting something illegal.

"Yes, that's correct" - Why not move to North Korea then.”
Edward Snowden Says The U.S. Stranded Him In Russia

Edward Snowden Says The U.S. Stranded Him In Russia

Commented May 31, 2014 at 13:44:06 in Politics

“Is that an executive order...? If you want to give interviews DON'T BE A SPY...”

Noodle Head on May 31, 2014 at 18:31:26

“Really, so if you're a spy you basically sign your life away to the devil. You could be carrying out genocide at the request of your government but you could never go to a reporter and say something as simple as "While I can't talk about it, I think what we're doing is extremely wrong"?

You cannot even talk about unclassified information. You think that's okay in a democratic open country? How would that even BE a democratic and transparent country with such rules?

You think it should all be hidden away and it would basically come down to taking Clapper's word for it?

You do know that historically speaking this is how police states operate, right?

I'm speechless...”
Edward Snowden Says The U.S. Stranded Him In Russia

Edward Snowden Says The U.S. Stranded Him In Russia

Commented May 30, 2014 at 18:18:00 in Politics

“That's NOT what he signed...”

Noodle Head on May 30, 2014 at 21:10:50

“You can read about it here. It's implemented by the administration, Clapper & Co... who else...
http://complex.foreignpolicy.com/posts/2014/05/30/spies_say_theyre_confused_and_outraged_by_restrictions_on_talking_to_journalists
Edward Snowden Says The U.S. Stranded Him In Russia

Edward Snowden Says The U.S. Stranded Him In Russia

Commented May 30, 2014 at 18:17:09 in Politics

“Whatever you say...”
Edward Snowden Says The U.S. Stranded Him In Russia

Edward Snowden Says The U.S. Stranded Him In Russia

Commented May 30, 2014 at 14:26:51 in Politics

“Promoting the general welfare in this case means collecting metadata to keep EXPLOSIONS out of America...

And ANYONE who acts like they didn't know this is LYING...”

Christopher Nagy on May 30, 2014 at 15:57:31

“You might want to brush up on the definition of the word "know."

And, good lord, that is the first time I've seen anyone invoke general welfare as a justification. Not even the NSA has invoked general welfare; probably because it is a ridiculous statement. You do remember that the NSA is charged with keeping an eye on foreign elements, right? That whole FISA court? Yeah, FISA stands for Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act. Going domestic was not part of the NSA's purview.

But I get where you're coming from: metadata has helped prevent numerous terrorist plots, right? No. Actually, it hasn't acted to prevent anything. The list of 50+ plots that the NSA said the program was vital in helping to stop turned out to be an exaggeration of about 50+. President Obama's administration looked into the list and they found maybe one incident that you could sort of claim that it might have helped with, if you squint hard enough at the report.”
Edward Snowden Says The U.S. Stranded Him In Russia

Edward Snowden Says The U.S. Stranded Him In Russia

Commented May 30, 2014 at 14:25:44 in Politics

“So now he shouldn't care about national security...? It was signed before Snowden...”

Noodle Head on May 30, 2014 at 14:51:30

“Classified information was always illegal to talk about.. this gag was not necessary for that. Let me use an analogy to make you understand:

Suppose you work for Boeing. You already have a contract that you cannot divulge any information on the planes they make and the technology used etc... That's already in place with harsh punishments.

But then Boeing institutes a gag order whereby you cannot go to the press and say ANYTHING. Things like "they work us too much"... or "I think it's unethical what they're doing"... or even "I've been discriminated at work". In other words, they get a free pass to do the most unethical stuff and it's all good because you can't talk about it.

Hope this makes it clear.

Fun fact: The NSA has a program of internal propaganda of how to discuss and promote the NSA at work and among your family (look it up).”
New York Times Prints Glaring Typo On Front Page

New York Times Prints Glaring Typo On Front Page

Commented May 29, 2014 at 20:02:16 in Media

“I thought it was the use of diffuse... That doesn't seem grammatically correct...”
Edward Snowden Says The U.S. Stranded Him In Russia

Edward Snowden Says The U.S. Stranded Him In Russia

Commented May 29, 2014 at 18:20:39 in Politics

“SPIES ARE NOT SUPPOSED TO TELL YOU WHAT THEY KNOW... That's why they are spies...”

Christopher Nagy on May 29, 2014 at 18:36:36

“You could put a little effort into being coherent. As for spies; the oath to uphold and defend the Constitution takes precedence over any other oath, agreement, or pledge Snowden may have made the US government.”
Edward Snowden Says The U.S. Stranded Him In Russia

Edward Snowden Says The U.S. Stranded Him In Russia

Commented May 29, 2014 at 18:20:01 in Politics

“No, Obama signed an Executive Order protecting intelligence community workers who wanted to talk about what they thought was "bad..."

In 2010 or 2011... I believe it was because of Manning..”

Noodle Head on May 29, 2014 at 18:37:39

“Have you even done the research? If you would have done it you would have seen that I was wrong.

That's right... I was wrong. He prosecuted more whistleblowers than the past administrations (plural), all of them, combined. And I don't mean signed that gag order, which was actually signed quite recently.

google this: Charting Obama’s Crackdown on National Security Leaks”
Veterans Groups Rip Into Sen. Richard Burr For Questioning Their Priorities

Veterans Groups Rip Into Sen. Richard Burr For Questioning Their Priorities

Commented May 26, 2014 at 14:36:21 in Politics

“BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAA..!”
Being Mistaken For Kitchen Help Just Made This Exec More Outspoken

Being Mistaken For Kitchen Help Just Made This Exec More Outspoken

Commented May 25, 2014 at 21:35:04 in Black Voices

“Well, I'm brown and my race is well-paid...”

hjo4 on May 25, 2014 at 22:12:28

“What is the Brown race in America?”
Bianca Del Rio Crowned Winner Of 'RuPaul's Drag Race' Season Six

Bianca Del Rio Crowned Winner Of 'RuPaul's Drag Race' Season Six

Commented May 22, 2014 at 21:08:37 in Gay Voices

“We don't deserve this planet...”
Mitt Romney Rips Anti-Obama Police Official's 'Vile Epithet,' Calls On Him To Resign

Mitt Romney Rips Anti-Obama Police Official's 'Vile Epithet,' Calls On Him To Resign

Commented May 18, 2014 at 14:34:57 in Politics

“Better yet, tell your kids this is their country too and if they make you suffer to get somewhere you still got somewhere...

You have the right to take advantage of this country and its resources... Even more right considering how many never had the right...”
Creeping Bundyism: The Next Anti-Government Showdown Could Take Place In Utah

Creeping Bundyism: The Next Anti-Government Showdown Could Take Place In Utah

Commented May 9, 2014 at 17:14:44 in Politics

“I went to the Facebook page... I expressed my displeasure...”

itcounts on May 9, 2014 at 19:33:33

“Great idea, thanks.”
Nancy Pelosi: Families Of Benghazi Victims Have Asked Us Not To Launch New Committee

Nancy Pelosi: Families Of Benghazi Victims Have Asked Us Not To Launch New Committee

Commented May 9, 2014 at 16:47:36 in Politics

“Right, because the GOP refuses to PAY THEIR TAXES... Many of them would be above $250K...

Not one cent for anyone but the rich...”
Nancy Pelosi: Families Of Benghazi Victims Have Asked Us Not To Launch New Committee

Nancy Pelosi: Families Of Benghazi Victims Have Asked Us Not To Launch New Committee

Commented May 9, 2014 at 16:45:05 in Politics

“They can read the existing documents with ALL the info...”
Nancy Pelosi: Families Of Benghazi Victims Have Asked Us Not To Launch New Committee

Nancy Pelosi: Families Of Benghazi Victims Have Asked Us Not To Launch New Committee

Commented May 9, 2014 at 16:32:58 in Politics

“How do you hide an email...? It's on a server... Not in a drawer...”
Obama: 'Nothing Works' Because Republicans Are Willing 'To Say No To Everything'

Obama: 'Nothing Works' Because Republicans Are Willing 'To Say No To Everything'

Commented May 8, 2014 at 21:18:20 in Politics

“Ummm, but that means more DEMs wanted to raise THEIR OWN taxes while hardly ANY GOPers wanted to...”
Don Sterling Is Awful, But Our Racist Economy Is Even Worse

Don Sterling Is Awful, But Our Racist Economy Is Even Worse

Commented May 7, 2014 at 11:41:30 in Business

“White society, KCID... When you step up and say maybe we did too much and have to reverse it, I'll not want to kick you...”
Obama's DEA Chief Refuses To Support Drug Sentencing Reforms

Obama's DEA Chief Refuses To Support Drug Sentencing Reforms

Commented May 6, 2014 at 14:12:56 in Politics

“But you can THREATEN offenders with anything that may help.. That doesn't mean we have to use the minimums...

I'm torn between legalizing and not but I'm CERTAIN marijuana should NOT be listed with heroin...

And I'm sure we shouldn't be locking up people for something less dangerous than alcohol...

It figures she's a Bush appointee...

Conservative means don't grow or change much less evolve...

Useless panderers...”
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