“This is the conservative utopia, in which you have to beg for help and hope and pray you get enough publicity if you get sick. Imagine all the people who are similar circumstances but not fortunate or capable enough to post on youtube and make it onto HP's radar.
I intend to help her but please, people, we are the wealthiest nation in the world's history. Some things transcend left vs. right binaries. The human body is a sacred thing; its care should never have been given over to soul-less profit machines. It seems we can all agree that we can do better than this.”
Donkey Joto on Jan 2, 2012 at 22:40:17
“I have a feeling my new year of 2012 will be as miserable as my last year. The republicans, conservatives, neo-cons, nativists, corporationists, nativists and robber barons will once again make me a PMW (paranoid mexican male).
If we elect a republican this next year we will have manifest destiny, may the lord and my abuelita help us all.”
Donkey Joto on Jan 1, 2012 at 18:31:19
“Another victim of the AGM (angry white male), republicans, Robber Barons !!!!!!!!!”
“It's been a bad month for the toughest sherriff in the history of the universe. For his crimes against humanity and our constitution, he should be made to live out the rest of his years picking fruits and veggies in pink underwear during the day, and sleeping in one of his own tent cities at night.”
“To the contrary, I understand it too well. Again, the problem with libertarians is their selective reading of history and our founding texts. Their understanding is based on a revised foundation with lots of gaps. Not necessarily false, just highly filtered and bent to fit the libertarian narrative. There is a lot of selective forgetting and ignoring required to be a good libertarian.
None of the libertarians I know knew that the constitution we have today was actually our second attempt, and that our first attempt - The Articles of Confederation - was basically a failed experiment since it gave too much power to the states and offered too little federal power. They also didn't know that the constitution uses the term "public welfare" more than once, and that our founders warned of the dangers of excessive wealth concentration and shared ideas that today would be considered socialist by many more extreme conservatives and libertarians. None of them are remotely aware that the constitution does not dictate capitlalism, or any economic system for that matter. In fact, many nations who've adopted our constitution have socialist or hybrid socialist-capitalist economic systems. There's nothing in the constitution that would keep the majority from voting in leaders with non-capitalist ideologies.”
Donkey Joto on Dec 23, 2011 at 20:12:50
“Ms. Donna Quixote,
You know all the libertarians and can spaek for all of them? You go girl !!!”
“This is why I've never bought liberatarianism. Here it is in a nutshell: "I'm pathologically obsessed with the complete liberty of myself and that of the narrow socioeconomic class, race and religion I pertain to, at the expense of the liberties of all 'others'. Forget about the other three legs of the stool that holds up our constitutional republic: life, the pursuit of happiness and equal rights for all. Just give me my God-ordained liberty, and by the way my liberty comes first before yours. As long as I have mine, tough sh*t for you, and keep out of my stuff and my business."
As appealing as libertarianism appears on the surface, every self-professed "libertarian" I've ever known, when pressed, comes off like this. Some utopia! If a "nation" is an imagined community (which is related to words like "common"), libertarianism aims to ultimately destroy what we understand today as a modern nation. It's about as regressive and reactionary as you can get, and worse, it requires a revisionist history and very selective readings of our founding documents and the Bible itself in order to function.”
Gib on Dec 23, 2011 at 17:27:43
“Not to mention that they are just as unrealistic about human nature as the Anarchists.”
tranquilhorizons on Dec 23, 2011 at 16:06:12
“I think you misunderstand libertarian ideology.
Our Founding Fathers practiced libertarian thinking & based our Constitution on that.
Our country was founded as a Republic. We all are supposed to have the right to Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness. We should all be able to live our lives as we please, so long as we do not interfere with other's rights.
Nowhere does it say we have a right to be happy - just to PURSUE happiness. Same goes for wealth, financial comfort, everything. We don't have a right to any of it it - just the right to pursue those things without interference so long as you don't interfere with rights of others.
We don't have a legal duty to give other people our money or help anyone, but we all have a moral, ethical duty to help others. That's between us and our own conscience, or God, or Karma, or whatever we believe in. You can't force morality, or belief.
Ron Paul fights for the rights of every individual. That includes YOU.
When our founders followed the principles of freedom and liberty for all, our country prospered.
Now that more and more of those rights are being taken away, America is floundering on the verge of economic (not to mention moral) collapse.”
David Reber on Dec 23, 2011 at 16:04:52
“You have a completely distorted view of libertarianism. Ron Paul is not an anarchist, he is for Constitutional government. That's it, which means a small Federal Government that defends our bill of rights. Why do people think that states can pass unconstitutional legislation? You do understand that only at the state level can a citizen petition the government for legislation. You can get signatures and attempt to get issues on the ballot. You cannot do this at the federal level.
What do you think your federal income tax pays for? It is the largest withholdign on your paycheck. Police, Fire, Utilities, Roads, Schools are all funded by state and local taxes, including property taxes and school levies. The excise tax on gasoline funds the federal highway system. Medicare and Social security are their own separate tax and unemployment is a state funded benefit that employers help fund. So what does your income tax pay for? It pays the interest owed to the Privately owned Federal Reserve Bank. It pays for our unconstituional wars. It pays for 500 million dolalr loans to bankrupt energy companies like solyndra. It pays for the corporate and bank bailouts. The vast majority of Americans receive their day-to-day benefits from their state and local governments.”
Barry Peterson on Dec 23, 2011 at 15:56:15
vman2003 on Dec 23, 2011 at 15:40:25
“First off - I've never heard of "my liberty comes before yours" being said by any libertarian ever. But I m not going to even argue that one, because i want to get something else straightented out here.
For the sake of everyone here, especially people who think that Ron Paul would force his "libertarianism" on states and somehow make this anarchistic society or whatever their wild imagination comes up with... Ron Paul is , by his convictions, libertarian. But his agenda is constitutional conservatism. Under Ron Paul the federal government would be returned to its constitutional limitations and would have no mandates to tell states whether they should have public healthcare, education, drug prohibition and so forth. States that want to have those certainly can, those that don't - they can do that as well. Ultimately states that came up with good policies would set an example to others about what works and what doesn't, that would eventually follow them, not by force and mandates, but out of their own will (and those that don't - well it's up to them as well). This way states that make mistakes in their policies are the only ones affected by those mistakes, and they can correct based on the example set by other states. On the contrary - the messed up system we have today ensures that when the federal government makes a mistake (and they do more often than not) - they make it for all 50 states.”
StephenBP on Dec 23, 2011 at 15:39:24
“Bravo! Well Written!
I would love to see how a libertarian would respond to this appraisal, as I have to call it as dead on correct.
rolor on Dec 23, 2011 at 15:33:56
“Well said. Extreme narcissism appears to be Liberatarianism in a nutshell.”
“Actually, if I recall right, the new birtherism project holds that the interpretation of the constitution is that parents (at least one?) must be NATIVE born, thus, making both Mitt and Obama ineligible. This is from their point of view of course, not mine.”
Dec 21, 2011 at 19:10:43
“This is karma to the tenth power for the "toughest sheriff in the history of the universe". Karma always gets its man (or woman). Sometimes it takes its time, but it always finds its way back to those who induce suffering in the less fortunate.
Arpaio is most definitely going to get his. He has about ten huge cannons pointed at him right now. At least one is likely to find its mark.”
panamadan on Dec 21, 2011 at 20:30:56
“no one escapes karma What is Arpaio's ethnicity ? Besides Facist”
“A little ironic since Romney is technically a Latino (hispanic, mexican-american, whatever you want to call it). His dad was born in Mexico, and his grandparents emigrated there. A good part of the Romney extended family is still there - his cousins - and they are Mexican and white.
If he were to be the GOP candidate, things will get interesting with the birthers, who are now arguing that Obama isn't legit because his dad wasn't born here and our founders meant native parentage too. I wonder if they'll file lawsuits to fight a Romney presidency too? (I think we all know the answer to that!)”
Dragonstalon on Dec 21, 2011 at 19:12:26
“If Romney's dad gave up his Mexican Citizenship, and became an American Citizen before Mitt was born, then there is no issue...the Issue is the Citizenship of the parents at the time of Birth.”
“"Property monopolized or in the possession of a few is a curse to mankind."
"The balance of power in a society, accompanies the balance of property in land. The only possible way, then, of preserving the balance of power on the side of equal liberty and public virtue, is to make the acquisition of land easy to every member of society; to make a division of land into small quantities, so that the multitude may he possessed of landed estates."
-- John Adams, 1765
"No man ought to own more property than needed for his livelihood; the rest, by right, belonged to the state."
-- Benjamin Franklin
"… a general and tolerably equal distribution of landed property is the whole basis of national freedom… the very soul of a republic."
-- Noah Webster, writing in favor of adopting the U.S. Constitution in 1787
"Another means of silently lessening the inequality of property is to exempt all from taxation below a certain point, and to tax the higher portions of property in geometrical progression as they rise."
-- Thomas Jefferson
Thomas Paine suggested that a tax on inherited wealth could fund a social-security like program for those without the benefits of fortune.
"Here the equalizing genius of the laws distributes property to every citizen."
-- Thomas Paine
"There’s class warfare, all right, but it’s my class, the rich class, that’s making war, and we’re winning."
-- Warren Buffett”
argved on Dec 21, 2011 at 14:31:02
“Looks like President Obama is way behind the curve on the whole Socialist thing.”
CollectiveNotIndividual on Dec 21, 2011 at 14:17:58
“Please folks....open up your eyes!! When liberals talk about a wealth tax....these liberal progressive democrats DO NOT plan on taxing ALL households with wealth...they only plan on taxing us Joe Average private sector workers. Government employees can have $4 million or $5 million net worth.....but because their wealth is hidden in a pension....they won't pay this wealth tax. Those of us in the private sector don't have a vehicle to hide that kind of wealth. Is it okay to tax a private sector employee who scrimped and saved and has $1M for their retirement...but not tax congress or a government employee that's earned a pension/COLA/retirement medical plan worth $5M?? Is that fair ?? Wake up !!”
“I've been listening on and off the House debates going on all morning. In case you're confused, this is quite simple. The GOP is sick and grotesquely dysfunctional. They are suddenly feigning a heartfelt concern for the working class for two disingenuous reasons:
1. They don't want to give Obama and the dems any wins at all, nation and working class be dam*ed.
2. They are sore about losing all the poison pills they put into the original bill, and now want to go to committee to either get them back in, or if not, let the bill die in committee.
Let's not forget that they never wanted any of the payroll tax cut in the first place because it benefits the rich very little, if at all. Don't for a second believe that they suddenly got religion on caring about he working/middle class or the poor.”
“Please just look at the facts. Life isn't always balanced this way. Sometimes there really is a bad guy. The GOP is clearly trying to kill the tax cut extension for the working class in such a way that it sets up the dems as the fall guy. Committee is often a tactic to kill or indefinitely stall bills. I agree with your sentiment, but both sides are not equally to blame here.”
FXBelle on Dec 20, 2011 at 22:55:02
“I can agree that both sides are not to blame equally. Both sides are to blame for continuing the stalemate. The question is, "why can our reps not fix this?" The answer is that most reps are bought off through campaign contributions and they must pay the piper after their election. One must ask why congressmen have better salaries, better healthcare, and better retirements than the average American. Why is that? Are they better people, worth more than you and I? No. They just have control over our tax dollars and THAT sets anyone up for unethical behavior. Their "constituents" are the 1% and corporations who give to their campaigns and they throw bones to the rest of us!”
“Liberals are getting to the point that they're dangerously complicit with the great conservative regressive project. Future historians (if the future conservatives charge will permit them to write), will not look kindly on liberals either.”
“Just about every teabagger in my area that I've talked to claims to be a libertarian. Now, they may not know what it really means, since they're teabaggers after all, and we all know they simply regurgitate tea party propaganda mindlessly, but they are fixated on liberty, while ignoring the other two legs of the stool: life and the pursuit of happiness.
Their obsession with liberty seems very selective too. Many are religious Christians, and they see no inconsistency with claiming their right to liberty, while denying gays, immigrants, pot smokers, women, poor people, minorities, etc. their right. Big government to control them, small government so I can do what I want to do. I've seen lots and lots of examples like this. Many of my young adult sons' friends are Paul freaks (not teabaggers though) and some have suprisingly bigotted attitudes. Believe me, I would join up if I didn't see so much darned hypocrisy and incongruent thinking. They are blind to this too... as you are?”
“I've never met a libertarian who was through and through truly libertarian. There's always something ugly underneath and I've always found them to be highly selective about their passion. Usually it's small government libertarianism for me and for the things that benefit me, but big government restriction for you and the things that benefit you.
They read the constitution like the far right reads the Bible: selectively and with total self-interest.”
DanInLA on Dec 15, 2011 at 21:33:29
“Then you haven't met many libertarians. I know of none who support big government restrictions on anything. Since you have, please share one or two examples that support your claim. What kind of big government programs have the libertarians you've met called for?”
Harpro208 on Dec 15, 2011 at 21:31:19
“Strip away the "Constitution" layers of a libertarian and you find an ugg_ly greedy little hater underneath.”
“This proves that his tactics were patently illegal and unconstitutional. He should thus be arrested and forced to spend the rest of his years in pink underwear living in one of his own tent cities in the AZ desert.”
Chipper Jones on Dec 15, 2011 at 15:07:54
“guilty until proven innocent...congrats, you are a true Dem”