“Hopefully never. But they have their pawns in Congress that they control. Republicans were given every opportunity to participate the first 4 years and the best they came up with were bills that they promptly voted against the second Obama came out in support of it. It's hard to hold Obama accountable for much of the inaction in Washington when you look at the complete lack of any reasonable discussion or ideas coming from the right wing.”
Douglas Andrew Hanlon on May 28, 2014 at 11:30:58
“really matt? Bussiness consulted?
You would have made a fine ussr citizen wouldn't you.”
“So, just to be straight, the US Chamber of Commerce is coming out with a response even before the new rules have been released. So, once again we have a case of conservatives predetermining an outcome and reacting on that outcome instead of even acknowledging there is a problem and contributing to solving that problem. Of course, they will also be the first to whine about how they weren't consulted when in fact, they want no part of it.”
indyclem on May 28, 2014 at 13:42:28
“neither did the dems when they controlled both houses because they voted cap and trade down for good reason”
Concrete Cranium on May 28, 2014 at 10:56:01
“The problem is that GW is a grow government ruse and we already know that Obama wants to make the cost of energy skyrocket. What we see yet again is that conservatives are informed and know whats going on while democrats are wandering in the dark like sheep to the slaughter taking the rest of us with them as usual.”
Douglas Andrew Hanlon on May 28, 2014 at 10:17:33
“please matt....tell me when the Obama administration has consulted the chamber of commerce about anything?”
“I'm not surprised. While sad, it's clear that Klinnsman is taking the team in a different and younger direction. Everything about this team says that Klinnsman is playing for 2018. Not very many veterans on this team at all. Ultimately, we'll find out if this was a good move in about a month.”
“The problem with jobs bill has nothing to do with the President. You might have missed the sarcasm in my post. The bottom line is the last 4 years have been the most worthless Congress in my lifetime. Really, they need to give their salaries back because if anyone else had the job performance of these jerk wads they would have been fired a long time a ago.”
“Yes, there is a reason jobs aren't being created now. It's called the express lane that's been built over the last two decades to ship jobs out of the country. It's called the tax policies that encourages companies to store their money in overseas accounts and not reinvest in the company here at home. There are a million ways that we could encourage job growth without the government actually "creating" jobs, but neither party seems interested in doing this. Well, one party doesn't want to do this. The other party has apparently just given up.”
“This is the answer right here. Neither party is willing to do what actually needs to be done and make bills that make it cheaper to keep jobs in America rather than ship them overseas. Seeing as our Congress no longer works for their constituents but for corporations, I don't expect that to change anytime soon.”
“There is no reason why jobs aren't being created now, is there? Are we suppose to wait until government says "Let the jobs begin"? I don't think any roadblocks have been put in the way of job creation.”
Michael B Curtis on May 21, 2014 at 21:12:17
“It is really simple, end favored trade status with any country that runs a massive trade imbalance and end NAFTA, both of those would bring back hundreds of thousands of jobs, for free.”
SenatorsLIE on May 21, 2014 at 20:12:14
“I think Obama wanted roads and bridges repaired/built, that would provide a LOT more jobs than the XL pipeline's 35 jobs.”
Clyde Beckett on May 21, 2014 at 18:48:49
“Good luck - mosta the legislation has been encouraging job growth in other countrys.....”
berthalat on May 21, 2014 at 17:14:57
“Have you met the republican house? The republican Senate even filibuster their own Bills and the house republicans won't bring bills that were passed by the senate to the floor for a vote.”
bluedodge47 on May 21, 2014 at 17:14:04
“OH KNOCK THAT COMMON SENSE STUFF OFF...”
lvas12 on May 21, 2014 at 16:31:29
“its called unemployment insurance - its not a benefits program - like folks are trying to make it into apparently.”
Pamala Dixon on May 21, 2014 at 16:21:09
“Ignorance is bliss. I talk to people who have lost their jobs almost every day. Most of them are in construction or other jobs that require little education. It is so easy for you to blow this whole thing off from your comfortable family photo. So I will give you an example.
Mona lost her job. She was in her fifties. She went through the "Jobs Center", learning how to write resumes and to do an interview, but the jobs went of younger and better educated applicants. She kept telling us there was no need for concern. She had her savings when her unemployment benefits ran out.
Mona received her eviction notice in November. Seems she hadn't paid her rent in over a year. She had to move within thirty days.
She said everything was OK. She had a daughter living in Florida.
No one had seen her for awhile. When the manager finally went in it was to find her dead on her couch. Best guess was that she lay down on Christmas Eve and just didn't get up again.
I wasn't surprised. She really didn't have anywhere else to go.”
Craig C King on May 21, 2014 at 16:20:40
“We're not going to be able to suddenly re-train 60 year olds for highly competitive high-tech jobs.
What we need is a public works program, to re-build our country's deteriorating infrastructure (highways, bridges, rail, water works and sewer systems, public buildings, parks, schools, etc.) That investment will yield long term economic benefits by facilitating commerce, public health, travel, recreation, and education, and by creating decently-paying jobs that don't require substantial training. That's what FDR did, and millions of Americans benefitted then as well as now. Your home town public library and sidewalks and park trails may have been built by long term unemployed people who were then employed through the Works Project Administration.
But of course Republicans just want to believe that the unemployed are lazy and undeserving... In order to rationalize their mean-spirited opposition to taxes and taking care of their neighbors.”
firstwizard on May 21, 2014 at 15:08:22
“Then it might be seen as Obama having success. You know that Republicans would NEVER vote for such a thing.”
SGMinutah on May 21, 2014 at 15:02:00
“Republicans have offered several jobs bills but Harry won't let them get a look in the senate.”
Justice and Freedom on May 21, 2014 at 14:50:42
“That's what restoring these benefits would do: When poor people get extra income, they spend it, which means businesses make more sales, which in turn gives businesses an incentive to hire more workers.”
KeriAnn Wells on May 21, 2014 at 14:45:22
“Dems and Obama have introduced jobs bills - Repubs vote no.”
“I get what you were getting at, but Hansen gets his information from people with PhD's so it really isn't that different. It's ok to not be a PhD as long as the information you are providing is directly from the people who have them or the source is peer reviewed by experts. Otherwise, I wouldn't be able to do my job. The problem is, very little of the anti-climate change information is coming from peer reviewed journals or data has been cherry picked and manipulated (like making misleading graphs....a big favorite). However, people give this "information" the same level of authority that the legitimate sources have. It's a big reason there is so much confusion out there.
I agree with you on one aspect (actually, I don't think we are that far apart on a lot of things judging from the arguments you have made in this thread), it is just as bad to provide misleading information on the other side as well. I actually think it undermines a lot more than just the argument for climate change when that is done. If the data is just presented as is, in a manner that is easily understandable then exaggerating and misleading people isn't necessary. The data will speak for itself.”
“This is almost exactly what I've been doing. In my experience, kids usually don't start to change their views until about two or three years after they've taken my class. People tend to hold onto what they learned first longer and nobody likes to admit they were "wrong", at least not right away. They have to get old enough, and smart enough, to look at the data themselves and change their opinions then. All I do is try to present the information as accurately as I can and make sure they know it before they leave. What they do with it is up to them. Hopefully they choose to be rational (something else I prioritize).”
Your assertion about the temperature is just flat out wrong. Here's a clue, listen to the people with PhD's in climatology and have earned the right for their opinion to matter, not the TV media personalities and people with degrees in economics. Expertise is earned, not given.”
chemguy on May 20, 2014 at 18:54:01
“Point of order: James Hansen does NOT have a PhD in climatology.”
Sean Cash on May 20, 2014 at 17:34:06
“You may want to look at the climate models .. there are close to 100, all wrong ..
“Unless Fran has a PhD in climatology and is a published researcher, his opinion doesn't count as a "legitimate scientific" source. I thought that's what we were talking about.”
chemguy on May 20, 2014 at 14:22:45
“A discussion on legitimate science would be great. But your job, as a science educator, should be to correct the unscientific claims of climate alarmists (such as Fran) just as enthusiastically as you correct the unscientific claims of climate change deniers. Otherwise your just another politically biased hack.”
We’re in the midst of the Earth’s sixth mass extinction crisis. Harvard biologist E. O. Wilson estimates that 30,000 species per year (or three species per hour) are being driven to extinction. Compare this to the natural background rate of one extinction per million species per year, and you can see why scientists refer to it as a crisis unparalleled in human history.
The current mass extinction differs from all others in being driven by a single species rather than a planetary or galactic physical process. When the human race — Homo sapiens sapiens — migrated out of Africa to the Middle East 90,000 years ago, to Europe and Australia 40,000 years ago, to North America 12,500 years ago, and to the Caribbean 8,000 years ago, waves of extinction soon followed. The colonization-followed-by-extinction pattern can be seen as recently as 2,000 years ago, when humans colonized Madagascar and quickly drove elephant birds, hippos, and large lemurs extinct. .”
chemguy on May 20, 2014 at 13:30:40
“That's exactly what Fran said two comments ago in this thread. Quote: "Doubling down on earth science is necessary if we want humans to survive. "”
“I just redid a lesson on climate change in my Biology class. The nonverbals I was getting from my students tells me I need to spend A LOT more time on this. I just wish I had more time to deprogram (unfortunately, I have to choose to deprogram on this or on evolution. I don't have time for both).”
bigtop1804 on May 23, 2014 at 18:37:26
“Deprograming...hmm. Sounds suspiciously akin to the re-education camps in Nazi Germany, Russia, north Korea and North Vietnam back in the day. This is the state of our education system at the moment. No discourse ...just reprograming. Pitiful Matt...pitiful”
ochaye on May 21, 2014 at 18:15:31
“Funny (for me), but I was talking to a friend today about what we believed to be the 2 major intellectual wrongs of the day and they turned out to be climate change and evolution. Go figger?! Oh, my friend's a teacher.
Anyways, we talked about teaching evolution in terms of carbon-producer species. We were drinking, but fervently believe someone else should evaluate this approach.
jdogmyers4 on May 20, 2014 at 20:04:49
“I thought your job is to teach the curriculum not to deprogram or program any students? progressives like you are the problem with our youth's eduction today, way to much indoctrination into your beliefs and way to little time doing your job teaching these students something that will be of use to them in their adult lifes.”
Jarath Hemphill on May 20, 2014 at 19:17:11
“Keep up the good fight! F&F”
iaov on May 20, 2014 at 17:55:31
“Good luck to you sir. I fan all science teachers! F&F!!”
WthyrBendragon on May 20, 2014 at 15:52:33
“Pick up on the incremental nature of change and you can tie into both of them. Homo Sapiens Sapiens did not just appear one day as a physiologically and genetically identifiable different species. Global ambient temperature did not just increase 2°C in a few days, weeks, months or years. These are the result of accumulated change in a living system.”
Maezeppa on May 20, 2014 at 15:42:49
“I agree time and resources are limited. That said, maybe think about where the two intersect. Talk about how what physical changes we might expect nature to select for in species populations. (hint - evolution fails most of the time and extinction is the result). When we look at how evolution only succeeds when changes are gradual enough that a species can adapt to them, we see that climate change with its rapid alteration leads to monoculture and a low amount of genetic variation in turn deprives populations of much potential to adapt.”
Sean Cash on May 20, 2014 at 13:59:22
“Perhaps you can start explaining to them why settled science has 75+ different models.. or why every one has been wrong so far .. or why there has been no warming for almost 2 decades...
or maybe you shouldn't be teaching kids..”
maggiee on May 20, 2014 at 13:34:25
“Why don't you kill two birds with one stone and talk about how the earliest organisms on earth changed the climate and the atmosphere and later organisms evolved to survive on the changed earth? Seems like the big denier screed is that one species could never change the make-up of the atmosphere so much it changes the climate.”
fozzi58 on May 20, 2014 at 11:24:15
“No - don't save them! Less competition for those of us raising our children in reality!”
chemguy on May 20, 2014 at 11:23:33
“Seems like a waste of class time, like teaching kids not to hunt dodos. We're already past the tipping point. By the time your students are old enough to be decision makers, it will be far too late for action.”
itcounts on May 20, 2014 at 11:23:30
“Change the argument.
The ocean is dying and a sixth grader can tell you what happens next.
Our air is now so bad, breathing it is the same as smoking a pack of cigarettes a day without lighting up.”
Paul Rizzo on May 20, 2014 at 11:15:51
“No problem they will just fail out when they goto college and cannot pass any courses then get a major everyone else has that does not involve science then magically wonder why they cannot get any high paying jobs.”