“The thing is this article isn't about the strippers. It's asking if there is a motivation beyond a carnal desire that drives men to enjoy buying the opportunity to took at naked women.
Malkin if this article had been about the ills of buying the services or a waitress or waiter no one would care. It wouldn't make the news. I think it might not even be important enough for you to spend so much time answering these posts. It's different. It's different because this is something that matters to you. It matters to a lot of men, but why? So the natural next question is why. Why is it so important to defend this behavior?”
Malkin71 on May 12, 2009 at 09:40:59
“I disagree that that is the difference although I agree there would be no articles about waitresses.
The difference is a Puritanical view of sex. That is the only difference between stripping and the other jobs I have talked about.
What, beyond carnal desires, would drive us to do it? Perhaps it's just so obvious to me that that is the reason....I really don't even get what you are implying....why else would they do it?
BTW, in spite of what many seem to think, I'm happy to have a rational discussion on the topic and I appreciate your comments.”
“I agree with you. "Men are pigs" is a trump cards that gets played all too often. I think it is probably said mostly out of frustration, and it's never productive. In Tarrant's defense, I don't think she was asking you to stop watching. She was asking you to ask yourself why you want to buy to opportunity to watch naked women?”
unebaiser on May 18, 2009 at 20:03:07
“Because they will not do it for free”
Malkin71 on May 12, 2009 at 08:56:34
“Except for the part where she did tell men to stop watching (hence my frustration with this article being called unbiased) and, in fact, offered suggestions as to what we should do with our time now that we are enlightened....
"The real issue, then, is not whether men keep watching naked women parade around in Lucite heels. The real point is that it's time for men to expand their repertoire, pay attention, and start watching something new. Like their kids growing up. Or our shifting attitudes about gender, work, and home life... More men can get involved with projects like A Call to Men's National Speak Out, a conference about ending male violence against women."
Again, I don't go to strip clubs, but like most men, I am visually stimulated and understand why men go....I understand why they like pornography, etc. and I am tired of a the feminist movement using this one relic of Puritanism...our "shame" and "guilt" over sex...as a tool to further their agenda. I'm sure they won't go along with the rest of the man as master aspects of Puritanism, but they are happy to use America's confusion over sex to drive their anti-male, anti-sex agenda.
Just in case my answer to your question got lost, I'll make it very clear....Men like seeing women naked. Not because society tells us to, but because we like it. Simple.”