Labour just realised that to milk the rich there actually had to be some rich people to milk.
All the good things that Labour inherited in 97 disappeared soon after that, trade surplus turned in to trade deficit, budget surplus turned in to budget deficit, the 2 jobs being created in the private sector for every one in the public sector turned in to 50/50 public private, manufacturing which had leveled out in the mid 90s went in to far worse decline than in the 80s, housing shortages doubled, quango spending exploded, £1 trillion extra spent by Brown that if we had stuck to the Clarke/Major spending plans might have seen us through the storm (they might have blown it too, who knows?).
Just because some people got rich doesn't mean it was because of Thatchers policies.”
And that's your job, it's your job to worry about them, feed them, clothe them, teach them right from wrong, house them and keep them safe. That's what Thatcher was really all about, she understood that it was your job to look after yourself and your family. She also gave you the CHOICE to look after other people if you wanted to, to give YOUR money or YOUR time to whoever or whatever your cared about.
That's the way it should be, if you wanted to give money to a charity, she wouldn't have stopped you. If you wanted to give money to someone who was poorer than you she wouldn't have stopped you, but it should be your choice. Why is it better to have a corrupt state make those decisions for us? Your money is being given to people and causes that you don't like, and my money is being given to people and causes that I don't like. That is wrong.
Society was always divided. When people were going on strike for 30% pay rises, someone else was going to have to suffer to give them that rise. Thatcher understood that they too were putting themselves and their families first, they didn't care where their 30% pay rise would come from, they didn't care if it meant a 30% pay cut for someone else. The division was already there.”
nicolacrky on Apr 14, 2013 at 08:15:18
“She also gave you the CHOICE to look after other people if you wanted to,
well i have it wrong the womans a saint. imagine being able to give money to charity
because the great leader allowed you to. just think she allowed us to breath as well,
well the ones who did not commit suicide under her great power.”
“I keep hearing that there are only 400 1 bedroom flats here, and 500 1 bedroom flats there. The thing that everyone seems to forget is, when the people living in the 1 bedroom flats move in to the bigger properties, then the smaller properties become available.
Why does no one mention how many over-occupied houses there are?
I can't believe there are only 400 over-occupied properties in the whole of Wales.”
“so if everything is Thatchers fault, what's the point in voting for Labour at all if they can't change anything?”
oldtrout on Apr 10, 2013 at 04:07:07
“it does not matter who you vote for they are all the same,,just accept things are never going to change,,,we are told cuts are needed to get the country back on its feet ,,yet millions are given away in foriegn aid,and thousands are allowed to come here each year to scrounge off our benefit system,,it does not add up,,now millions will be spent on thatchers funeral,,,what a complete waste of money”
“it wasn't just coal that was the problem though was it?
we were importing coal long before Thatcher came to power and America was selling coal for less than we could mine it for too so what's your point?
education is an investment, you spend money today in the hope of a return some time in the future so completely different”
Rubymurray on Apr 9, 2013 at 13:59:19
“No it wasn't just coal,it was also manufacturing,steel, railways,shipping gas,oil,electricity to name a few. they were all deregulated.During the down turn in the 80s the Japanese government also invested and put vast sums of money into their merchant shipping,in the hope that when the down turn was over it would then be in a position to sell ships again. Guess what it worked. All deregulation has done is destabilise social cohesion and created division in our country.We can't afford sending 50% of our young people to university to do useless degrees either.But do you know what there's nothing else for them. As you said we can buy everything in cheaper and use their talents instead. We've had our day now and this goverments wants us to work longer and earn less.That 'll push profits up for them,”
1. mine a metric ton of coal for £44
2. sell that metric ton of coal for £32
3. go on strike for a bigger share of the profits
4. call in the IMF for a bailout
Rubymurray on Apr 9, 2013 at 12:48:41
“Hi Genaro,why don't we buy from South America or other third world countries( which we do) and exploit the men,women and children who have to work in the most horrendous conditions to extract it and who are then paid a pittance.The welfare and Health & Safety of these companies is non existant.I suppose you don't mind wearing your over priced trainers made in the far east sweat shops for pennies and sold here for a huge amount of money. Sometimes to maintain social cohesion you have to sacrifice a shortfall. Look at the huge amount education cost at the tax payers expense. That can't pay for itself can it,but I'm quite sure you wouldn't consider Education cost Billions; profit zero; would you?You failed to recognise the current recession is down to banking... and who bailed them out? Or you just maybe feel it's the unions fault. Wake up and smell the coffee mate!”
“apparently all the good bits were thanks to Blair, Brown and Miliband, but all the bad bits are blamed on Thatcher
I would have thought that the early bits were more likely to be from the previous governments, so that's everything good that happened under Labour, and the later bits would be the more thanks to the government of the day, so that's all the bad that happened under Labour
seems that when it's Labour it works the other way, the good bits at the start was all them, but then the later bad bits was all Thatcher
but now that the Conservatives have inherited a mess, that's all their fault, and Thatchers of course, but you can be sure if there's any good at the end, it will all be thanks to Labour
What manufacturing did she destroy exactly? Which industries were destroyed that weren't in deep trouble before she came to power? I can't think of any.
You might not like this either, but the financial industry saved us from bankruptcy long before the taxpayer saved them. Several £trillion up in the last couple of decades, not bad for a few hundred £billion out. It was Labour who relied on that easy money, that's why it hurt so bad when it dried up.
When Thatcher came to power manufacturing was 24% of our GDP, when she left it was 20% (nearly the same as Germany today). Not bad considering car production had dropped from nearly 2 million to around 1 million in one short decade before she came along. When Labour arrived in 1997 manufacturing was 18% of gdp, by 2010 it was just 10%.
I can't see anything bad that happened under Thatcher that started under Thatcher, just the left blaming their own failings on someone else as usual.”
“when Labour came to power there were 1 million people on housing waiting lists, when they left that number was 2 million, and they doubled the amount they were spending on housing benefits too so I don't know where you get that idea from
spend twice as much, make the problem twice as bad, that's Labour”