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Fat Pride Community: We're Being Scapegoated In Health Care Debate
Commented Nov 09, 2009 at 17:16:42 in Politics
“Sorry, but America functions on a strict scapegoat policy. We scapegoated welfare recipients, then got rid of welfare, so we needed a new scapegoat. We came down hot and heavy on cigaret smokers, but this is starting to fall apart, too; under 20% of us smoke, very few will develop a disease as a result, most of us have absolutely no exposure to tobacco smoke, and this lays bare the miserable fact that escalating rates of disease (not to mention the destruction of the entire planet's environment) is because of our cars... and we don't want to quit driving as much as we wish. Well, you can't scapegoat a majority, right? We need a different scapegoat. With conditions as bad as they are today, no one really wants to scapegoat those who drink. So, what are our choices? We choose over-weight people because they are instantly identifiable, sparing us the bother of thinking at all. If we're over-weight, we simply point a finger at someone who is fatter. All things considered, I think Americans really, really want someone -- anyone! -- toward whom they can feel superior.”
BunnyX replied on Nov 11, 2009 at 07:45:57
“Exactly! And telling yourself that you are not only better than people who are overweight, but that it's all because of your own hard work, good judgment, and moral superiority (rather than luck and good heredity) is a double bonus.”
FabulousAt52 replied on Nov 10, 2009 at 09:10:21
“Thank you. That is so true on so many emotional levels.
Our society has spent the last three generations being trained, manipulated and brainwashed into judging each other -- not by our actions, or contributions -- but by what one LOOKS like, and what one HAS, materially.
We have convinced our young people (male and female) that if a woman isn't THIN, trendy-fashionable and serviceable to men, then they are pretty much useless and deserve no respect or love....”
Our society has spent the last three generations being trained, manipulated and brainwashed into judging each other -- not by our actions, or contributions -- but by what one LOOKS like, and what one HAS, materially.
We have convinced our young people (male and female) that if a woman isn't THIN, trendy-fashionable and serviceable to men, then they are pretty much useless and deserve no respect or love....”
New York Post Chimp Cartoon Compares Stimulus Author To Dead Primate
Commented Feb 19, 2009 at 08:29:58 in Media
“Are Americans as ignorant as many of these posts would indicate? Are they really so incapable of interpreting political satire and symbolism?
The chimp symbolizes the bill, NOT Obama. It's rather shocking, in a Freudian sort of way, that people would see a drawing of a chimp, and conclude that it signified Obama. My understanding of the cartoon is that the bill, like the chimp, was handled by Republicans in a manner ("Shoot first, ask questions later") indicating that the only response that occurred to them was to kill it.”
The chimp symbolizes the bill, NOT Obama. It's rather shocking, in a Freudian sort of way, that people would see a drawing of a chimp, and conclude that it signified Obama. My understanding of the cartoon is that the bill, like the chimp, was handled by Republicans in a manner ("Shoot first, ask questions later") indicating that the only response that occurred to them was to kill it.”
amayesing replied on Feb 19, 2009 at 13:36:20
“This is perhaps the best comment made towards this cartoon. However, one must understand that images and symbols may have more than one meaning. And when you are trying to make a point it is often good not to be offensive as to not get your message across because people are so wrapped up in the wrong intrepretation. If this writer grew up in America or has any history on events in America then I'm sure he was aware of the association of the image with derogatory inferences. Still it was his choice to run it. He knew it would get the attention it did. Perhaps he had a chance to view his personal opinons and he did.”
Aimleft replied on Feb 19, 2009 at 09:48:19
“The chimp does NOT symbolize the bill. It symbolizes the AUTHOR of the bill, hence the need to get someone else to write the next one. Are you as IGNORANT as you accuse others of being?????”
formerprosecutor replied on Feb 19, 2009 at 09:09:07
“Ohhh we got the "symbolism" alright”
FR replied on Feb 19, 2009 at 08:46:26
“So nice to know that in order to make a point one must begin with insults.
I think we read the "symbolism" and satire just fine. We just didn't like it.
And your understanding is fine, except for the small tiny fact that the republicans DID NOT kill the bill, so how does that work again?”
I think we read the "symbolism" and satire just fine. We just didn't like it.
And your understanding is fine, except for the small tiny fact that the republicans DID NOT kill the bill, so how does that work again?”
fredisfred replied on Feb 19, 2009 at 08:45:34
“No, the chimp symolizes the writer of the stimulus "bill" (which is now a law, not a bill), not the bill itself. That's why the policeman is saying they'll have to find someone else to write the next bill, since they just shot the chimp who wrote the first bill. The problem is that Obama is the one person most closely associated with the bill, and responsible for getting it through Congress.”
RNC Launches 'Obama Is A Celeb' Website
Commented Aug 01, 2008 at 23:36:11 in Politics
“On thew "star treatment" that has the Republicans all a-twitter, have the forgotten about the endless adulation showered on Reagan? From the (mindless) mainstream press, one would have thought Reagan wasn't merely a star, but a deity!”
Jesse Jackson Disparages Barack Obama: Caught On Tape (VIDEO)
Commented Jul 10, 2008 at 14:28:26 in Politics
“Does anyone reading this believe that Jackson has an obligation to be in lock-step agreement with
(obedience to?) Obama, simply because of race? And what will count in the long run"; the color/gender of the president or the policies of that president's administration?”
(obedience to?) Obama, simply because of race? And what will count in the long run"; the color/gender of the president or the policies of that president's administration?”
chi replied on Jul 10, 2008 at 16:43:42
“Agreed,but what did Obama say that the good Rev felt it was necessary to castrate him for?Gimmie a break,there is no defending Jackson's remark,it was pure jalousy and thats all.”
luvangelHussein330 replied on Jul 10, 2008 at 15:55:12
“No one is syaing that he needs to support Obama just because of race there areplenty of black people and leaders who don't but you don't need to be so caluas as to calim to casterate someone because you don't like thier views. the only reason Zjesse is sorry is because he got caught.”
lotuslike replied on Jul 10, 2008 at 15:35:45
“No one is talking about his needing being in lockstep with anyone, for race or any other reason. That's a truly simplistic remark. I have always respected Jackson, but his own comments were ugly and unnecessary. AND ON FOX!!!! Disagree if he must, but cut the crap with the castration talk. It does no one any good, and if there was another point Jackson wanted to make it's basically lost to his petty, nasty comment.”
barackobama4prez replied on Jul 10, 2008 at 14:40:19
“what does disagreeing with someone have to do with berating them on fixed news? enough spin...i'm already dizzy listening to the rethuglicans try to spin gram for gramps.”
Jesse Jackson Disparages Barack Obama: Caught On Tape (VIDEO)
Commented Jul 10, 2008 at 14:02:43 in Politics
“No, the granting of sainthood to Obama is nothing more than a media thing. Beyond that, people are just desperate for a change, a way out of the incredible mess we're in now.”
Jesse Jackson Disparages Barack Obama: Caught On Tape (VIDEO)
Commented Jul 10, 2008 at 13:56:47 in Politics
“Huh? Can you name a single issue on which the Dem Party is "ultra-left"? Or even "slightly left of center"? How about one piece of mildly progressive legislation passed by the Dems over the past quarter century? On international policies, there would be no war(s) today without solid Dem support of the militarism promoted by the Republicans.
On economic issues, the Dems have been fully supportive of those policies that crushed unions, suppressed wages and gave corporations taxpayer money to move our jobs to foreign countries, creating the unprecedented economic disparities we have today.
Here's a quiz for you: Which president emphasized America's responsibility to aid those in poverty? It was (Republican) President Eisenhower. Which president hiked welfare benefits to their highest level, creating a full range of education and job skills training opportunities? That was Republican President Nixon. Next, which president fulfilled the greatest dream of the ultra-right when he took an ax to the New Deal? That was Democratic President Clinton.”
On economic issues, the Dems have been fully supportive of those policies that crushed unions, suppressed wages and gave corporations taxpayer money to move our jobs to foreign countries, creating the unprecedented economic disparities we have today.
Here's a quiz for you: Which president emphasized America's responsibility to aid those in poverty? It was (Republican) President Eisenhower. Which president hiked welfare benefits to their highest level, creating a full range of education and job skills training opportunities? That was Republican President Nixon. Next, which president fulfilled the greatest dream of the ultra-right when he took an ax to the New Deal? That was Democratic President Clinton.”
Jesse Jackson Disparages Barack Obama: Caught On Tape (VIDEO)
Commented Jul 10, 2008 at 13:34:47 in Politics
“Actually, the "personal responsibility" speech has come to mean nothing more than a justification for our own greed, indifference and judgmentalism. There would be no winners without losers, no rich without the poor. It's in the best interests of those at the top to keep the bottom firmly at the bottom. For the middle, it's more personal: they're afraid that the poor who are able to work their way out of poverty will take their jobs, pushing THEM into poverty. And we all want government to target someone, anyone, other than us.”
Jesse Jackson Disparages Barack Obama: Caught On Tape (VIDEO)
Commented Jul 10, 2008 at 13:12:49 in Politics
“Hmm.. Maybe it's that they see Obama as SAFER, more likely to protect those cherished gated communities, to fight for the right to well-kept golf courses, to ensure public safety when it comes to imported caviar.
But seriously, yes, we do have personal AND social responsibilities, as Jesse Jackson has maintained for decades. Jackson's message has always been one of fearlessly trying to achieve one's own potential. That's something no one can do for you, but what they can do is unlock those doors that so effectively keep the poor in poverty today. At the same time, we have a moral responsibility to help those who aren't making it in spite of their best efforts. It is in the best interests of the US to bring back the education and job skills training programs that are key to enabling people to obtain family-supporting jobs while re-building the world-class workforce that we once had. The survival of this country depends on it.”
But seriously, yes, we do have personal AND social responsibilities, as Jesse Jackson has maintained for decades. Jackson's message has always been one of fearlessly trying to achieve one's own potential. That's something no one can do for you, but what they can do is unlock those doors that so effectively keep the poor in poverty today. At the same time, we have a moral responsibility to help those who aren't making it in spite of their best efforts. It is in the best interests of the US to bring back the education and job skills training programs that are key to enabling people to obtain family-supporting jobs while re-building the world-class workforce that we once had. The survival of this country depends on it.”
Jesse Jackson Disparages Barack Obama: Caught On Tape (VIDEO)
Commented Jul 10, 2008 at 12:40:14 in Politics
“Silly, these tactics are so old they're covered with dust! Of course politicians rely on audience plants, etc. They always have. Face it, those in the media are not America's "brightest and best", so to avoid anything as strenuous as examining political platforms, researching policies, etc., they rely heavily on quick sound-bites and those titillating "gotcha" moments.”
Jesse Jackson Disparages Barack Obama: Caught On Tape (VIDEO)
Commented Jul 10, 2008 at 12:32:07 in Politics
“You're grievously misinformed. Jackson worked VERY hard for decades to bring the changes needed to reduce US poverty, sometimes (in the early days) risking his own life. Without Jackson's (and others) dedicated work in the civil rights movement, Obama probably wouldn't have had a chance of even getting elected as a local dog catcher, because of his race. You should spend some time studying Jackson's life, work, speeches, etc.
Jackson already knows what works. Take our "failed" welfare programs, for example. While providing aid (at or below the poverty line), it gave families the stability and means to move forward into family-supporting jobs, often via welfare education and job training programs. It worked. Some 80% of welfare recipients voluntarily quit welfare in under 5 years, many working their way up to the middle class, repaying (via their income taxes) all the aid they had received. Jackson figured out decades ago that people are poor when they are cut off from the means to work their way out of poverty. He fought to open those doors to opportunity.
The difference between Jackson and Obama: Obama attacks the poor while Jackson attacks the causes of poverty. Think: The US lost hundreds of thousands of jobs at the same time that hundreds of thousands of people were "moved from welfare to work". That adds up to a LOT more workers struggling for far fewer jobs. That's a problem that can't be solved by reciting over-used cliches.”
Jackson already knows what works. Take our "failed" welfare programs, for example. While providing aid (at or below the poverty line), it gave families the stability and means to move forward into family-supporting jobs, often via welfare education and job training programs. It worked. Some 80% of welfare recipients voluntarily quit welfare in under 5 years, many working their way up to the middle class, repaying (via their income taxes) all the aid they had received. Jackson figured out decades ago that people are poor when they are cut off from the means to work their way out of poverty. He fought to open those doors to opportunity.
The difference between Jackson and Obama: Obama attacks the poor while Jackson attacks the causes of poverty. Think: The US lost hundreds of thousands of jobs at the same time that hundreds of thousands of people were "moved from welfare to work". That adds up to a LOT more workers struggling for far fewer jobs. That's a problem that can't be solved by reciting over-used cliches.”
Jesse Jackson Disparages Barack Obama: Caught On Tape (VIDEO)
Commented Jul 10, 2008 at 11:58:06 in Politics
“Iraq is only one element, it gets a LOT of discussion online. There is a bigger picture. Since becoming president, Bush has threatened: Iran, Syria, Pakistan, Afghanistan, South America (i forgot which country), Cuba, N. Korea, etc., etc. He intends to invade Iran in the very near future. Iran has responded by preparing its military, which Bush is now using as an excuse to invade...
Now, remember when Bush and Putin were buddies? Then they had san undisclosed falling out; the Russian press indicated that Bush demanded obedience that Putin wouldn't give. So, first Bush came up with a plan to move military forces just north of Russia... ONLY coincidentally within missile range of Russia. Bush's next plan was to set up missiles along Russia's western border on the pretext of protecting (whomever) from Mideast terrorists (ONLY coincidentally within missile range of Russia). Wouldn't it make more sense to put the missiles in, say, Greece or Italy? Maybe Israel? Russia views Bush's plan as a provocation of war.
Add all this up, and you get an obvious plan to launch World War III. Other countries have figured this out. We haven't, because we aren't looking at the whole picture.”
Now, remember when Bush and Putin were buddies? Then they had san undisclosed falling out; the Russian press indicated that Bush demanded obedience that Putin wouldn't give. So, first Bush came up with a plan to move military forces just north of Russia... ONLY coincidentally within missile range of Russia. Bush's next plan was to set up missiles along Russia's western border on the pretext of protecting (whomever) from Mideast terrorists (ONLY coincidentally within missile range of Russia). Wouldn't it make more sense to put the missiles in, say, Greece or Italy? Maybe Israel? Russia views Bush's plan as a provocation of war.
Add all this up, and you get an obvious plan to launch World War III. Other countries have figured this out. We haven't, because we aren't looking at the whole picture.”
Jesse Jackson Disparages Barack Obama: Caught On Tape (VIDEO)
Commented Jul 10, 2008 at 11:35:20 in Politics
“Please apologize for your offensive comment about "damn children". No, children don't always long for two parents, and a bad parent isn't better than no parent at all. Many successful, happy people grew up in single-parent homes, like Obama.
You are misinformed. After the primaries, Obama reversed course, confirming that he will maintain the policies that have been so damaging to this country. You're fortunate if you're as unaware of economic realities as you seem. Consider what happens when there are more job seekers than jobs.
Obama's "solution": attack the poor. Jackson's solution: attack the causes of poverty. Jackson's ideas are grounded in reality. What the poor need is access to education and legitimate job skills training. Some need medical care before they can work. Today, the doors out of poverty have been locked shut. We DEMAND the poor to do the impossible.
In the past, one obtained skills training on the job.Today, you need to have the skills before you can get the job. Few can afford college, and are shut out of jobs that pay a living wage. Businesses whine about the quality of US workers, and export our jobs to foreign nations that DO provide people with aid, education and skills training (welfare). Why would a country help its poor? Because they saw that it works for the benefit of the country, creating a world-class workforce, increasing wages, consumer spending and government revenues. It's for the common good.”
You are misinformed. After the primaries, Obama reversed course, confirming that he will maintain the policies that have been so damaging to this country. You're fortunate if you're as unaware of economic realities as you seem. Consider what happens when there are more job seekers than jobs.
Obama's "solution": attack the poor. Jackson's solution: attack the causes of poverty. Jackson's ideas are grounded in reality. What the poor need is access to education and legitimate job skills training. Some need medical care before they can work. Today, the doors out of poverty have been locked shut. We DEMAND the poor to do the impossible.
In the past, one obtained skills training on the job.Today, you need to have the skills before you can get the job. Few can afford college, and are shut out of jobs that pay a living wage. Businesses whine about the quality of US workers, and export our jobs to foreign nations that DO provide people with aid, education and skills training (welfare). Why would a country help its poor? Because they saw that it works for the benefit of the country, creating a world-class workforce, increasing wages, consumer spending and government revenues. It's for the common good.”
Jesse Jackson Disparages Barack Obama: Caught On Tape (VIDEO)
Commented Jul 10, 2008 at 10:21:52 in Politics
“I take it you don't have experience with the "black community", much less with our poor. Do you think scolding a group of people for failing to do the impossible is "constructive"? Think a minute: The US loses hundreds of thousands of jobs annually while the number of job-hunyers grows. If every job opening today were filled, there would still be thousands without work. This never was a full-employment economy. Very few can afford college, and nearly all the rest will remain in bottom wage jobs. Is the solution to America's economic disaster to scold young black men for abandoning their families when they can't secure family-supporting jobs? Financial distress is, and always has been, the leading cause of families breaking up. (And most impoverished families are white.)
Chad, when was the last time you saw ANY display of "unconditional praise and pretend empathy" for the poor??? Since the '80's, the US -- including progressives -- embraced an economic caste system. Americans don't like the poor. We embraced policies against them that are actually prohibited by the UN's Universal Declaration of Human . In defiance of facts and logic, we decided that poverty is a "behavior" issue, not an economic issue. As long as the poor remain locked out of the public discussion, we can remain blissfully ignorant, unburdened by any desire to examine the issues beyond embracing over-used cliches.”
Chad, when was the last time you saw ANY display of "unconditional praise and pretend empathy" for the poor??? Since the '80's, the US -- including progressives -- embraced an economic caste system. Americans don't like the poor. We embraced policies against them that are actually prohibited by the UN's Universal Declaration of Human . In defiance of facts and logic, we decided that poverty is a "behavior" issue, not an economic issue. As long as the poor remain locked out of the public discussion, we can remain blissfully ignorant, unburdened by any desire to examine the issues beyond embracing over-used cliches.”
Jesse Jackson Disparages Barack Obama: Caught On Tape (VIDEO)
Commented Jul 10, 2008 at 09:18:37 in Politics
“No, what they won't embrace is a false message of unity and hope. Obama stated his intent to continue the war(s) in the Mideast, and to maintain the economic policies that have so horribly failed this country. In short, he will maintain the Republican/corporate agenda. Should Jesse Jackson march in lockstep with Obama solely because both are black? Jackson failed twice because it took time for the US to even consider a president who wasn't a rich white guy. Jackson led the way, opening doors that made it possible for Obama to move up the ladder. Do you know what conditions were like before the civil rights movement? Back then, Obama wouldn't have had a chance of even being elected as a local dog-catcher, solely because of race.
Here's what you don't get. When he won the primaries, Obama "clarified" his commitment to the Republican/corporate agenda, including his plans to continue the current war(s) while maintaining the "Gilded Age" economic policies that have benefited the rich at the expense of everyone else. In short, Obama will maintain the most DIVISIVE policies. So much for unity...”
Here's what you don't get. When he won the primaries, Obama "clarified" his commitment to the Republican/corporate agenda, including his plans to continue the current war(s) while maintaining the "Gilded Age" economic policies that have benefited the rich at the expense of everyone else. In short, Obama will maintain the most DIVISIVE policies. So much for unity...”
Jesse Jackson Disparages Barack Obama: Caught On Tape (VIDEO)
Commented Jul 10, 2008 at 08:32:45 in Politics
“The reasons the "old warriors" of the 60's are critical of Obama isn't hard to understand. We've seen enough to put political campaigns into historical context, we've seen the worst (and best) of govt, and we don't want to be fooled again by a "progressive" candidate. Issues/policies must determine your vote, not the race, gender or age of the candidate.
Upon winning the primaries, Obama "clarified" his agenda, in fact taking an abrupt right turn. On the two leading issues, Obama "clarified" that he'll continue the military wars as well as the economic wars against the poor/working class. These policies won't be less toxic if delivered by Obama instead of McCain
I was a surprised that a man as intelligent as Obama would make those remarks about black families. The leading reason marriages end, or don't happen in the first place, is economic. If either parent loses a job, the family can't afford to remain together. We've lost a few million jobs, most of which went to people without a college education. Before Reagan, one could secure a job immediately after being laid off, and climb back up the ladder. Those jobs are gone, the social safety net is gone. Scolding the poor for failing to do the impossible shows that Obama is out of touch with today's economic realities.”
Upon winning the primaries, Obama "clarified" his agenda, in fact taking an abrupt right turn. On the two leading issues, Obama "clarified" that he'll continue the military wars as well as the economic wars against the poor/working class. These policies won't be less toxic if delivered by Obama instead of McCain
I was a surprised that a man as intelligent as Obama would make those remarks about black families. The leading reason marriages end, or don't happen in the first place, is economic. If either parent loses a job, the family can't afford to remain together. We've lost a few million jobs, most of which went to people without a college education. Before Reagan, one could secure a job immediately after being laid off, and climb back up the ladder. Those jobs are gone, the social safety net is gone. Scolding the poor for failing to do the impossible shows that Obama is out of touch with today's economic realities.”
Brooklynindy replied on Jul 10, 2008 at 10:25:09
“DHF, I was ready to light into you, but instead, I'll ask you to expand on your views. Could you expleain to me, please,:
1) On what do you base your assertion that "if one parent loses a job, the family can't afford to remain together."
2) What's the basis, or the data, for your assertion that "We've lost a few million jobs, most of which went to people without a college education."?
3) You state, "Before Reagan, one could secure a job immediately..." Again, what are you basing this on?
Please enlighten me, because my memory seems to be failing me. The world you describe is not the one I remember, and your perception of reality is quite different from mine. I appreciate your insight.”
1) On what do you base your assertion that "if one parent loses a job, the family can't afford to remain together."
2) What's the basis, or the data, for your assertion that "We've lost a few million jobs, most of which went to people without a college education."?
3) You state, "Before Reagan, one could secure a job immediately..." Again, what are you basing this on?
Please enlighten me, because my memory seems to be failing me. The world you describe is not the one I remember, and your perception of reality is quite different from mine. I appreciate your insight.”
dm92 replied on Jul 10, 2008 at 09:55:59
“That is a bunch of BS - raise the children you callously and irresponsibly create - the world would be a better place. BTW, I'm as BLACK as they come.”
williamg replied on Jul 10, 2008 at 09:55:46
“In other words, if a man is poor, he has an excuse to not be in his children's life. Does that really make sense to you?”
Vergadoce replied on Jul 10, 2008 at 09:36:11
“DHFabian,
Sometimes the poor need a swift kick in the ass. Black ppl have been pacified for decades and look where we're at. We've gotten next to nowhere. So the answer isn't more welfare, more woe-is-me rallies, and it's not Reagan's fault. The welfare system needs to be deconstructed and torn apart. I'm a black man from the South, and it pisses me off to hear this incessant whining from scum merchants like Jackson. Have you ever been abroad? Poor people in Africa or Central America, even in developed countries such as Italy, would KILL to have it so "rough" in America. There are ppl in those countries who are so poor, and they're so remotely based, they have no prospects for an education. They have no roads to get places. Their nearest grocery store is literally a 15 mile walk on gravel "roads." There's no education assistance for college. They'd take our "predicament" any time. Black folks in America have a jaded perspective on hard living. if you spend as much time changing your fate rather than complaining about it, no telling where we'd be. Reagan left office 20 years ago. Time for a new excuse. In the meantime every other minority group in this country will continue passing us by. Maybe one of these days you'll wake up but you'll be too far in the distance for anyone to hear your complaints or care. And Jackson won't be around to host the pity party.”
Sometimes the poor need a swift kick in the ass. Black ppl have been pacified for decades and look where we're at. We've gotten next to nowhere. So the answer isn't more welfare, more woe-is-me rallies, and it's not Reagan's fault. The welfare system needs to be deconstructed and torn apart. I'm a black man from the South, and it pisses me off to hear this incessant whining from scum merchants like Jackson. Have you ever been abroad? Poor people in Africa or Central America, even in developed countries such as Italy, would KILL to have it so "rough" in America. There are ppl in those countries who are so poor, and they're so remotely based, they have no prospects for an education. They have no roads to get places. Their nearest grocery store is literally a 15 mile walk on gravel "roads." There's no education assistance for college. They'd take our "predicament" any time. Black folks in America have a jaded perspective on hard living. if you spend as much time changing your fate rather than complaining about it, no telling where we'd be. Reagan left office 20 years ago. Time for a new excuse. In the meantime every other minority group in this country will continue passing us by. Maybe one of these days you'll wake up but you'll be too far in the distance for anyone to hear your complaints or care. And Jackson won't be around to host the pity party.”
bentenrai replied on Jul 10, 2008 at 09:34:34
“So you say being poor and jobless, you have an excuse to skip being a father to your children? That's the biggest load of BS I've ever heard. I had an uncle, addicted to alcohol, ended living in the street and under the charities of family members when we found him. Even after his wife divorced him, he continued to see his children, created toys and well sculpted slingshots with coffee or pibas tree twigs for his son and nephews, and made drawings and never stopped making his daughters laugh. He was thinking about us although he was lost. That made the whole difference.
And believe you me, these items are intricate and very detailed works of art. I would not give my slingshot away for a million dollar. That's my uncle's legacy. So if you think Barack Obama's dissing black people, I cannot agree with you. If you want to f**k without having children, there are plenty of free condoms given away by non-profits, as well as the next day pill for women. There's no excuse for black men to not assume their responsibility as fathers.”
And believe you me, these items are intricate and very detailed works of art. I would not give my slingshot away for a million dollar. That's my uncle's legacy. So if you think Barack Obama's dissing black people, I cannot agree with you. If you want to f**k without having children, there are plenty of free condoms given away by non-profits, as well as the next day pill for women. There's no excuse for black men to not assume their responsibility as fathers.”
Freedomscap replied on Jul 10, 2008 at 09:29:53
“Please. Economic times were harder during the depression and during the Jim Crow era for black folks and you didn't see fathers leaving and not taking responsiblity for their families then.
This is a moral/values issue, not an economic issue.”
This is a moral/values issue, not an economic issue.”
alieninvader replied on Jul 10, 2008 at 09:21:21
“I don't believe Obama was speaking about divorce specifically. I believe he was talking about fathers abandoning their children. I'm white and I was abandoned by my father. I know the disadvantages this can give to a child. The children suffer both emotionally and financially. The mother is working, so they don't have time to be involved in the childrens' educations. The kids are often forced to go to work as soon as they can to help support the family, often resulting in not finishing high school. College is barely an option to these kids. It all perpetuates the endless cycle of poverty, crime.”
Highwind replied on Jul 10, 2008 at 09:15:44
“"On the two leading issues, Obama "clarified" that he'll continue the military wars as well as the economic wars against the poor/working class."
Umm...Barack Obama never said he was continuing the war. He said he will refine his Iraq plan if need be. That means if the commanders on the ground say that he can only pull one combat brigade out ever two months, instead of two out of month then that's what he'll do. If he was going to change his plan, then he would have said redefine. I'm not sure what the heck your are talking about when you say economic wars. His tax plan will give middle class families the biggest tax cut in American history. What Obama said about fathers being absent in homes is true. He wasn't only talking about black fathers, either.”
Umm...Barack Obama never said he was continuing the war. He said he will refine his Iraq plan if need be. That means if the commanders on the ground say that he can only pull one combat brigade out ever two months, instead of two out of month then that's what he'll do. If he was going to change his plan, then he would have said redefine. I'm not sure what the heck your are talking about when you say economic wars. His tax plan will give middle class families the biggest tax cut in American history. What Obama said about fathers being absent in homes is true. He wasn't only talking about black fathers, either.”
trinity29 replied on Jul 10, 2008 at 09:14:33
“I am sorry for my ignorance. But how has O actually claimed that he will wage a war against the poor/working class?
In terms of marriages ending, I hope you do know that you can father a child even without being married right? O was calling on those dads that are not a part of their child's lives and not those who are married but just happen to lose a job. O was not scolding anyone for losing any jobs. He was calling on deadbeat dads to be more responsible and present in raising their children. How is it that you have a problem hearing that?”
In terms of marriages ending, I hope you do know that you can father a child even without being married right? O was calling on those dads that are not a part of their child's lives and not those who are married but just happen to lose a job. O was not scolding anyone for losing any jobs. He was calling on deadbeat dads to be more responsible and present in raising their children. How is it that you have a problem hearing that?”
american2008 replied on Jul 10, 2008 at 09:12:15
“Really? I guess divorce and family abandonment skyrocketed in the 30's because of the depression huh? It's not economic pal, that is just an excuse. There are many excuses made like their own fathers left the family so it's a pattern, how is economics the major issue when most studies show that the father leaves a woman pregnant and then goes on to father several other children with different women? I dont care if you are Black, White or Hispanic, this is a destructive pattern that needs to stop.”
kingcityguru replied on Jul 10, 2008 at 09:06:33
“You must be joking.
The intervention of the government through welfare checks is the main reason why there are so many single parent homes in the black community -- if you give people an economic reason NOT to get married through the payment to women of money for the government for each child then they will not (and will have more children because it means more money).
Whatever the government subsidizes, you will get more of it.”
The intervention of the government through welfare checks is the main reason why there are so many single parent homes in the black community -- if you give people an economic reason NOT to get married through the payment to women of money for the government for each child then they will not (and will have more children because it means more money).
Whatever the government subsidizes, you will get more of it.”
Dane1911 replied on Jul 10, 2008 at 08:59:18
“Please, every thing Obama said abou the Black Family is true, and its about time somebody said it...The truth hurts at times, but that doesnt mean you stray away from it. No you acknowledge it and face it head on.”
NYT Public Editor: Dowd "Went Over the Top" in Clinton Coverage
Commented Jun 25, 2008 at 17:49:32 in Politics
“Opposition to H. Clinton is due to her policy priorities and agenda. No politician should be above all criticism. "It's the issues, stupid." Many oppose Clinton's stand on the issues. The Clintons are solidly conservative, advocating Republican goals, from increased militarism to repealing the New Deal to supporting NAFTA. It is irresponsible --indeed, downright anti-American -- to continue supporting "tax relief" for the rich, at the expense of common good programs, such as the infrastructure (watch those bursting dams and crumbling levees!), aid to our neediest, salvaging our health care and education systems, etc. The policies H. Clinton has supported since before B. Clinton's administration clearly show that she is a solid conservative corporatist. Indeed, on military and social issues, the Clinton's are to the right of (Republican) Presidents Eisenhower and Nixon, modern history's most conservative Republican presidents.
Are we better off than we were before the "Reagan Revolution"? No, most are either just treading water or have already sunk. In this land of opportunity, we have only a fraction of the jobs we need (thousands outsourced, at our expense). In this Land of Freedom, with declining crime, we imprison a greater portion of the population that ANY other nation. Most of us are one step away from losing everything, and there is no social safety net.
Opposition to Clinton is based on the policies. Obama, too, is a corporatist, but we at least hope for marginal improvements.”
Are we better off than we were before the "Reagan Revolution"? No, most are either just treading water or have already sunk. In this land of opportunity, we have only a fraction of the jobs we need (thousands outsourced, at our expense). In this Land of Freedom, with declining crime, we imprison a greater portion of the population that ANY other nation. Most of us are one step away from losing everything, and there is no social safety net.
Opposition to Clinton is based on the policies. Obama, too, is a corporatist, but we at least hope for marginal improvements.”
spaceman3838 replied on Jun 26, 2008 at 17:25:27
“opposition of hillary from dowd is not about policy, its about something very petty, not sure what but its got to be petty”
White House Requests $4.75 Million To Fund Cheney Office Operations
Commented Jun 26, 2007 at 14:57:08 in Politics
“Ummm...How many more years does Cheney plan to stay in office?”
OneVoiceInACrowd replied on Jun 26, 2007 at 15:04:41
“Well his plan would be to impeach George Bush at the end of 2008 thereby moving into the presidency himself and claiming the incumbent.”

