“As a senior with health insurance, I am looking forward to the implementation of the AHCA to help those in need of it, to actually join the rest of the country to PAY INTO THE SYSTEM, based on their incomes. It will not be FREE, even to those who are not working. People out of work with no dependents do not qualify for monetary assistance in the state of PA right now. And adding a requirement of actively seeking employment will not help to create jobs that's simply not there.”
“No one is saying he does not have the right to speak there. However, people also have the right to speak out against what the church teaches.
Free speech means you can say what you wish without legal action-not you can say what you wish without challenge.
If his fans think less of him because of his support of this church's ideas-that is their right too.”
“They are insulting to non-christians and wrong. But is being just as insulting and disrespectful to them the route you wish to take?
There are far better ways to say, "I don't believe in God" or "I don't believe the claims of Christianity" other than to call it a "myth." I don't believe the claims of the Hindu faith-but have enough respect for those who do to not tell them it is a "myth" that they should "dump."
The goal that all should have is that we as a society accept that other people believe different things-and that is ok. This sign does not help that.
A sign promoting humanism or non christian based ways to celebrate the season would have been a better approach.”
“Countering those billboards is one thing. Stating positive things about atheism or humanism would be great. Offending those who believe differently-in the same way those that said you would go to hell did-is wrong.
"myth" is an insult to most people when it comes to their beliefs. I am not Hindu, but I have enough respect for those that are to not call their beliefs a "myth" and suggest they "dump" it.
I disagree that it does not do damage. The image that the right wing tries to portray of atheists is angry and combative. This is not helpful in changing that.
There would be far more positive ways to let those who do not believe feel better and know they are not alone.”
Likecandy7 on Dec 11, 2012 at 22:51:55
“A million posts saying the same thing over and over - we get it, the billboard insults you... Get a life.”
EmmaDarian on Dec 11, 2012 at 18:08:28
“Again, it's stating the obvious. Christians have no problem calling Zeus a myth and he still has followers. And suggesting it's ok to let go of the mythology IS positive. Anyone offended by this billboard would be offended by any atheist billboard.”
“This has nothing to do with free speech. They have the right to put the billboard up and people have the right to be offended.
Free speech does not mean that people can't said it is wrong.
I am not a fan of Mr. McCarthy or his statement. It was very offensive. Was the goal of this sign to come up with something equally disrespectful to match it? Is this a race to the bottom? That isn't helpful either.
How is this disrespectful? Calling people's beliefs a "myth" that they should "dump"
This country, and world, needs to accept that other people believe differently and respect it. This sign does not bring us close to that.”
Stephen Fullerton on Dec 11, 2012 at 17:59:39
“But it is a myth, there is virtually NO evidence for the existence of an actual christ jesus or god for that matter, besides the myths of religion in general.
It is only offensive, or should be, to those who believe them. Even then when their faith is to themselves in question. I know I used to be in the faithful.
But the thing that is offensive exactly is what? "Dump"ing on those beliefs, even when literally there is no evidence for the existence is what those believers base those beliefs on.
I find it more offensive when believers take those same beliefs and justify bigoted positions, or try to pass laws governing over other peoples lives, namely the ones who DON'T believe the same.
Non-believers have a right to point out when faith is conflicting with reality and when those unrealistic beliefs need, and indeed deserve, to be... Questioned? Ridiculed? Called out?
“There is no hypocrisy! I am universally against posting offensive things about other people's beliefs. It is wrong when Christians do it. It is wrong when atheists do it. It is wrong when any religion does it.
Working to fight the things you mentioned is right. However, not only is a billboard like this not going to change those things, it is going to turn off people who may otherwise support your cause.
You have sunk to the level of right wing christians. That is not a complement nor a position I respect.”
kacebelle on Dec 11, 2012 at 17:12:38
“I simply pointed out how your entire post left out the things that christians do on a daily basis to lift themselves above other religions and the constitution itself. You are free to interpret that however you wish. Merry christmas! ”
kacebelle on Dec 11, 2012 at 17:11:27
“I didn't post the billboard. How on earth did I sink to that level? It certainly isn't MY cause. I'm not an atheist.”
“I didn't say all atheists are a fringe group. I said that the group of people who chose to, rather than promote the positive side of atheism and humanism chose to attack the beliefs of others do not represent all atheists.”
“"dump the myth" is not simply expressing your beliefs or opinion.
I think a billboard expressing the positive aspects of atheism would be great...
I am not a conservative christian by any means, and am quite open to the idea that Jesus was not divine. However, I have never called any other religion a myth and suggest that its believers "dump it."
"I don't believe in God" is an opinion. "Those who don't believe in God still celebrate the season." is great. "Your beliefs are a myth-dump them" is an insult.”
TheMostSmartestManAlive on Dec 11, 2012 at 17:12:00
“NO IT IS AN OPINION. Atheists (by definition) don't believe in the claims of Christianity. This is neither surprising nor insulting. And the advice to 'dump it' is just like the advice from 1000s of billboards daily to convert to Christianity. But I guess none of those are insulting to non-Christians?”
lolly caust on Dec 11, 2012 at 16:33:53
“actually, unless you're accusing the speaker of lying, the statement 'i don't believe in god' would be a fact.
your characterization of it as an opinion is offensive.”
“And telling us that we'll burn & suffer for all eternity for NOT sharing in your beliefs is so much more respectful, right?
No! It is very wrong. Is a race to the bottom to see who can be the most disrespectful really the goal?
You can dismiss whomever you want, but when millions of people believe in something (unlike zeus) it is disrespectful to call their beliefs a myth. It doesn't make what they do ok, but if the goal is greater tolerance and understanding-this is not the best approach.”
Anthony Yanuaria on Dec 11, 2012 at 15:49:42
“Point taken. I get caught up in the emotion of it all and respond accordingly.
There is a guy by the name of David G McAfee (author of Disproving Christianity and other Secular Writings - a very good book btw) and I follow him on Facebook and he is one of the few people who know how to debate belief versus non-belief with respect and without being condescending or vulgar, even when the one he is debating goes that route. And I respect that. You should check him out I think you would enjoy how he does his thing.”
“And you think this is the best way to do so? "Dump the myth?" You are not presenting information about your beliefs, you are attacking them for believing something different.
Should you wish to present the case for atheism, there are certainly far better ways to state your case.”
Cheree Maureen Murphy on Dec 11, 2012 at 15:30:56
“True! F & F”
QuestDGW on Dec 11, 2012 at 15:24:43
“I do not disagree with you on that point. I never said this is the greatest way to get the message across, it's just one way it's being done. Personally I find it better to make sure those who are theists to educate themselves on history. That is much more useful than just a back and forth on what is fact or fiction. a Theist has belief, even in the face of overwhelming evidence to the contrary...that's what faith is. So I don't ever argue points on theism to change someone's mind...they must do that for themselves. All I can do is point out what I know is historically factual and supported by evidence. That, you cannot argue fact or fiction about.”
“No one said it was more offensive.
But is a race to the bottom to see who can be moredisrespectful really a good thing?”
Stephen Fullerton on Dec 11, 2012 at 16:35:15
“How exactly is this disrespecting. The christian right was Screaming at the left a few weeks back for calling on a boycott for Mr Cathy's remarks (chick-fil-a). They were saying it was free speech. AND it was far more offensive then this, I think.
How is this not being defended in the same manner as a free speech issue?
“Where did I say that you needed to believe in God to be a good person or enjoy the season?
There are ways of expressing that sentiment without caling the belief of billions a myth and putting a photo of the man they believe to be their savior.
It is no worse than the others-but no more helpful either. Why not promote positive aspects of your beliefs...or even say something like "You don't need to believe in God to celebrate the season." Far less disrespectful than "dump the myth."”
DINGCHIROPTERA on Dec 11, 2012 at 15:12:10
“We do have the freedom of speech here, so if the atheists have to listen to the church of latter day saints tv ads, and all the other people spouting religion publicly on a daily basis, then why don't they get to say what they believe ( or in this case don't believe). And technically all religions are a myth, even mine.”
“Attacking the beliefs of others is not going to get them to change their thinking or increase their respect of you. Why not promote the positive aspects of your beliefs instead of being disrespectful?”
lolly caust on Dec 11, 2012 at 15:55:17
“atheism isn't a belief”
florenzfan on Dec 11, 2012 at 15:46:53
“...Or just wait for them to die.”
Scallywag13 on Dec 11, 2012 at 15:17:33
“Amen... when will those Christians stop?”
TheMostSmartestManAlive on Dec 11, 2012 at 15:15:06
“So it is an attack to express one's opinion? You only believe in one religion, and it is obvious to everyone when you talk about it that you think all other religions are false. Are you attackign people for giving this opinion of yours? Nope!”
Chitownster on Dec 11, 2012 at 15:07:31
“Yes Gina!!!! Poor kids that believe in Santa! That is not fair for those poor people with imaginary friends. The white dude on a stick below, well, that's another fairy tale.”
Chitownster on Dec 11, 2012 at 15:03:38
“You can't respect adults with imaginary friends. Happy solstice!”
“Might be nice, but does more harm than good in the end.
How much respect do you have for conservative Christians who post disrespectful things about atheists? That is about as much respect as I have for this group.
However, I am able to see the distance between this frings group and all atheists. Most are not and will only lower their opinion, and tolerance of atheists.”
mamased on Dec 11, 2012 at 15:26:40
“I totally disagree with the "more harm than good." There is nothing more harmful that to be crushed and silenced. I know you don't like to hear it, but we have the right to disagree with your religion in a very public way. There nothing inaccurate or insulting in pointing out that religion is a myth. There have been gods since man first tried to explain creation. The Judeo-Christian god is only one in a long line of myths. Religiosity is waning as people are more educated and interconnected. That is a fact. Like or not. I believe Humanism will replace religious deities eventually. Not in our lifetimes, but eventually.”
“They play into the right wing Christians' hands. They like to make atheism look combative and evil. Putting a billboard that is so disrespectful of people's beliefs gives them the perfect opportunity to say, "Look! Why should we respect their beliefs when they are so disrespectful of ours?"”