GZLives's Comments (356)

“I wonder what anyone would do if half their land was suddenly taken from them. The Palestinians had been living peacefully on the land for hundreds of years and then the League of Nations decides to give half of it to the Jews. Of course, this half is now 100% and the israelis have not even thought about giving back more than 22%. Disgusting acts of theft, occupation and oppression. How greedy can they get?

Second, the Palestinians can't and don't start wars. They are not capable. They have no army or weapons etc. In 1948, 5 Arab nations attacked the Jews AFTER the Deir Yassin massacre. The Palestinians were too busy fleeing from the rampaging Jewish brigades. In 1967 israel attacked Egypt and Syria. The Palestinians don't have tanks and airplanes. In 2005 israel attacked Lebanon and in 2007 brutally attacked Gaza. israel does all the attacking.”

“A rather disingenuous interpretation of history. Is that what your momma told you?”

“If you hadn't ethnically cleansed millions of people of out of their homes for the sole crime of not being Jewish, then these people would not be suffocating in Gaza and rightfully resisting your thuggish occupation of their lands.”

“No Israel does not SPEAK in genocidal terms - it ACTS like that.”

“"Two banks has the Jordan; this one's ours, the other too."”

“Look at the Likud charter and you will find essentially the same content but in an Israeli version. This is all posturing by both sides.”

“The thing worse than rebellion is the thing that causes rebellion.
Frederick Douglass”

“And todayto prove my point - which the usual suspects here will choose to ignore anyway is

"In a long, defiant speech on Monday afternoon, Hamas Prime Minister Ismail Haniyeh said that gaining control of the Gaza Strip was "just a step toward liberating all of Palestine."
"This movement liberated the Gaza Strip with the help of the militant factions," said Haniyeh, referring to terrorist groups operating under the umbrella of Palestinian resistance.
"Brothers and sisters, we will not be satisfied with Gaza," he declared. "Hamas looks toward the whole of Palestine."

http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1260447436498&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowF

"All of Palestine" of course refers to all of Israel”

““If I were an Arab leader, I would never sign an agreement with Israel. It is normal; we have taken their country. It is true God promised it to us, but how could that interest them? Our God is not theirs. There has been Anti - Semitism, the Nazis, Hitler, Auschwitz, but was that their fault? They see but one thing: we have come and we have stolen their country. Why would they accept that?”

David Ben-Gurion”

“For years it was 'They must recognize Israel's right to exist'

They did so.

Overnight we got 'They must recognize Israel as the Jewish homeland'

Did you not think anyone would notice what the Israel state is up to there? If they did that then the day after it would be 'They must recognize Israel's right to exist as the Jewish homeland and do so while standing on one leg'. There is no interest and never has been on the part of the Israeli state in peace.”

“For the same reason 50,000 Americans will show up in D.C. to protest against their own self interests? Or for the same reason self-proclaimed Pro-Lifers commit murder and/or selfishly disregard living human beings in peril? Or perhaps for the same reason a thousand divorcees protest gay marriage.

It could be a protest against a Danish cartoon has less chance of life and death repercussions than a political and/or religious one. Duh?”

“Created? No. We funded the mujahid through Pakistan throughout the '80s. The Paks supported the more extreme Islamic factions (because they were more easily controlled at the time) at the expense of the more moderate or traditional (relatively) groups. Osama Bin Laden was a bit player in Peshawar for most of this time period. His greatest contribution was in providing financial support from the Gulf states. He fot his credibilty from the jihad, but wasn't considered a serious fighter by the afghan Mujahid. The Taliban formed later, a few years after US dollars had ceased to flow into Afghanistan. But Pakistani and Saudi money didn't.
And I don't know about "grooming", but what training the the Afghans recieved was from the Pak MIL and other volunteers, mostly Arab.
And of course she ignores the active, direct and obvious terrorist funding, organization, and training conducted by the peaceful government of Iran.”

“Oh, lookit - we found someone who doesn't know this connection btwn the US and the Jihadists. Read, sir: http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/CHO109C.html

In 1979 "the largest covert operation in the history of the CIA" was launched in response to the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan in support of the pro-Communist government of Babrak Kamal:

With the active encouragement of the CIA and Pakistan's ISI [Inter Services Intelligence], who wanted to turn the Afghan jihad into a global war waged by all Muslim states against the Soviet Union, some 35,000 Muslim radicals from 40 Islamic countries joined Afghanistan's fight between 1982 and 1992. Eventually more than 100,000 foreign Muslim radicals were directly influenced by the Afghan jihad.

The Islamic "jihad" was supported by the United States and Saudi Arabia with a significant part of the funding generated from the Golden Crescent drug trade:

In March 1985, President Reagan signed National Security Decision Directive 166,...[which] authorize[d] stepped-up covert military aid to the mujahideen...The new covert U.S. assistance began with a dramatic increase in arms supplies -- a steady rise to 65,000 tons annually by 1987, ... as well as a "ceaseless stream" of CIA and Pentagon specialists who traveled to the secret headquarters of Pakistan's ISI on the main road near Rawalpindi, Pakistan. There the CIA specialists met with Pakistani intelligence officers to help plan operations for the Afghan rebels.

These "rebels" included one Osama Bin Laden.”

“We trained them to fight the Russians. Good movie, a little squishy on details of course but Charlie Wilson's war pretty much sums it up. We armed them with billions of dollars worth of weapons, trained them and then forgot them as soon as the Russians were defeated. More, of course, we supported the puppet Sha of Iran leading to the complete severing of diplomatic ties in Iran when they revolted against our puppet. We trained and armed Sadaam showing him how to make biological weapons so that he could fight iran and beat them, which he did. The fact that he then turned on us is basically short sighted American thinking and planning . The author above is completely right. And just for the record, name three.”

“I believe she is talking about Bush sr when he suppported Bin Ladin and the taliban when it was fighting russian troops in afganistan or maybe when we supported Saddam Husein while he was fighting the Kurds or the Iranians or when we support The egyptian president when he fights his own people, you know , like that kind of creating and training jihadists”

“excellent post.”

“The UN and the International Court of Justice (amongst others) refer to it at the Occupied Palestinian Territories and that's how I will too.

The naming of this region has been examined by the International Court and they rejected the Israeli disputation of the the term Occupied Palestinian Territories.

So Occupied Palestinian Territories, it is.”

“As I said U.S. naive men and women are convinced by politicians and recruiters that they are fighting for god and country. Terrorists are convinced by their elders to fight for Allah. The difference?”

“Volunteer it is but many young men and women join out of desperation--they cannot afford to go to college, can't get a job that pays enough to keep them (and their families if they have dependents) off the streets or they just can't get a job at all.”

“No but they join under the assumption that what they are asked to fight for is for the good of us all. Iraq was NOT the case. I see what the first poster was saying...”

“It would be fair for the indigenous Jews of Hebron and their actual descendents to be allowed to resettle in Hebron, just as it would be fair for the much larger number of Palestinians and their descendents who were ethnically cleansed 1948 and 1949 to resettle in Israel. However, it is not fair for Jews who come from all over the world to steal Palestinian land in the West Bank and settle their at the expense of the indigenous Palestinians”

“When, two thousand years ago? I don't know where you live; but, I can guarantee you some other nation lived at that spot. You should find their ancestor and turn your home to them.”

“Those Jews, and their direct descendents who were forced to leave Hebron should be entitled to return. But that right should not extend to the tens of thousands of illegal settlers that have no connection to the West Bank other than a belief they have the right to ethnically cleanse Palestinians from their homeland. And if the Jews who were displaced from Hebron have the right of return so should the hundreds of thousands of Palestinians who were ethnically cleansed from what is now Israel also have the right of return.”

“GZLives,
Under a piece that has Israel/Palestinian/HRW as its subject, what might be reasonable to focus on?
China?
Somalia?
ANY place other than Israel?

Yes, let's discuss the HRW activity, or even its lack of activity, anywhere OTHER than Israel.

Happy now GZLives?”

“Well, I've certainly caught on to your complete disregard for Palestinian life. And you're depressingly mistaken; most people are on to the free pass the US has given Israel for almost a century. The party's coming to an end. Israel might as well go for the shameless land grab now.”

“So far all criticism of Human Rights Watch and the alleged connection to Saudi Arabia has come almost exclusively from Zionist sources. Just visiting Saudi Arabia is not a problem. The officials of Human Rights Watch visits many countries that are guilty of violating international law including The United States. Human Rights Watch has certainly issued reports critical of Arab countries including Saudi Arabia as well as criticizing Israel. The attack on Human Rights Watch by Bernstein and other pro-Israeli sources smells of a classic Ad Hominem attack, and appears to be part of an attempt to discredit any human rights organizations that dares to criticize Israel. The emphasis of every such article I read is to smear the human rights group, not offer fact based rebuttals of the reports the various human rights groups have prepared.

There is enough evidence from multiple sources, including Israeli sources to make it obvious, that Israel has repeated violated human rights in the long occupation of the West Bank and Gaza and the military incursions into both areas of occupied Palestine. It is time for those violations to end and for the Israeli perpetrators to be brought to justice.”