“i am guessing you are trolling because that is just a ridiculous statement. Even if you believe that the Dems are guilty of this, in no way could you ignore the attacks from the GOP. While the facts would easily prove that the most vile attacks are from the GOP (not all of them) for you to state that this is just a Dem issue is just absurd.”
“in defense of able bodied men, I ride through times square daily and I always see young men giving up their seats. On top of that, I almost never see young women giving up their seats. I pay way too much attention to this, but I get very annoyed when I see an elderly person or a pregnant woman forced to stand, but i think these "young able bodied men" are getting a bad rep. I am not sure where you were going with the "cultural" thing, but what i have witnesses crosses all boundaries.”
KayAch7 on Apr 26, 2012 at 12:01:01
I do agree with you on this. In my experience (as a pregnant woman 4 years ago) and in my observation, men have given up more seats than females, especially the young and able bodied chics. Really catty.....and rude.”
kelyking on Apr 26, 2012 at 11:17:26
“You're right. There are those who give up the seat. And it shouldn't go unappreciated. It's always the few bad apples... I saw something the other night, coming uptown on the 6 train. I was standing. Two elderly, seemingly tired but able women got on the train. One and only one seat was available. One of the women sat while the stood. The seat next was taken by a young man with ear buds watching and knowing the standing woman struggled with her balance. He watched her the entire ride with an uncaring and rude nonchalance, never offering his seat. This I do not understand. My cultural reference referred to the understanding that in some parts of the world, the male is afforded comfort much more readily than the female. But in all cultures, the elderly are respected. An older woman struggling to keep her balance on a fast train deserves respect and the comfort of a seat.”
“Listen, I wasnt trolling, i was looking for an answer and maybe an actual dialogue. Yes, the foreskin has specialized nerve endings, it is part of the body.
I have had this conversation with many "victims" and none of them are suffering from what you describe as "nerve damage and harm to the sensory system." I should also mention that all of them (albeit a relatively small sample size) are perfectly happy with their current state (as are their spouses).
I personally do not feel that this is a barbaric mutilation on par with something like female circumcision. That was my point. I am trying to understand where this fits in your outrage. I am curious since I do not feel that way.
And no, I am not trying to cover my own mutilated state (and thank you for the concern) by disfiguring the next generation.”
Redhunteur on Mar 9, 2012 at 08:07:43
“"I should also mention that all of them (albeit a relatively small sample size) are perfectly happy with their current state (as are their spouses)."
So is an animal born in captivity and kept locked in a zoo. That's because it doesn't have anything else to compare it to. Sure doesn't make the best case scenario however. If someone removed half of your taste buds when you were a child, you wouldn't and couldn't possibly know what you were missing.”
Lfwngcons on Mar 8, 2012 at 23:19:29
“I personally agree with you, I am very glad my mother made that decision.”
AwesomeInfo on Mar 8, 2012 at 19:52:29
“"I personally do not feel that this is a barbaric mutilation on par with something like female circumcision."
You are aware that it is illegal to even "prick" the prepuce of a girl (thank goodness), which is 100 times less invasive than what we currently allow to happen to boys. Why would it have to be barbaric mutilation in order to be considered wrong for boys, just as it is for girls?
The right to your own body exists for women up to and including removing potential life from their body, because they don't want it there. I agree with that. But when it comes to a boy and it is ONLY his body we are talking about, suddenly, that right the Supreme Court upheld to our own bodies is set aside in favor of societal desire to inflict cosmetic surgery on another. It is just plain wrong to force any cosmetic, irreversible, medical procedure on another...even if it is just a boy.
With 100 boys dying annually because of it, how many is enough? If it's medically necessary, great...do it...just like a cleft lip. We currently have laws that allow 100 boys to die each year in a procedure that we already protect girls from. I've said it before...just think about taking his sister to his grave and telling her, "You never had to worry about it happening to you dear...we had laws to protect you."”
hillrat75 on Mar 8, 2012 at 19:48:02
“I can't imagine how much more pleasure I could possibly have while having sex...I mean WOW, it must be even awesomer. The fact for me is, I would not want to look at it at all. So I am happy, and am not psychologically wounded because my parents made this decision.”
“for those of you calling circumcision a "barbaric mutilation," could you explain why you see it that way? in the majority of cases it is a minor surgical procedure having no negative side effects (speaking from experience here). Do you see it as the same as female circumcision? The baby in this article died because of an antiquated practice performed by a sick individual, but most circumcisions are done in a completely safe and sterile environment.”
ramp613 on Mar 9, 2012 at 09:07:23
“Dovoid, yes, I see that cutting a minor male's genitals is quite similar to cutting a minor female's genitals.
A normal, healthy, sensitive (actually, erogenous), and functional part of their body is removed without consent.”
Killermolls44 on Mar 9, 2012 at 04:34:43
“I see female ones as worse because its usually done in a much more crude fashion. But I see doing it on infants, without them choosing it as wrong. If an adult man wants it, go for it. It's the choice that matters.”
“Uncircumcised wieners are gross. I'm an atheist, and my kid's still going to get his ding dong taken care of.”
pyrobryan on Mar 8, 2012 at 16:43:12
“It is most certainly, by definition, mutilation. The fact that is genital mutilation performed on an infant makes it, in my opinion, barbaric.
Why not let the child grow up and make the decision for themselves if they want to have a chunk of the junk cut off?”
JackieNO on Mar 8, 2012 at 16:40:05
“Don't you think disconnecting about 20000 highly specialized nerve endings from the brain is a negative side effect. In my view any removal of functioning tissue, particularly erogenous tissue can only be decidedby the owner.
It is way past the time for the baby boy pen is parts removal to stop. If an adult wants to cut off genital parts, that is fine. Amputating nerves, blood vessels, protective covering tissue and pleasure zone tissue of infants must stop.
No one that is at all credible claims there are no functions to the parts cut off. However, the sexual function and pleasure are ignored or downplayed by the penis part removal pushers those trying to get cover for their own mutilated state by forcing the disfigurment on the next generation (SHAME). The long term harm is huge with nerve damage and harm to the sensory system. A whole range of sensation and sexual and protective function are lost. The lips, nipples and fingertips have similar touch sense. To take this away from another person without their consent is heinous.
To remove these parts from a baby is way creepy.
It is interesting that Davoid thinks NO negative effects when humans have known about the reduced pleasure and diminished sexual function for years.”
“I hear your argument. I dont know what documented cases you speak of, but I agree that any medical procedure does have implied risks. One would hope that common sense would lead parents to look for the safest method, but obviously that was not the case. While it is an unnecessary tradition to you, its much more than that to others.”
“i know you were addressing Aubie01's point, I was just making another point. I found the statistics interesting because i read many posts about how its a Jewish mutilation thing and I appreciated seeing some stats.”
You have to look for others (trusted sources that are not religious based) I am circumcised (full disclosure) so I didn't have a choice. I don't think it's terrible, just wanted you to look at other research.”
“the baby died because the mohel used an antiquated technique, not from the procedure. I am curious if there is any information on health risks (or lack of) when the circumcision is done properly.”
Marc NL on Mar 7, 2012 at 14:20:15
“it is documented. Besides common sense should tell you that any medical procedure will have risks implicated. After all we are dealing with people. The only way to prevent medical complication is to stop this unnecessary tradition. I would argue that the life and health of your new born is more important than anything.”
“there are other explanations besides "to set them apart." I think your stats are really powerful. With so many people crying Mutilation on this thread, I think your numbers are really interesting. thanks.”
kwinter on Mar 7, 2012 at 14:19:40
““there are other explanations besides "to set them apart."
Maybe, but I was addressing Aubie01's religious reason.
And, I don't see any connection between statistics of prevalence and "people crying Mutilation".
“having had this discussion with many "victims" i can tell you that they all are happy with the traditional way it was done. Granted its a small sample size I am talking about, but there was no talk of a preferred alternative. At what age would you consider this other method? 18? 13?”
ramp613 on Mar 7, 2012 at 20:02:02
“The age of consent for medical procedures is 18, at which point he can choose for himself.