“"It all depends on whether or not elephants actually experience emotions." Why is this even a question in people's minds? Are there actually people who think that elephants are just 'dumb animals'? The poor baby's mother is probably insane because of being in a zoo in the first place. This is all because of us.”
A Regular on Sep 16, 2013 at 04:14:28
“If this mother elephant (or it's parents) wound up in a zoo, it's because they were taken out of an environment where they'd wound up barbequed for food where they were at. Considering that, this baby would've never been born otherwise in the wild. "Being in the zoo in the first place" statements come from those who know nothing about wildlife preservation.”
robertshaw on Sep 16, 2013 at 02:49:20
“Animals reject their new calves all the time in the wild.”
I suppose it's just that I feel bad for them that that special moment happened in as unnatural an environment as that instead of the ideal - in the wild. Obviously not realistic now, but I regretted it.”
“Not trying to be negative, but I couldn't help but think of that cold, sterile, unnatural environment. All cold steel and concrete. It's a shame.”
MadLori on Aug 24, 2013 at 23:41:15
“Most zoos have natural habitats which the animals live in most of the time, but they must all have some off-exhibit space for medical/maintenance/procedures like this and those spaces must be cleanable, hence the concrete.”
newsketeer on Aug 19, 2013 at 07:28:16
“I noticed that, too. I wonder if the zoo keepers under estimate the importance of a more naturalistic environment, and dirt. Asian people are preoccupied with sterility, and it negatively affects their ability to fight infections.”
“Yes I have, and as I understand it, the problem is simple: If you have these loads of unwanted animals needing homes, and not enough adopters or rescuers or funding or resources to keep caring for them... What to do?
Either way, we can't completely ignore all the good they do. One of the problems with an organisation like this that gets as big and famous as Peta, is that they become a target for criticism, and it's unfortunately human nature that we look for the bad instead of balancing it against the good. We want to judge in a split-second instead of trying first to be more informed on all aspects. Nobody is perfect. I just feel that we're too quick to condemn. We need to look at the bigger picture and try to imagine what it would be like to "be in Peta's shoes". I imagine there's a lot they would like to be able to do differently if they could, and they're doing the best they can right now.
If we have an issue with anything, we need to offer up for solutions, instead of simply criticising. That gets us nowhere.
I know that Peta's work was instrumental in my decision to go plant-based because of their great hidden camera footage, amongst others.
In the long run they're making a huge positive difference and I feel that we should keep all of that in mind before writing them off.
“I bet all of you people criticising Peta have never bothered to actually try to find out what their long-term goal is and what the tried-and-tested methodology is. If what they're doing WORKS and more people are waking up to the consequences of their lifestyle choices and are moving away from animal products, then GO PETA!”
Kosh 2012 on Aug 18, 2013 at 12:25:35
“It seems one of their long-term goals is alienating feminists and other progressive social movements -- which would be the most fertile ground for the AR message.”
groucho42 on Aug 18, 2013 at 09:59:37
“Their long term goal is ignorance. They're extremists, and just as all extremists everywhere on the political spectrum, they take a theory and claim that it can work in the real world though all evidence is to the contrary.
It's quite clear that we can eat less meat, treat animals better and do many of the other things that many organizations, not just PETA, support. However, it takes a certain level of spoiled, blinded denial to think that absolutes work in the world.”
“Wonderful experience on the face of it, but it very likely doesn't bode well for humans or the sealions. If this is happening more often, it will lead to trouble for the poor aniimals.”
bobjameswi on Jun 7, 2013 at 09:57:08
“Might be a problem for humans, too. That pup that hitches a ride on a kayak might not understand what the fuss is all about when he grows up to 100+ pounds and tries the same thing to a different kayak.”
“Though at the end she does advise us to eat 'real' food.”
hp blogger Melody Breyer-Grell on Aug 18, 2013 at 14:48:19
“Yes she does...I have just decided to do away with any artificial sweeteners today..ouch! berries are so tart to one who is not used to them and expensive! Have to see how much frozen ones cost. Can't eat sweeter fruits, blood sugar can't take it. That is why it is such a complicated issue for some and it was totally compounded by those money hungry diet centers..”
“Thanks for that. I've checked it out, and I stand corrected. I had assumed it was for the same reason as rhino horn. In a way this is even worse to me. Our elephants are being murdered to extinction for "art"?”
“"3rd world people are so cruel"? This is a symptom of the cause. The cause is brainless backward Chinese people who believe that the ivory tusks have some magical medicinal value and will offer stupid amounts of money to any desperate people who will slaughter the elephants. Remove the cause, and the symptoms go as well. How to remove, I don't know. Perhaps education...”
SusanElizabeth1949 on Jan 8, 2013 at 16:00:26
“Ivory isn't used in medicines, they carve it -- sometimes carving a huge tusk into a village, complete with people, houses gardens the works. I remember seeing such a carving as a little girl in a window in San Francisco's China Town. BTW this was in the early 1950s.”
“I agree with the sentiment, but It's far too controlling in my opinion. The iPhone has a great many apps and functions to enjoy that have nothing to do with communication. I feel it's being wasted when he's forced to hand his device in at 7:30pm. A lesser device would suffice in this case.”