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Virginia Tech Survivor With Hidden Camera Films Dangerous Gun Sales at Gun Shows
Commented Nov 24, 2009 at 16:58:09 in Politics
“I forgot all about that.
I now remember they used to have these scary looking vans that drove around, supposedly with equipment designed to find unlicensed TVs. Of course it was a complete scam, the vans contained no such equipment, but it was effective in scaring the populace into being good subjects of the state for nearly 50 years. Now they've switched to official looking guys walking around with headphones, waving magic wands at houses and flats. Very Orwellian.
The gun controllers would love to have a similar set up for guns. I imagine in the near future, they will try to mandate that all guns have RFID chips in them just for that purpose. As you probably know, some law enforcement agencies have already started electronically tagging their guns.”
I now remember they used to have these scary looking vans that drove around, supposedly with equipment designed to find unlicensed TVs. Of course it was a complete scam, the vans contained no such equipment, but it was effective in scaring the populace into being good subjects of the state for nearly 50 years. Now they've switched to official looking guys walking around with headphones, waving magic wands at houses and flats. Very Orwellian.
The gun controllers would love to have a similar set up for guns. I imagine in the near future, they will try to mandate that all guns have RFID chips in them just for that purpose. As you probably know, some law enforcement agencies have already started electronically tagging their guns.”
OdinsEye replied on Nov 24, 2009 at 17:16:39
“"Of course it was a complete scam, the vans contained no such equipment"
Um... actually, the vans were quite real and could detect the flyback frequencies from CRT based TVs from quite a distance. There was nothing supersecret about it. And mediocre amature radio tech could build a simple detector with same basic electronic components, a coat hanger, and some coax cable.
Of course this only works when the TVs are on.
Modern TVs are much harder to detect than the old CRT systems.
The idea it was a myth is in part due to people as.suming that every government van was such a vehicle and peaking in inside and seeing nothing.”
Um... actually, the vans were quite real and could detect the flyback frequencies from CRT based TVs from quite a distance. There was nothing supersecret about it. And mediocre amature radio tech could build a simple detector with same basic electronic components, a coat hanger, and some coax cable.
Of course this only works when the TVs are on.
Modern TVs are much harder to detect than the old CRT systems.
The idea it was a myth is in part due to people as.suming that every government van was such a vehicle and peaking in inside and seeing nothing.”
Virginia Tech Survivor With Hidden Camera Films Dangerous Gun Sales at Gun Shows
Commented Nov 24, 2009 at 02:17:19 in Politics
“"Registration of automobiles (a title with VIN) and real estate (a deed, filed at the courthouse) are mechanisms of taxation but they also are proof of ownership. We have government to secure property. To secure property requires proof of ownership. "
Have you registered your TV lately?”
Have you registered your TV lately?”
OdinsEye replied on Nov 24, 2009 at 12:02:33
“You mean like in England?”
djcrsn replied on Nov 24, 2009 at 02:41:11
“and I have never registered a book or computer”
Virginia Tech Survivor With Hidden Camera Films Dangerous Gun Sales at Gun Shows
Commented Nov 24, 2009 at 01:14:21 in Politics
“Registrations has never been about safety.
Governments only register things for two reasons: Taxation and/or confiscation.”
Governments only register things for two reasons: Taxation and/or confiscation.”
Virginia Tech Survivor With Hidden Camera Films Dangerous Gun Sales at Gun Shows
Commented Nov 24, 2009 at 00:32:34 in Politics
“"How many law enforcement officers were killed in the post Katrina confiscations that your colleagues are continually invoking?"
You do realize the Katrina confiscations happened when no one was around and the homes were abandoned for days on end? The people who stayed with their guns were able to keep them.
I'm thinking more along the lines of no-knock raids where both police officers and the home owners end up getting injured or killed.”
You do realize the Katrina confiscations happened when no one was around and the homes were abandoned for days on end? The people who stayed with their guns were able to keep them.
I'm thinking more along the lines of no-knock raids where both police officers and the home owners end up getting injured or killed.”
Virginia Tech Survivor With Hidden Camera Films Dangerous Gun Sales at Gun Shows
Commented Nov 23, 2009 at 00:42:43 in Politics
“You mean like in Canada's where their long gun registry has at best a 50% compliance rate?
Keep in mind that Canada has a lot fewer guns and a less "rebellious" culture than the US. Trying to enforce gun registration in some parts of the US would essentially be a suicide mission.”
Keep in mind that Canada has a lot fewer guns and a less "rebellious" culture than the US. Trying to enforce gun registration in some parts of the US would essentially be a suicide mission.”
Virginia Tech Survivor With Hidden Camera Films Dangerous Gun Sales at Gun Shows
Commented Nov 21, 2009 at 15:55:06 in Politics
“But it has eliminated the "problem". Even though there isn't a single bit of statistical evidence that the problem has been affected in any way, at least we all feel safer. Isn't that what matters most?
That's why we need to close the gun show loophole. Even though it will accomplish little to nothing, at least we can all feel safer. And our pols will feel like they've accomplished something without doing anything at all. It's a win for everyone.”
That's why we need to close the gun show loophole. Even though it will accomplish little to nothing, at least we can all feel safer. And our pols will feel like they've accomplished something without doing anything at all. It's a win for everyone.”
LindaCat replied on Nov 22, 2009 at 09:10:23
“From a practical standpoint -
Gun shows are a marginal source of firearms used illegally. This explains why LE directs it's efforts to go after the unlicensed gun dealers who make a business of selling firearms illegally. They don't do it at gun shows as it's too exposed to the LE presence. These alternate sources are so robust that they will easily fill any gap resulting from any legislative or LE effort against shows even if one were to eliminate gun shows entirely. There are political implications associated with legislating against gun shows as well. The cost / benefit ratio to LE and politicians makes it difficult to justify an effort along these lines.”
Gun shows are a marginal source of firearms used illegally. This explains why LE directs it's efforts to go after the unlicensed gun dealers who make a business of selling firearms illegally. They don't do it at gun shows as it's too exposed to the LE presence. These alternate sources are so robust that they will easily fill any gap resulting from any legislative or LE effort against shows even if one were to eliminate gun shows entirely. There are political implications associated with legislating against gun shows as well. The cost / benefit ratio to LE and politicians makes it difficult to justify an effort along these lines.”
Virginia Tech Survivor With Hidden Camera Films Dangerous Gun Sales at Gun Shows
Commented Nov 21, 2009 at 05:54:59 in Politics
“This is horrible. How dare we allow people to sell guns at gun shows? The government should do something about this.
In some states it's impossible for meth makers to get Sudafed over the counter, because you have to show ID and sign your name on a piece of paper. As a result, the manufacture and use of meth has completely ceased. Surely we can make it equally impossible for bad people to get guns. That way all the gun crime will disappear.”
In some states it's impossible for meth makers to get Sudafed over the counter, because you have to show ID and sign your name on a piece of paper. As a result, the manufacture and use of meth has completely ceased. Surely we can make it equally impossible for bad people to get guns. That way all the gun crime will disappear.”
Rogan replied on Nov 22, 2009 at 06:58:55
“(following up my first comment, about the meth)
Oh, you were being sardonic. I get it. Never mind. (I just woke up, and haven't hit the speed yet... or, well, the coffee, as the case may be...)”
Oh, you were being sardonic. I get it. Never mind. (I just woke up, and haven't hit the speed yet... or, well, the coffee, as the case may be...)”
Rogan replied on Nov 22, 2009 at 06:57:33
“You don't really think that silly law about signing for sudafed, has made any difference, do you?
When I lived in Mississippi ten (maybe nine?) years ago, I knew a couple of guys who were meth manufacturers (they were always harrassing me to let them use my house, because of its location, to, as they described the process, "drop the bomb"). They were also big on trying to talk me into driving them from store to store so they could shoplift cold meds... (They had to steal hundreds of those pills, and wanted any help they could get.)
...but the REAL hassle, for them, was the heavily controlled OTHER ingredient, something my friend always described as "rocket fuel," called, if I remember correctly, Propanol 17 (but don't go making your own drugs from it, without a second source - my memory's shaky!). The lengths they had to go to to get the "rocket fuel," were so extreme and hazardous, they found it amusing, to think that asking others (non-shoplifters) to sign for cold medicine, would ever slow them down...
...I moved away in '02; since then, I've never even been OFFERED meth (it's not big over here on the urbanized East Coast). But I somehow didn't think that coming down on sudafed sales, had done anything to slow meth manufacture and trafficking... do you seriously have a source, for that, or were you just making a leap of faith?”
When I lived in Mississippi ten (maybe nine?) years ago, I knew a couple of guys who were meth manufacturers (they were always harrassing me to let them use my house, because of its location, to, as they described the process, "drop the bomb"). They were also big on trying to talk me into driving them from store to store so they could shoplift cold meds... (They had to steal hundreds of those pills, and wanted any help they could get.)
...but the REAL hassle, for them, was the heavily controlled OTHER ingredient, something my friend always described as "rocket fuel," called, if I remember correctly, Propanol 17 (but don't go making your own drugs from it, without a second source - my memory's shaky!). The lengths they had to go to to get the "rocket fuel," were so extreme and hazardous, they found it amusing, to think that asking others (non-shoplifters) to sign for cold medicine, would ever slow them down...
...I moved away in '02; since then, I've never even been OFFERED meth (it's not big over here on the urbanized East Coast). But I somehow didn't think that coming down on sudafed sales, had done anything to slow meth manufacture and trafficking... do you seriously have a source, for that, or were you just making a leap of faith?”
leeclayton replied on Nov 21, 2009 at 07:49:35
“Oh wait, I get it. If any one part of a solution doesn't completely eliminate a problem, it's best to do nothing about it at all. Copy that.”
leeclayton replied on Nov 21, 2009 at 07:33:57
“Hmm. A gun show enthusiast who knows how to make meth. What are the odds?”
Armor-Piercing 5.7mm Pistol Used at Fort Hood Originally Designed for Military Only
Commented Nov 18, 2009 at 14:26:34 in Politics
“What's the difference between a military firearm and a non-military firearm?”
Armor-Piercing 5.7mm Pistol Used at Fort Hood Originally Designed for Military Only
Commented Nov 18, 2009 at 14:23:15 in Politics
Armor-Piercing 5.7mm Pistol Used at Fort Hood Originally Designed for Military Only
Commented Nov 17, 2009 at 21:24:53 in Politics
“"the Hummer created for the civilian market was radically redesigned for the civilian market. "
No they weren't. The H1 and HMMWV came off the same assembly line. They shared every single body panel. The only difference between the two was the painting process and interior trim after the assembly.”
No they weren't. The H1 and HMMWV came off the same assembly line. They shared every single body panel. The only difference between the two was the painting process and interior trim after the assembly.”
prayforroy replied on Nov 18, 2009 at 09:44:15
“The same assembly line--sure.
Different engine, different suspension, most of the drive train is different, the electrical system is different. cooling system is different. Addition of emissions gear.
But the body panels are the same.”
Different engine, different suspension, most of the drive train is different, the electrical system is different. cooling system is different. Addition of emissions gear.
But the body panels are the same.”
Dimensio replied on Nov 17, 2009 at 22:03:22
“While your statement is correct, facts and reality are of no relevance to civilian disarmament advocates.”
Armor-Piercing 5.7mm Pistol Used at Fort Hood Originally Designed for Military Only
Commented Nov 17, 2009 at 15:04:06 in Politics
“"Police and military have different roles than Joe Sixpack. The military (and sometimes the police) tactical role is bring massive firepower upon a situation."
As Joe Sixpack, that's my role as well. If my life or the lives of my friends and family are jeopardy, I want to bring as much firepower to the situation as legally possible.”
As Joe Sixpack, that's my role as well. If my life or the lives of my friends and family are jeopardy, I want to bring as much firepower to the situation as legally possible.”
Armor-Piercing 5.7mm Pistol Used at Fort Hood Originally Designed for Military Only
Commented Nov 17, 2009 at 14:57:35 in Politics
“"If you believe that it is a worthwhile trade-off to lose thousands of lives every year in return for the unrestricted right to own and carry a 9-millimetre semiautomatic handgun or an assault rifle ... then so be it."
There was no right to carry at all at Fort Hood and people still died.
I don't see how restricting the right to carry is going to save lives.”
There was no right to carry at all at Fort Hood and people still died.
I don't see how restricting the right to carry is going to save lives.”
Armor-Piercing 5.7mm Pistol Used at Fort Hood Originally Designed for Military Only
Commented Nov 16, 2009 at 21:42:52 in Politics
“You analogy is flawed. You're essentially comparing a gun to a baseball bat.
A better analogy would be a professional carpenter's hammer vs one you buy at the dollar store. While one is used by professionals and the other is lower quality, they are both used to do the exact same thing: Hammer nails. One just happens to not fall apart after 1000 nails.
Personally, I want the highest quality tools. The ones the professionals use. It doesn't matter if it's hammers, computers, or guns. I'd rather have a Glock or even a poodle shooter like the FN over something like a Hi-Point or Jennings.”
A better analogy would be a professional carpenter's hammer vs one you buy at the dollar store. While one is used by professionals and the other is lower quality, they are both used to do the exact same thing: Hammer nails. One just happens to not fall apart after 1000 nails.
Personally, I want the highest quality tools. The ones the professionals use. It doesn't matter if it's hammers, computers, or guns. I'd rather have a Glock or even a poodle shooter like the FN over something like a Hi-Point or Jennings.”
prayforroy replied on Nov 17, 2009 at 09:07:41
“Unfortunately, you are displaying a lack of understanding about firearms; it's ok, most NRA adherents have little more than a superficial understanding of firearms.
Police and military have different roles than Joe Sixpack. The military (and sometimes the police) tactical role is bring massive firepower upon a situation. As many i the armed forces will tell you, the military is a blunt instrument not a surgical tool.
To return to the carpenter analogy, simply buying the best available tools doesn't make one a better--or even a competent --carpenter.”
Police and military have different roles than Joe Sixpack. The military (and sometimes the police) tactical role is bring massive firepower upon a situation. As many i the armed forces will tell you, the military is a blunt instrument not a surgical tool.
To return to the carpenter analogy, simply buying the best available tools doesn't make one a better--or even a competent --carpenter.”
djcrsn replied on Nov 17, 2009 at 02:23:11
“In my case, I will stick to my Security Sixes in 357 and RUger p89 and 90 over any ring of firePOS”
Armor-Piercing 5.7mm Pistol Used at Fort Hood Originally Designed for Military Only
Commented Nov 16, 2009 at 19:45:47 in Politics
“So what if it's designed for military and police use? How does that make it any less suitable for hunting, sport, or self-defense? The most popular sporting arms in the world are based on military designs (Colt SAA, Mausers, Garands, Stoner rifles, 1911s, Glocks, etc etc).”
prayforroy replied on Nov 16, 2009 at 21:06:28
“So what if a stapler is designed to staple sheets of paper together? You can still use it to pound nails or saw through wood, right?
Again--and I'm typing slowly--why would anyone want a product for some other purpose than what it's designed for? The answer is they wouldn't if they were knowledgeable.”
Again--and I'm typing slowly--why would anyone want a product for some other purpose than what it's designed for? The answer is they wouldn't if they were knowledgeable.”
Handgun Crowd Returns Fire Post Fort Hood -- No Surprise Here
Commented Nov 13, 2009 at 15:15:46 in Politics
“We'd have their word, which i've learned is pretty much worthless.
Both the BC and VPC have shown their propensity to incrementalism in the past.”
Both the BC and VPC have shown their propensity to incrementalism in the past.”
Handgun Crowd Returns Fire Post Fort Hood -- No Surprise Here
Commented Nov 13, 2009 at 15:07:27 in Politics
“"If you detonate a bomb and miss your target there are no second chances."
A bomb isn't exactly a precision weapon. Even if you "miss", you still kill people.”
A bomb isn't exactly a precision weapon. Even if you "miss", you still kill people.”
Handgun Crowd Returns Fire Post Fort Hood -- No Surprise Here
Commented Nov 13, 2009 at 00:51:31 in Politics
“"What, then, have the Brady Center and the Violence Policy Center advocated?"
To be fair, they don't want to ban all guns. They just support bans on most of them. They'll be happy to leave you with your single shot rifle, revolver (but not if you live in Chicago or DC), and O/U or side-by-side shotgun.”
To be fair, they don't want to ban all guns. They just support bans on most of them. They'll be happy to leave you with your single shot rifle, revolver (but not if you live in Chicago or DC), and O/U or side-by-side shotgun.”
Dimensio replied on Nov 13, 2009 at 08:52:11
“"They'll be happy to leave you with your single shot rifle, revolver"
What guarantee exists that the respective organizations would not subsequently seek a prohibition on such firearms should their current goals be accomplished?”
What guarantee exists that the respective organizations would not subsequently seek a prohibition on such firearms should their current goals be accomplished?”
Handgun Crowd Returns Fire Post Fort Hood -- No Surprise Here
Commented Nov 12, 2009 at 02:03:56 in Politics
“If you can call a police state progress...”
Handgun Crowd Returns Fire Post Fort Hood -- No Surprise Here
Commented Nov 12, 2009 at 01:52:21 in Politics
“Mixing bleach and ammonia can get you one of three different toxic gases, depending on the ratio of the mixture: chlorine, hydrazine, or nitrogen trichloride. The latter being explosive as well as a toxic.”
djcrsn replied on Nov 12, 2009 at 05:28:13
“very nasty no matter what the result”
Handgun Crowd Returns Fire Post Fort Hood -- No Surprise Here
Commented Nov 12, 2009 at 00:02:05 in Politics
“If, that's your logic, why even bother calling the police? Just let the shooter kill himself.”
Handgun Crowd Returns Fire Post Fort Hood -- No Surprise Here
Commented Nov 11, 2009 at 18:50:29 in Politics
“It's not "way more effort".
In McVeigh's case, it was a matter of dumping two ingredients in a bunch of plastic trash cans, lighting a fuse, and running.”
In McVeigh's case, it was a matter of dumping two ingredients in a bunch of plastic trash cans, lighting a fuse, and running.”
Handgun Crowd Returns Fire Post Fort Hood -- No Surprise Here
Commented Nov 11, 2009 at 17:53:18 in Politics
“"Here's the difference: It takes some EFFORT to create bombs and a working knowledge of how chemicals work to gather all the materials then actually make it."
Not really.
Anyone with a high school education can build a bomb. Timothy McVeigh was a high school drop out and he built a fairly powerful bomb with little effort. And with the proliferation of the internet, it's even easier. I've seen on a certain video sharing website a walk through for the manufacture of acetone peroxide, a fairly dangerous high explosive. With a gun, you have to have some modicum of skill and quite a bit of time in order to get the same body count you can get with one, small, well placed bomb.
That is why to this day, the deadliest massacres in American history have all been committed with explosives and accelerants, not guns.”
Not really.
Anyone with a high school education can build a bomb. Timothy McVeigh was a high school drop out and he built a fairly powerful bomb with little effort. And with the proliferation of the internet, it's even easier. I've seen on a certain video sharing website a walk through for the manufacture of acetone peroxide, a fairly dangerous high explosive. With a gun, you have to have some modicum of skill and quite a bit of time in order to get the same body count you can get with one, small, well placed bomb.
That is why to this day, the deadliest massacres in American history have all been committed with explosives and accelerants, not guns.”
JuliaRain replied on Nov 11, 2009 at 18:28:02
“Hello? Still takes way more effort to build a bomb and set it than to shoot a gun. We already know bombs are illegal.”
Handgun Crowd Returns Fire Post Fort Hood -- No Surprise Here
Commented Nov 11, 2009 at 16:45:06 in Politics
“You might as well ban Home Depots, because I can buy everything I need there to build firearms, ammunition, explosives, and various chemical weapons.”
It's the Guns, Stupid: Why Handguns Remain One of the Biggest Threats To Homeland Security
Commented Nov 10, 2009 at 02:45:16 in Politics
“" Most prominent among these attacks was the siege in Mumbai, India, which claimed 173 lives (including six Americans).
I no longer wonder "if" a Mumbai-style attack will occur in the U.S. Absent the implementation of serious gun control measures, I now ask "when"?"
Yet India has gun control laws that would make New Jersey look like a Libertarian paradise. Gun control is not going to prevent a Mumbai-style terrorist attack in the US. Terrorists, like all criminals, operate outside the law. Any law preventing a terrorist from purchasing a gun through legal channels will only push him to purchase one through the various illegal channels.”
I no longer wonder "if" a Mumbai-style attack will occur in the U.S. Absent the implementation of serious gun control measures, I now ask "when"?"
Yet India has gun control laws that would make New Jersey look like a Libertarian paradise. Gun control is not going to prevent a Mumbai-style terrorist attack in the US. Terrorists, like all criminals, operate outside the law. Any law preventing a terrorist from purchasing a gun through legal channels will only push him to purchase one through the various illegal channels.”
OdinsEye replied on Nov 10, 2009 at 15:07:01
“"I no longer wonder "if" a Mumbai-style attack will occur in the U.S. "
Consider that the Mumbai attackers attacked a largely unarmed group of people.”
Consider that the Mumbai attackers attacked a largely unarmed group of people.”
What is the "Message" Behind Increased Gun Sales?
Commented Nov 09, 2009 at 00:28:36 in Politics
“What Grits means is that no one has given him the answer he wants to hear.”
djcrsn replied on Nov 09, 2009 at 11:32:19
“from the looks of it josh, grits and lee are the only fetishists here”
OdinsEye replied on Nov 09, 2009 at 02:38:26
“Pretty much hit the nail on the head with that one..”
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