“"a$ $inine"?! There's just no end to the ad hominem attacks from Team Knox.
Stay-at-Home-Stacey is showing herself to be no better than kcmookie or billy.
I wonder if ThomasY can tell us whether driving "guilters" away from comment sections with verbal abuse is part of the Team Knox playbook on Fisher's website?
It"s hard to conclude otherwise.”
homeking40 on Mar 12, 2012 at 00:43:30
“Any controversy is good when a book is coming out-full of lies or not...”
ThomasY on Mar 11, 2012 at 18:28:46
“Of course this is a concerted effort to muzzle those who remain skeptical down.
If you have been following the case since 2007, you might have been reading perugiashock, a blog maintained by Frank Sfarzo, and Italian woman at the table, a blog maintained by Candace Dempsey. Verbal attacks and stalking have been issues with Knox supporters since the early beginnings.
They have been revealing identities from those publishing critical comments, with details about where they live and where their family members live.
These attacks were often so personal, that I have a very hard time to believe the Melloxes weren't somehow directly involved.”
Stacyhs on Mar 11, 2012 at 14:29:13
“It IS an A$$ININE comment, G. Why do you feel the need to defend it? Do you agree that the EXTENT of police "punching and kicking" a suspect is relevant?
As for verbal abuse, you are the pot calling the kettle black.
Why the need to comment on my being at home? Is it somehow wrong for someone to be retired? Or, perhaps, it it just your way of not answering my questions?”
“The prosecution's appeal is over 100 pages long, IIRC.
It doesn't take that many pages to write "that dog won't hunt", even when it's translated into Italian.”
jackbutler5555 on Mar 11, 2012 at 08:30:04
“What part of those hundred pages impressed you the most?”
ZEB on Mar 11, 2012 at 01:16:07
“Yes and the Hellman is ony 140 pages long. so we can see these 114 pages by the prosecution is just like your bible the massei report, will go the same way into the dustbin of time.”
BIllyDelyon on Mar 11, 2012 at 00:52:22
“Yeah, he'll undoubtedly tie the whole Court of Cassation to the Order of the Red Rose once they back Hellmann's ruling...
It'll be classic...”
Stacyhs on Mar 10, 2012 at 21:05:46
“I wonder if Mignini will accuse the Court of Cassation of being involved in a satanic plot when they rule against him. More likely, he'll sue them.”
BIllyDelyon on Mar 10, 2012 at 20:28:47
“Mercy, what did you expect him to do? His office was shamed in front of a world stage, Umbria WAS the laughing stock of the world...And you damn well Mignini's got his paws all over this appeal, I'm sure that has something to so with how many pages there are...
Have you even bothered to read the Hellmann Zennati report? There is no way there's is 100 pages of fock ups in that report... Its just not possible if you've read it...
All that's going to happen with the CofC is they are going to uphold the appeal verdict...”
“And by "known evidence" you are, of course, referring to the garbage manufactured by Knox's pricey PR people and pushed via their faux 'grassroots' websites and ridiculous (if not slanderous) press releases.
I'm looking to have a discussion with someone that can approach the issues without sticking to an agenda.”
Dale McLerran on Mar 12, 2012 at 15:42:57
“No, you are looking for people to confirm for you your nutty theories. When you are confronted by facts that contradict your theories, you just move on to even nuttier theories.
I ceded that you could score a point for the possibility that Amanda Knox and Raffaele Sollecito might have worn hats and gloves that would have prevented hair and fingerprint evidence - if we accepted pure conjecture. I rebutted with "But let's assume that Amanda and Raffaele were in Meredith's room actively involved in the murder. Rudy left his bloody prints all over the house. Why NO bloody prints from either Amanda or Raffaele?" You have not responded to that!
You also questioned why Rudy would have worn gloves when breaking in through Filomena's bedroom window and then later taken off the gloves. Again, I provided justification from know facts (Rudy left a load in the toilet. He would not have worn gloves to clean his backside.) Again, no response from you.
All you do is raise red herrings and then abandon a thread when you can no longer defend your "theories". It's about time to "man up" and defend your positions or admit that you are not able to defend them.”
Katody Matrass on Mar 11, 2012 at 14:59:49
“No, I'm talking about what was presented in court and is reflected in court documents. Start basing your scenarios on it and not on hate site rumours, falsehoods and your imagination.”
“That remains to be seen: The prosecution has filed an appeal (Hellmann's judgment is deeply flawed) and it's now up to the Italian Supreme Court.”
BIllyDelyon on Mar 10, 2012 at 19:30:14
“Oh mercy, how is it "Deeply Flawed"?
All they can rule on is "Procedure", from what I've read in Italian newspapers, about Galadis appeal, my italian buddy told me, "that dog won't hunt", doesn't sound good for Gladi and his boy Mignini...”
jackbutler5555 on Mar 10, 2012 at 19:10:05
“Would you select the deepest flaw and explain it to me. I believe that I have kept up on TJMK on the prosecution's appeal and I haven't found anything convincing yet.”
Stacyhs on Mar 10, 2012 at 19:10:01
“"Hellmann's judgment is deeply flawed"
Uh huh...according to the man who makes up implausible scenarios based on no supporting evidence and continues to state as fact things that have been totally disproved like "Amanda's blood footprints".”
Katody Matrass on Mar 10, 2012 at 18:55:39
“Well, I've read Hellmann's motivation a few times and already skimmed through all the 10 points of Galati's appeal brief. Friendly advice - don't get your hopes and expectations too high.
In the meantime we may continue to discuss your pet theory if you like. A few serious flaws of your scenario were pointed out to you. Could you address them?”
“After watching the Knox Groupies spend 2007-2011 screaming that "there's NO EVIDENCE", it's good to see so many of you starting to engage in a detailed discussion about the DNA traces, blood traces, commingled traces, bloody footprints, LUMINOL traces, incriminating admissions, false accusations, conflicting alibis and outright lies (aka EVIDENCE).”
Stacyhs on Mar 10, 2012 at 20:21:04
“DNA traces: NO DNA of Knox was found in Meredith's bedroom. The small amount of Sollecito on the bra clasp was discredited as being "highly likely due to cross contamination" by the INDEPENDENT experts (you know, ones not answering to Mignini).
Co-mingled traces: NO co-mingled blood of Knox with anyone, including Meredith's. The co-mingled DNA of AK with MK is completely normal for two people living together and sharing a bathroom.
Bloody footprints: NO bloody footprints for AK or RS. ALL their footprints tested negative for blood. Stefanoni's testimony on the stand that they had not been tested for blood was exposed when her own records reveal they had been tested the TMB and tested NEGATIVE.
Luminol traces: ALL luminol revealed prints attributed to RS and AK tested NEGATIVE for blood and for MK's DAN
False allegations: Coerced. By the way, WAS LUMUMBA LYING ABOUT BEING HIT, PUNCHED AND KICKED???
conflicting alibis: Only on the night of Nov 5/6 when RS and AK claim they were coerced. Both quickly recanted and repeated that they were together the night of Nov 1.”
Stacyhs on Mar 10, 2012 at 20:20:29
“Some of your claims:
1.Guede's foot is excluded, according to the prosecution's expert. Not so for Raffaele
The defense expert, Prof Vinci, in a detailed report, completely blew Rinaldi's finding out of the water. Vinci used an advanced forensic tool called crimescope to more accurately measure the foot while Rinaldi did not.The Hellmann court accepted Vinci's opinion that the footprint was not compatible with RS, but it was with RG. Hellmann Report pg 93-100
2. According to court documents, there was a trace of the victim's blood in Filomena's bedroom
The stain you are referring to was not blood. It tested negative for blood. It was almost exclusively MK's DNA with a trace amount of Amanda's.
" “With respect to the Luminol-positive traces found in Romanelli’s room, in Knox’s room and in the corridor, she stated that by analysing the SAL cards "we learn, in contradiction to what was presented in the technical report deposited by the Scientific Police, and also to what was said in Court, that not only was the Luminol test performed on these traces, but also the generic diagnosis for the presence of blood, using tetramethylbenzidine, and this test, gave a negative result on all the items of evidence from which it was possible to obtain a genetic profile" Massei Report pg 256-257”
BIllyDelyon on Mar 10, 2012 at 19:17:55
“1. This was NEVER claimed by the prosecution...
2. This was NEVER testified to in the Trail or Appeal...
3. The forensics experts that testified said NO SUCH thing in or out of court...
4. There is NO WAY they could have, because there was never any test that found Merediths blood mixed with Amanda's...
5. The DNA tests that found mixed traces of DNA found JUST THAT, "DNA", they did not find mixed traces of blood...
6. No other test have made any such determination. The two shared a bathroom, there is NOTHING SURPRISING about Meredith or Amandas DNA being present in the bathroom they shared and in the cottage they shared, guess what G, your and Crimsons guiltbaggerklansman/womens DNA is all over your shared living space, SHOCKER!
That would all be 'bunk' evidence there Gster...”
BIllyDelyon on Mar 10, 2012 at 19:17:10
“After watching the Knox Derangement Syndrome guiltbaggerklan spend the last 2 to 3 years screaming "Look at all this evidence", its sad to see after all that's come out, that they still hold onto their hate of Sollecito and especially Knox and her family, there are no DNA traces of Sollecito or Knox in the small bedroom where they took 400+ DNA evidence samples and Meredith Kercher fought for her life and was brutally raped and murdered in, ZERO DNA in those 400+ DNA evidence samples, the only mixed blood traces are all from Rudy and the victim Meredith, the only "commingled traces" of DNA were in the bathroom Meredith and Knox shared, so, there goes that one, its common sense and also ordinary, that there would be mixed DNA of the two in the sink and the bathroom they shared, this is not a shock to anyone, nor should it be...
There is no "mixed blood" in Filominas room, first of all, lets go with the whole shebang, you GBKers are always claiming "there were 5 places in the cottage where Meredith and Amandas blood was mixed, in the apartment they of course shared"...
Katody Matrass on Mar 10, 2012 at 17:55:46
“The Court's ruling somewhat vindicated all those reasonable voices.
The judges reviewing the case found that there is absence of evidence of guilt and the elements that still stand under scrutiny are all ambiguous and insufficient to form any case of guilt.
Looks like we were right :)”
“A discussion about individual facts turns into a demand for a theory that unites those facts.
I offer such a theory only to be met with a demand to provide the individual facts that began the debate.
A silly, circular game.
Stay at Home Stacy, you're beginning to bore me.
The search for intelligent life among the Groupies goes on...
Is there no one that can persuade me of Knox's "innocence"?! I'm willing to listen!
I hope I can find someone that can do it. It would make the shrill cries and obscene lies spewing from Knox's support group (paid and unpaid) so much easier to take.”
jackbutler5555 on Mar 11, 2012 at 10:15:04
“You do understand, do you not, that the burden of the state is to prove guilt? There is no burden in the justice systems of advanced countries to prove innocence.
So, if you want to play the game in the big leagues, you'll just have to prove there is evidence the accused were in the room in which the murder occurred. So far, no one has been able to do that, according to the appeals verdict which exonerated the accused.
Are you aware that the high court can not overrule evidence decisions made by the appeals court? All they can do is to ascertain whether legal errors have been made of such consequence that the case must be returned to the appeals court for further adjudication. What legal errors were made to justify such decision by the high court? Legal errors.”
BIllyDelyon on Mar 10, 2012 at 23:11:02
“Again, you seem to be getting off on picking on a women, what kind of man get off on that? What kind of a man who's anything of a man, pick on a woman on a discussion page all day?
Here kitty kitty...”
Stacyhs on Mar 10, 2012 at 19:04:50
“"A discussion about individual facts turns into a demand for a theory that unites those facts."
And therein lies your problem. You don't take the known facts/evidence and construct a plausible theory around then. Your theories are based on conjecture unsupported by the evidence and many "I thinks".
The Hellman Zanetti report does base its findings on the evidence. The acquittal verdict is explained by a reasoning and presentation of the evidence. No "I thinks", no "in my opinions", no "probably" or "maybes".
You say "Is there no one that can persuade me of Knox's "innocence"?! I'm willing to listen!" and then immediately contradict yourself by saying "It would make the shrill cries and obscene lies spewing from Knox's support group (paid and unpaid) so much easier to take."
How disingenuous. You are not "willing to listen". You have been given the facts of the case with evidence supported by links to sources and yet you continue to suppose, "think", and conjecture. You continue to claim completely disproven misinformation such as "Meredith's blood found in Filomena's bedroom", "Amanda smoked dope/socialized with Rudy on more than one occassion", "Amanda left bloody footprints",and "Rudy's lust for Amanda"”
Katody Matrass on Mar 10, 2012 at 17:47:50
“You've been shown that your scenario doesn't conform to the known evidence. It seems that you also not understand the need for it to be founded on established facts and to be reasonable, plausible and psychologically and physically viable.
It seems there is disagreement about basic facts. Start basing your theories on facts and we can have a meaningful conversation.”
“Why do you think there's only one "guilter" instead of many?
Do you like to fantasize that there's only one person on the planet that thinks Knox got away with murder?”
BIllyDelyon on Mar 10, 2012 at 17:03:16
“I'm not saying there's only one at all, I just find (and I'm sure I'm not the only one) a very similar posting style shared by a couple different handles...
Same TJMK/PMF.org-.net guiltbagger accusation points, same old long debunked evidence, very similar tired old character assassinations, its all just very much, the same...
Also, that they would ONLY post in Knox Article Discussions and not any other subjects on Huffington Post, 850+ (a couple in the 1,200 post all in Knox) post range, only in Knox Article discussions, that p@l is either a bunch of obsessed people suffering from Knox Derangement Syndrome to the extreme, or a couple switching handles every couple of days, I think its more likely the latter, which imo is fricken scary obsessed... To direct that much hate at one person and her family is to me MIND boggling and extreme...Hence why I call you all guiltbaggers, very comparable to the fading teabaggers, stubborn, twisted logic, lack of reason, no common sense, a lack of respect for innocence, true innocence, not normal or good buddie...”
“I think Raffaele left after starting his manga episode. Why do you presume he stuck around until it was finished?!”
Stacyhs on Mar 11, 2012 at 19:25:12
“Katody, you're making too much sense.
Since AK was planning on going to work that night, it wasn't until 8:40ish that she even knew she had the night off, so any pre-planning of the "sex orgy gone wrong" is illogical. Still, as you say, she was able to get together two caps, 2 pairs of gloves, run accidentally into Guede (since no email, phone call or text between them exists), talk him AND RS into having a sex orgy and get over to the cottage in 20 minutes. Don't forget she also had to get the knife from the apt. kitchen...the one that wasn't capable of making 2 of the 3 most serious wounds and that she returned to the kitchen later instead of disposing of it.
These scenarios of theirs are so ridiculous but they cling to them anyway rather than admit they have been wrong.”
Katody Matrass on Mar 11, 2012 at 15:12:05
“Because leaving a video playing on your laptop and going out doesn't make much sense. Of course you need to put together a lot of such strained assumptions to prop up your scenario.
For example a witness places Amanda at Raffaele's flat at 20:40, behaving completely normal, spending time with her boyfriend. Yet in your scenario in next 15 minutes she changes into ski mask, swimming cap and gloves, runs outside, meets Guede by chance, talks him into raping her friend, gets drugged beyond any control on some mysterious narcotics, lets Guede use the toilet and then murders her friend as soon as she gets home. Doesn't make any sense to me.
BTW wasn't Raffaele also helping in your initial theory? Now he is starting an anime clip on his laptop on 21:26 instead? You need it to get it straight.”
“The statements RS allegedly made to AK about his drug abuse may have been excluded from court on the ground that they amounted to hearsay.
You're playing games when you attempt to deny that Rudy was smitten with Amanda and, as a result, eager to impress her. Why bother?”
BIllyDelyon on Mar 10, 2012 at 22:57:41
“You're playing games when you attempt to deny that Rudy was probably about as important as a fleck dust Knox brushes off her shoulder don't you? Why bother?”
Stacyhs on Mar 10, 2012 at 19:04:00
“Wow, so now we have "allegedly made" and "may have been" and "hearsay"?
Please don't EVER sit on a jury. Hard evidence means nothing to you but innuendo, hearsay, and allegations mean everything.”
Katody Matrass on Mar 10, 2012 at 17:10:02
“So, everything you're basing upon is hearsay and imaginations.
You're making up stuff you cannot support with any sources (your favourite hate site is not a reliable source, sorry, court documents are). Am I right?
Give me some mention about the combat knife, the heroin, the "scare pranks" history from actual court documents. Can you? No you can't, because it's not there.
“Leave it to Billy to take exception to Perugia Murder File, an information-sharing website that includes bilingual lawyers, scientists and translators who volunteer their time to provide EXCELLENT translations of Italian court documents, including the trial court's decision and the appellate court's decision.
Their repository of information about this case can't be beat.”
“I think you are confusing my posts with those of my beautiful and brilliant spouse, Crimson_H (we share the same views on this case). That said, I think you need to get out of the house, Stacy. 2000+ post about Knox since OCTOBER is a little, well... you know, intense.
1) I have no idea whether Lumumba said such a thing or whether it's true.
2) Scroll down.”
Stacyhs on Mar 10, 2012 at 21:18:36
“Still not answering the two questions I posted, G. Avoiding them?”
Stacyhs on Mar 10, 2012 at 16:38:21
“"I was questioned by five men and women, some of whom punched and kicked me," he claims. "They forced me on my knees against the wall and said I should be in America where I would be given the electric chair for my crime. All they kept saying was, 'You did it, you did it.'
"I didn't know what I'd 'done'. I was scared and humiliated. Then, after a couple of hours one of them suggested they show me a picture of 'the dead girl' to get me to confess.
"It might sound naive, but it was only then that I made the connection between Meredith's death and my arrest. Stunned, I said, 'You think I killed Meredith?'
"They said, 'Oh, so now you've remembered' and told me that if I confessed I'd only get half the 30-year sentence." It wasn't until 5.30pm that, still handcuffed and unfed, he was shown the evidence against him, a statement from Amanda saying that on the night of November 1 he had persuaded her to take him back to the house she shared with Meredith and two others.
And this happened immediately following Amanda's interrogation.
So, is he lying?”
Stacyhs on Mar 10, 2012 at 16:38:13
“I don't think so, Man of Many Handles. And again, why the need to comment on how many posts I make when it changes nothing about the facts of the case? Deflection at its finest...and most obvious.
1) Of course you know he did because it's been posted many, many times. But, just for you:
>At 6.30am on Tuesday, November 6, the bell to his fourth-floor flat in the town buzzed insistently and a woman's voice outside demanded he opened the door. He had barely had time to do so when the woman, assisted by, Patrick estimates, 15 to 20 others, barged their way in.
"They were wearing normal clothes and carrying guns," he says. "I thought it must be some sort of armed gang about to kill me. I was terrified.
"They hit me over the head and yelled 'dirty black'. Then they put handcuffs on me and shoved me out of the door, as Aleksandra pulled Davide away, screaming."
He was greeted outside by a convoy of seven police cars, sirens blazing, and driven to Perugia's police station, where he was subjected to a ten-hour interrogation.”
a) Raffaele left his DNA inside the murder room, on the victim's bra clasp &
b) Amanda left her blood and/or DNA commingled with the victim's blood in 5 separate spots spread across 3 separate areas of the cottage.”
Stacyhs on Mar 11, 2012 at 18:15:52
“a) RS's DNA on bra clasp shown to be non-incriminating due to completely unreliable testing and highly indicative of cross contamination. Explain the 3 other males' DNA found on the clasp. So, either 3 other men touched MK's bra clasp or they were deposited by cross contamination. Which do you think it was?
b) FALSE. THREE samples in the bathroom were of MK's blood and AK's DNA (not blood). This is perfectly normal. When MK's blood was deposited on the surface, it mixed with AK's DNA left during her normal use of the bathroom. If someone smeared/dropped blood in your bathroom, your DNA would show up in it.
ONE was found in Filomena's bedroom (177), a shapeless stain, tested negative for blood. In sample 177, alleles belonging to neither AK nor MK were detected, meaning they belonged to someone else. Was that unidentified person also a murderer?The amount of AK's DNA was just a trace.
ONE was an unidentified footprint found in the corridor. It also tested NEGATIVE for BLOOD, which means it was merely a footprint of a girl who lived in the house walking around picking up LCN DNA that was on the floor. (Hellmann Report)”
Katody Matrass on Mar 11, 2012 at 15:15:35
“Yeah, according to the prosecution. According to the court this "evidence" was rubbish. I tend to agree with the Court's argumentation here.”
BIllyDelyon on Mar 10, 2012 at 23:01:06
“b), No, there was no 'mixed blood' of knox commingled with anyone, this is a patent LIE...
Keep it up though, I will be here to call you out on it, no worries...”
BIllyDelyon on Mar 10, 2012 at 22:43:20
“That;s totally and complete sull bhit, debunked above, the prosecution NEVER brought it up during the trial, no one ever testified about it for the prosecution, no forensic prosecutions witnesses ever talked about it, you know why? Because there WAS NO MIXED BLOOD, only mixed DNA in the bathroom, that's it bigboy, if you continue to repeat this, you will be lying full on...
You've been warned...”
“1) There was no "inventory" of the suspects clothes and shoes against which to compare.
2) Sollecito's friends testified to the size and shape of the flick knife that went missing from Raffaele's collection.
3) The appellate process is ongoing. The prosecution is appealing the acquittal. The judgment may be set aside and a new trial ordered.
4) Guede's foot is excluded, according to the prosecution's expert. Not so for Raffaele. As for Amanda's LUMINOL footprints, they may show traces from watered down blood picked up during her shower in the bloody bathroom (who would do such a thing, BTW?), or what remained after a clean up, but it's absurd to suggest, as her PR people have, that Knox was trodding around in "turnip juice".
5) According to court documents, there was a trace of the victim's blood in Filomena's bedroom (where the "B&E" began). It contained Amanda's DNA but did not contain the DNA of Rudy, Filomena or Laura. Pretending it doesn't exist is not a substitute for explaining it.
6) Small number of traces? Due to a combination of: 1) cap & gloves per the prank theory; 2) Rudy does most of the man handling/ RS & AK brandish the knives; & 3) partial clean up of blood traces (subsequently revealed by LUMINOL and/or TMB)”
Katody Matrass on Mar 10, 2012 at 17:29:32
“1) Really? Then on what basis did the police said that Amanda's clothing was missing? You know that it was part of the pre-trial evidence, that was later disproved when the clothes were found.
2) You're either making it up or you're misinformed. Where is this testimony? Ask yourself why there's no mention of it in the Massei motivation.
3) Cassazione appeal concerns procedures, not evidence.
4) According to the defence experts, the judges and the jury it's Guede's footprint. No luminol traces were found to be blood and no luminol revealed tracks were found to be Amanda's. Read the court documents.
5) Wrong again. The trace tested negative for blood. Filomena's DNA reference sample was never taken for comparison. The trace is explained. Amanda and Meredith lived there and may have deposited DNA at any time by touch or even cough or sneeze. It may have been easily tracked there anytime during the month before the crime or even during the multiple police inspections.
6) You seem to meander to avoid the simple question - what about the shoe prints? Where are the prints of others?”
“I think I read that an effort to translate the prosecution's appeal (IIRC, it was over 100 pages long) is currently underway at perugia murder file (an information sharing website dedicated to this case), so we'll know the 'questions of law' raised by the state soon enough.
At over a hundred pages, it's clear that they've raised more than a few grounds of appeal.”
BIllyDelyon on Mar 10, 2012 at 23:06:45
“Total mistake hitting fav on that G, would never intentionally do that ever...
PMF is a hate Knox site, plain and simple, that's it... Just poke around, try to post if you've never been in there before, such a warm welcome crowd, yeah, about as welcome as entering room full of rattle snakes...
that's about what they consist of as people also...”
G Sweeny on Mar 10, 2012 at 15:34:40
“Leave it to Billy to take exception to Perugia Murder File, an information-sharing website that includes bilingual lawyers, scientists and translators who volunteer their time to provide EXCELLENT translations of Italian court documents, including the trial court's decision and the appellate court's decision.
Their repository of information about this case can't be beat.”
BIllyDelyon on Mar 10, 2012 at 14:56:50
“"at perugia murder file (an information sharing website dedicated to this case)"
Come on now G, we are well aware of what PMF.org-.net are, they are hardly "information sharing", unless you equate extreme Knox Derangement Syndrome spewing all sorts of vindictive spiteful hateful all things Knox hate hate hate, along with all the lies and half truths and misinformation about this case, that they branch out from and then head to places like this to spread the sull bhit gleefully under numerous handles, wow, kinda like you G...
The site 'leader' owner of .org Peggy G is a very spiteful horrible angry thing, she even broke with her mate Michel which is why there is now a .org, and a .net, both PMF... Big scary messy break up from what I read...
I love how you make it sound so innocent...
Mercy manofmanyhandles, you're loosing your game the longer this goes along...”
Katody Matrass on Mar 10, 2012 at 14:47:28
“Yes, but are these any good? I've read they're arguing the heroin Curatolo was on when he "saw what he saw" is not a hallucinogen. That's going to impress the Supreme Court, without doubt.”
“They can set the acquittal aside and order a new trial.
A top DNA expert called by the prosecution during the appeal claims that new technology can allow for a new test on the knife!
So, as I said: "far from over".”
BIllyDelyon on Mar 10, 2012 at 14:41:27
“But wait, first the Prosecution and Kercher family lawyer fought hard against 're-testing' the DNA in the first trial, then they fought it hard again in the Appeal, but Judge Hellmann decided to be actually fair to the Defense and Appointed Two Independent D A Experts (both of who have testified in trials about DNA throughout Italy, and are well known)...
The Court Appointed DNA experts blow the Prosecutions case out of the water, show the two extremely flimsy pieces of cr@p DNA evidence that was the only thing Mignini had to tie the two Innocent defendants to the very small bedroom (Where over 400+ pieces of DNA evidence samples were collected, with not one of those samples turning a positive for Sollecito or Knox's DNA) Meredith Kercher fought for her life and was brutally raped and murdered in...
So now because the Court Appointed Independent DNA experts testified that the prosecutions DNA evidence is worthless, the Prosecution now wants a DO OVER??? Not to mention, if you don't have blood, you don't have any DNA, there was NO BLOOD on the Kitchen knife that "smelled of bleach (no they didn't find that either) and looked 'shiny'" to the cop... Pathetic...
Yeah, the CofC will love that I'm sure...”
“Anyone can start a movie playing on their home computer and then leave the premises. Just because the movie was playing doesn't mean anyone was there to see it.”
ThomasY on Mar 11, 2012 at 17:37:35
“It might have been the cat ... the cat also turned on his phone before he woke up. Maybe the cat was also answering the phone, because Raffaele talked to his father a few times before he officially woke up.”
Katody Matrass on Mar 10, 2012 at 14:25:24
“Do you seriously think that's what happened? Why would they start a film and leave it playing? And who started the Naruto episode playback if they were not there?”
David C on Mar 10, 2012 at 14:18:48
“Unless someone comes around and you answer the door, of course.”
“According to court documents, Raffaele has a history of drug abuse replete with a police record for possession and, IIRC, according to Amanda's account of her time with Raffaele, he regaled her with tales of his highs on heroin and cocaine. Also, IIRC, despite being almost 25 years old, his father called him several times a day to make sure he wasn't using. I think Raffaele introduced Amanda to a drug she'd never tried before on the night of the murder (a hair test conducted after their arrest showed they both had imbibed a "narcotic").
IIRC, Raffale also had a combat knife mounted over his bed and actually WORE knives from his collection despite his father urging him not to do so (an ODD habit for the son of a doctor engaged in computer science studies - he wasn't a hunter or a farm hand!). In fact, he was so obsessed with his collection of flick knives that he wouldn't let his friends touch them. ODD, ODD stuff.
As for Rudy's lust for Amanda, read the trial court's judgment. Pay particular attention to the accounts offered by Amanda's downstairs neighbors - the men who introduced her to their pal, Rudy. He was asking everyone at the cottage whether Amanda was available. He even made a point of showing up where she worked.”
BIllyDelyon on Mar 10, 2012 at 14:25:24
“Every bit of the above post is either (oh shocker) 2nd hand hearsay "His father called him several times a day" how do you know this? Have you spent time around Sollecito's father? "I think raffaelle" (how many "I think's" are in your posts from the past 2 days?) the rest of the sentence is your "Conjecture".
Hair Test? Link?
Wore knives from his collection despite father urging him not to? Again, 2nd hand hearsay...
"He wouldn't let his friends touch them"? wtf?
How in the world would you know about a "Knife above his bed"?
The ridiculous quote later in the paragraph about him being so "obsessed" with is collection (has been debunked many times in Huffington Post, he was hardly a 'knife collector', good grief G) again, 2nd hand innuendo from supposedly his friends...Mercy...
What in the world does Rudy's 'lust' (besides him being known as a lech to college young lady's) for Knox have to do with them actually "knowing" each other, besides names?? So he showed up where she worked, she testified she thought he came to the bar once, so they were introduced at a 'get together' with multiple people there, "a party", so she knew his name, kinda, how many peoples names do you remember you've only met once? common sense G... Then he showed up at a bar while she was working... That's it, you're right, they must have been hellah tight...
Katody Matrass on Mar 10, 2012 at 14:17:08
“Heroin, cocaine? I'm afraid you're making things up. It would have been used against him in court and it wasn't, he was known to use cannabis, just like Meredith and her boyfriend (who was also growing marijuana, BTW) Combat knife? Made up. No such specimen was included into evidence. Hair test? showed nothing.
I'm afraid you're very misinformed. Stop reading the hate sites and try finding references to the cocaine and heroin, combat knives and hair tests in the actual court documents. You'll be surprised.
I have the list of evidence at hand and there are only two pocket knives apart from the kitchen knife in it. Maybe I'm missing something obvious. Give me the "reperto" number of the "combat knife" and prove me wrong.
Guede asked if she was available - that's not the same as "being smitten" and "eager to please". I've read the court documents. He asked just the guys, not "everyone in the cottage". How do you know he "made a point" of showing and not just happened to show up? What's the difference? Do you have anything to support this or is it your imagination only?
Returning to the main question - where is the testimony about pranks? Why did the prosecutor bring up noise ticket, comforting kisses and buying thongs but no "scare pranks" history? Maybe it's also made up?”
David C on Mar 10, 2012 at 14:17:01
“"He was asking everyone at the cottage whether Amanda was available. He even made a point of showing up where she worked. "
So, he might have been stalking Knox?
Wow, everything I read about him makes him look like a not very nice individual at all. Certainly not the sort of person who you want to confront during a burglary.”
BIllyDelyon on Mar 10, 2012 at 13:46:55
“Yep, you are, you're the manofmanyhandles...
Amazing, so you do have way more than 842 posts in Knox Article Discussions, I thinking more like at least 2, 800+... All I have to do now is just go and start to pull exactly the same phrases you've used when you got sloppy using one of your other guiltbaggerkl@n s0ckpuppet handles, link them up and start to post the nice little matches... Fun project for later this weekend!”
“1) They never found the bloody clothes Rudy was wearing either (he's admitted to throwing them in a dumpster and I think Amanda & Raffaele did the same thing).
2) IIRC, Raffaele's friends testified that they noticed a flick knife was missing from Raffaele's collection after the murder (it matches 2 of the 3 neck wounds).
3) The legal proceedings in relation to the butcher's knife (which matches one of the 3 neck wounds) are far from over.
4) Raffaele appears to have left a bloody footprint on the bathmat (Rudy's foot doesn't match the stain, Raffaele's does); LUMINOL revealed that Amanda left bloody footprints in the hallway (unless you buy her PR team's BS that she was standing in spilled turnip juice). The LUMINOL testing revealed her attempt to wipe up those hallway traces!
5) How do YOU explain that trace of Meredith's blood in Filomena's bedroom? Why does it contain Amanda's DNA instead of Rudy's or Filomena's??? Why was that blood wiped up (it was only discovered via LUMINOL)??? HINT: Clean up and staging of the scene!”
Stacyhs on Mar 10, 2012 at 16:32:10
“4b) NONE of Amanda's footprints testified positive for blood. They all tested negative with TMB. Stefanoni was caught either lying or not knowing what tests she had ordered when she said they had not been tested for blood when her own records showed they had been tested and tested negative. There was NO evidence of a cleanup and it was never testified to in court. If the prosecution had evidence of a clean up, they'd have used it to explain the lack of physical evidence. They didn't. The ONLY testimony came from the prosecution's own expert withess who said he'd seen NO intentional clean up of fingerprints
5) There was NO BLOOD in Filomena's bedroom. It was an unidentified stain but tested NEGATIVE for blood. Whatever it was, it contained mostly MK's DNA with a minute trace of AK's DNA. Totally non-incriminating.
If you can deny any of what I've said, then do so, but do so with links to actual evidence stating otherwise.”
Stacyhs on Mar 10, 2012 at 16:31:51
“1) None of A's clothes was missing per her roommates. Now I suppose you'll conjecture that she was stark naked when she killed Meredith?
2) NO such testimony exists. If it does, produce it.
3) It doesn't "match" one of the wounds. It could possibly have made one of the wounds, but not the other two. To say it "matched" is misleading. Forensics show these 3 wounds were most likely made at the same time.
4a) Prof Vinci clearly and in detail showed that the bloody footprint was not compatible to Sollecito's foot, but it was to Guede's. This was the same man who was able to find FIVE of Guede's shoeprints on the pillowcase while the police only found TWO. He was also the one who proved ALL the shoeprints belonged to Guede while the police said they belonged to Sollecito and one to Amanda.”
BIllyDelyon on Mar 10, 2012 at 13:50:43
“"3) The legal proceedings in relation to the butcher's knife (which matches one of the 3 neck wounds) are far from over."
The Court of Cassation cannot rule on "evidence" that was viewed or not viewed from the appeal, all they can rule on is "Procedure"...
What did Hellmann do to break with Procedure in the appeal?”
Katody Matrass on Mar 10, 2012 at 13:49:16
“1) That's not what I was asking about. Guede's nike shoes were demonstrably missing, he dumped them. Nothing of Amanda's clothes were unaccounted for despite ardous checks. So what about the "ski masks" and gloves?
2) Wrong, nothing like this was testified. Hint: how would you know it matches if it's missing?
3) What do you mean by "not over"? Who is still "proceeding legally" about that knife?? The kitchen knife doesn't match the depth of the large wound. We may pretend it went only halfway in (far fetched, but isn't the whole prank scenario?) but the bruising around the wound indicates a strike 'to the hilt' with much shorter blade.
4) It's Guede's footprint on the bathmat. The assorted bare feet tracks were not blood and were not matched to anyone. You're not familiar with the latest court's findings? I don't know where have you read about the "attempts to wipe up", but no evidence about it was presented in court. Wiping blood leaves distinct marks detectable by luminol that were demonstrably absent in this case. It also doesn't make any sense considering visible (and not wiped up) prints of Guede all over the hallway.
5) Trace of blood? There was no such. Read the court documents, not just hate sites propaganda.
Your scenario gets even more bizarre turn. So Guede was in his shoes but rest of the pranksters barefoot? What about the lack of traces in the room? Why only Guede's numerous traces and prints?”
“While I'm no where near the level of Knox Groupies like Stay at Home Stacy (2,000 pro-Knox posts in 4 months), or yourself (2,700+ posts, most of which are about Amanda Knox), I'll admit that I am very interested in figuring out what happened in this case.
It's very difficult to sort through all of the spin offered up by Knox's expensive PR firm (Gogerty Marriott) via their websites, press releases, etc..”
BIllyDelyon on Mar 10, 2012 at 15:34:01
“G Sweeny, ThomasYme, Brad Bigelow, I am Ajou, Jackie, (the imposter) john london, Crimson H, similouis, manofmanyguiltbaggerSPhandles, its really sad when you attempt to turn it back on us... Actually G, I've been posting here at Huffington Post since 2006, the amount of posts I have in 6 years is rather small for that amount of time...
So, you'd be lucky to find even half my posts in Knox discussions, as Stacyhs has shown (I don't for a second believe that mzbecc searched through Stacyhs's comments, counted how many weren't and how many were, like I did, its not possible she could have counted, & made it through all Stacyhs's posts in the "Ten to fifeteen minutes or less") a ability by hundreds of posts, that she can post outside of a Knox Article Discussion, and has plenty...
You on the other hand, you're now up to 844 total posts to HP, with 842 in Knox Article Discussions...
Again Gster, its obvious who's obsessed with h@ting on Knox, and who's here debunking all the many fibs about the case everyday, replying with the actual truth & facts surrounding the Solleciton Knox Trial & Appeal...
Its not our fault you guys can't keep your stories straight...”
Stacyhs on Mar 10, 2012 at 14:20:57
“G, that's because I only post under one name, unlike you.
Besides, how many posts anyone has made has nothing to do with the facts of the Kercher murder case. So, why the obvious and futile attempt at deflection by attacking me? Does how many posts I've made change the fact that Knox and Sollecito were acquitted and there there was zero evidence connecting them to Meredith's murder?
I'll ask you agains (although I'm not expecting answers):
1. Was Lumumba lying about being "punched and kicked", "hit in the head", denied food for a minimum of 11 hours, called "dirty black", "forced to his knees", etc during his interrogation the same day as Amanda's?
2. How do you explain no physical evidence left behind by 2 of 3 people who were all accused of being physically involved in holding down, raping, and stabbing a young woman to death?
As I said, I'm not really expecting an answer as none of you guilters ever answers either one of them.”
BIllyDelyon on Mar 10, 2012 at 13:33:15
“Man, its so sad when you try to turn it back on us, no, see, I've been posting here since '06, so, you'd be lucky to find half my posts in Knox discussions, and Stacyhs has also shown, (again, I don't for a second believe that mzbecc actually went through Stacyhs's comments, because she could not have counted and made it through all her posts in the time "8 to 10 minutes or less" she claimed to have counted them) has shown an ability by hundreds of posts to post outside of a Knox Article Discussion...
You on the other hand, nope, you're now up to 844 total posts to Huffington Post, with 842 in Knox Article Discussions...
Again sp0rt, its obvious who's obsessed with h@ting on Knox, and who's here debunking all you're fibs about the case everyday, its not our fault you guys can't get/keep your stories straight..
The Knox Derangement Syndrome is all you and your fellow guiltbaggerklan s0ckpuppets, I've shown with facts who only posts in the Knox Article discussions and those discussions alone... Proof is in the pudding G...”