“Thank you - excellent article. I find myself imagining that the experience is similar to losing your religion. Do you still have friends who speak with you or spend time with you? Is there an ostracism involved in leaving?
Wall Street is the Vatican of capitalism. ... tough place to leave (it is a bit funny that one of the things you give up is real sex - just like the priests and nuns - if only because you have time for so little).”
“It's time to start hacking the Republicans - make up the most outrageous lie you can think of and post it on a centrist or right wing site. Don't be shy - start by saying you're conservative but you've heard something that really worries you .... call them the Taliban in suits, closet sado-masochists, industry pimps - the more extreme the better. Say your pastor told you about this. Say your Christian (make sure you capitalize the C) beliefs make this very hard to say but the Lord requires you to call out sin when you see it. Remember the goal is to lie through your teeth and if challenged lie more ....Repeat as often as you are willing or able ... something will catch on if we're persistent.”
“Romney's problem is that his version of fairness means he gets to play keepsies - even if the deck was stacked against those who suffered directly from his business deals. It's really all about a denigration of the value of labor, of the work that most of us contribute daily to the businesses and industries and communities we work in.
Talk about stealing from the kids - the rules of the system he so gleefully participated in stole from those powerless to influence the game.”
“As much as I'd like to write this off as the usual ranting from the radical right wing - lies told repeatedly over time poison our ability as a democratic society to distinguish fact from fiction. Lies told by officials in powerful positions have the added impact of being evaluated as being potentially true because of the symbolic power of the position. The lack of any real consequences for such spouting cedes the game to radical right wing because of their exposure level in media (i.e. Issa's comments would mean little if relegated to a local paper).
On the cynical side, an effective game plan for the left/progressive wing would be to abandon any notion of objectivity and fact and develop a coherent _and false_ story that vilifies using the most extreme examples available anyone Republican or Conservative. This story would be sold at every opportunity possible in all available media outlets. Some possible story lines could include "Republicans model fascist propaganda", "Stalin would have loved the Koch Brothers", "Romney wants to poison your local water", "Romney will fill DC with Mormons and wants to make polygamy legal" etc. etc. The point is not truth but ugly insinuations that cannot be readily disproved - but can be widely spouted and distributed ....”
mwsomerset on Apr 24, 2012 at 20:40:48
“The problem with doing that is...the people the President wants to vote for him,moderate independents, are smarter than that....that tactic really only works for the sheep on the right. I agree we should be fighting fire with fire however.”
“Heresies are only possible when there are active attempts to control belief and practice. Why not encourage those who are interested to choose from a pot-pourri? Whether someone appreciates buffets and pot-lucks better vs. a three or four course meal seems more related to the personality of the person than to the nutritional value of the food ....
Condemn not the buffet partakers, saith the Lord ....”
“You're absolutely right - from your perspective of being in some way "forced" to support others through taxes, and thus any funds supporting activities such as "education" is really "gifting" those people - I'd be enraged too.
The problem is, that's never where the argument for education came from. Very little of the cost of education is for "gifts" for people. We all, through the social contract that we call government, contribute through our taxes for the common good. That good is something you share in every day - in the teachers who taught you and your children, in the healthcare providers who have mastered complex sciences and take care of you when you are ill, in the lawyers, prosecutors, investigators and police who make our system of justice meaningful ....so from my perspective (I appreciate that it's not yours) these are investments for my future - so that MY doctor is ready when I need him or her ...”
jgrace2426 on Apr 20, 2012 at 10:48:52
“Unfortunately through your rose colored glasses, you are not being fair and equal with those who do not have the intellectual performance to get through college. What do you do to be fair to them in the area of redistribution of taxes so they get a fair share? After all, a college student who you may want to forgive their student loan costs the taxpayers perhaps as much as $100,000. Do you, in your wanting to be fair, offer those who do not go to college the same $100,000 in the form of a non-payback grant or something? After all, shouldn't we be equal and fair to everyone? Surely those 53% who pay the taxes would want everyone to be equal and fair, right?”
Conservative thinking as a definition is problematic. I suspect progressives/liberals engage in conservative thinking when stressed or overwhelmed. The study really seems to underline the idea that stress reduces the ability to consider alternatives or new information.
Modern conservative thought is actually quite radical and proposes solutions that undercut many years of experience and data. The unholy combination of radicals who have co-opted the conservative movement and its use of language with stressed (however you define that) citizens = the modern Republican party. One should, in fact, strike conservatism from the description of the Republican party as they are only conservative in the sense that fear is used to motivate their party members.”
Grimmsd on Apr 9, 2012 at 16:26:19
“The term was used in the abstract. You would have to read the study to determine what terminology was used there. You can't discount a theory by just countering the abstract. Put some effort into it and criticize the study, not the simplified version.”
“Sorry, I don't buy that. As many conservative pundits often say "you can live somewhere else if you don't like it here" - paying taxes is part of our "social" contract with each other. It's more egalitarian and doesn't grant one group power over another as "charity" does. You benefit from streets, police, emergency rooms and EMS systems, courts, clean water, etc etc.. So unless you've figured out how not to take advantage of those - you're stealing from the rest of us if you don't buy into the notion of our mutual "social" contract.”
“The depth of venom and anger directed at articles like this continually impresses me. It also makes me incredibly sad. Conservatism in its best sense always seemed to be about building community, supporting family, and being generous and caring to those in need. It used to include pot luck country, work raffles and tithing at church.
But instead we get snarling, angry, and callous comments - from commenters who must, from their tone and word choice, see the world and correspondingly their responsibility for others in it, as going little further than their front porch.
This is really the heartlessness and emptiness at the core of Randian thought - we're all snarling dogs fighting over the bodies of our own neighbors and community members.”
ReadThomasSowell on Apr 6, 2012 at 23:44:50
“You're COMPLETELY wrong. We know that there's a big difference between the role of SOCIETY and GOVERNMENT. We advocate for voluntary charity...you guys advocate for coercive "charity" (theft). THAT is the root of our problem w/ this story.”
“That's quite a statement - the posturing is actually on the part of the other party who previously supported the basic ideas.”
ThatsTheTheWayItIs on Mar 22, 2012 at 11:04:10
“No, Obama and the Dems are doing the same. Bringing bills to the floor that have no chance of passage, just trying to force Repubs to vote on them. And Obama just raised tariffs on Chinese solar panels a meaningless amount. A token gesture to the anti-China crowd.
Up until a few months ago, Obama was still working to pass bills like extending the payroll tax cut. There is none of that now, nothing is being done that will take effect this year.”
“Are there any doctors out there who find this kind of thing indefensible? We need a civil revolt among healthcare providers telling legislators to lay off their private relationships with patients. What I as a healthcare provider discuss with you as the patient is entirely our business. I certainly could be sued if I don't follow general standards of care but that still is between me and the patient and is not related to our right to freedom of speech and unwarranted intrusion in our private interactions.”
“Can these practices really be owned? I am smiling loudly as I imagine someone holding on to yoga ... wait here it is, no this is what it is, don't tell ME what it is .... this is a good Zen koan!
Yes, of course it is Hindu and yes of course it is a new agey, self-appropriated modern American health fad .... we are great imitators of each other! And we also love being special.
I think we must be the only beings on the planet who argue about who gets to think what. That is truly Divine Silliness.”
henriette and hube on Mar 20, 2012 at 13:38:59
“A better Zen koan might be "who" is doing yoga though don't think about this koan while standing on your head.”
FutureLogic on Mar 19, 2012 at 18:41:51
“Can these practices really be owned?
Can't be. Sanatana Dharma is eternal as Yoga is. Spread Dharma, Spread Yoga. But just don't say "Christian" Yoga, "Sexy, Stlyish" Yoga and such gibbersih without connecting to it's origins. Don't try to whitewash history and origins. Don't we know how "Christmas" was appropriated from pagans and pagans exterminated? Don't we know Columbus did not "discover" America? Don't we know there were 100 million Native Americans who were exterminated after "thanksgiving"?”
“Seems to me we're confused in this nation about liberty. Isn't this really about formalizing serfhood? Employers are gaining a whole range of rights in this battle - including being able to decide what is moral for anyone they deign to hire. Doesn't liberty start with each one of us and not "the corporation" or "the boss"?
I am just incredibly impressed by the willingness of Republicans to sign away their own individual rights in these games.”
“The GOP in general conflates wealth with moral standing. If you're not wealthy, it's because you lack the moral fiber to become so - your lack of wealth suggests inferiority/sub-moral character/etc.. Wealthy people thus do what they do such as hide money in non-taxable accounts overseas because they lack investment incentives (read moral reasons) for investing/paying taxes etc. Because the less wealthy are thus inherently less moral, decisions such as giving up a house in foreclosure, or wanting the wealthy to pay more (i.e. repeal the Bush tax cuts) to support the commonweal is immoral.
It's a great underlying story that drives people with a strong orientation to moral behavior to support positions that are clearly not in their best interests.”
MuckyPup on Mar 5, 2012 at 21:40:26
“I can only say their morals do not in any way coincide with mine. I find it especially scary that they defend their "wealth morals" with their faith.”
“I'm a bit confused - are you for or against investing in the stock market?
I agree with the high tech casino notion - but if, as your comments seem to suggest, you are conservative relying on the casino is exactly what is/has been proposed as the appropriate solution for any/all societal needs. GWB's ownership society saw us all happily throwing our dollars on the craps table.”
“Narcissists like Rush feed on attention. Rush's popularity is directly related to how upset progressives get at what he says. He is a vampire in the original sense, feeding when allowed into the room....no attention/permission, no vampires.”
“Huffpo - just say no to Bimbaugh! This is not news. Gaseous emissions maybe, decomposition byproducts possibly - but news? This is not reportage! Are you seriously considering the National Enquirer as your next step up? Just say no! Your mom and dad will be proud! "Our daughters are reporters! We're so excited!" Imagine the family dinners. Imagine how enjoyable it will be to lord it over your lesser siblings.
Instead there's a noxious odor coming from under the table somewhere - meaning unless you have a convenient dog to blame - well you get my drift ....”