“The electoral college has zero to do with anything meaningful in the context of this conversation. Your own statement is refreshingly free of facts, I'll note.”
dim on Dec 10, 2013 at 09:22:31
“PS Ever notice how there are no ballot initiatives at the Federal level?”
dim on Dec 10, 2013 at 09:14:39
“Thanks for your note. Here's a fact for you. Not a single vote I cast ever tipped an election. Here's another. We only have a choice of two parties, who are allowed to disagree only within specified parameters. It wasn't a coincidence that Romney and Obama essentially agreed on foreign policy during their last debate.
That's 2 facts to your 0 so far. If you respond with "oh, please" - I am outta here.”
“You ARE the government. Quit abdicating responsibility.”
satta60 on Dec 10, 2013 at 01:40:50
“I withdrew my consent from this government a long, long time ago. Apparently the government does not recognize my assertion of individual sovereignty because it keeps using my labor to pay for bombing innocent people overseas, imprisoning innocent people in this country, paying off its corporate cronies, reading our email, and recording our phone calls. I suppose I could try to stop being a material accomplice to this immoral enterprise, but as we know, government has compelling incentives, including imprisonment and death, to keep its citizens in compliance with its wishes. I suppose I'll just keep religiously filling in those lovely ballots in the hope that something changes. Sigh.”
psileste on Dec 9, 2013 at 22:59:32
“If you don't understand how our power has been diluted to nothing, you have abdicated the responsibility to inform yourself.”
ThePeoriaKid on Dec 9, 2013 at 22:17:33
“You really believe that, don't you?
Washington is just a "show" to make you believe you still have choices.
Trust me, You don't. Those were sold LONG ago.
We're just minions in an Animal Farm.”
oneifbylandman2 on Dec 9, 2013 at 22:15:41
“Do you mean the ones who voted for 'Change?' LOL!”
PickedName on Dec 9, 2013 at 22:12:44
“Undoubtedly the best thing anybody will say on this topic. Bravo.”
dim on Dec 9, 2013 at 22:10:29
“I can't recall a single time my vote tipped an election.”
UCBAlum on Dec 9, 2013 at 22:05:44
“Not exactly. We are not a direct democracy. We even have an "electoral college" in case citizens get out of control.”
“Meanwhile, the REAL threat to you freedom ramrods yet another ALEC initiative through your legislature.
They have you just where they want you. Chasing geese while they devour your future. You might be interested to know that these measures were passed under the political system they paid for in the 2000s and which were curtailed by the Obama administration. Nah, you wouldn't want to know that. It's easier to imagine you are fighting the thing from the outside rather than being an integral comment of that thing.”
“Hang on, that's not what it means. It means "In the form of humans." In my statement, I was using it to mean exactly what you expressed. Mine was not a positive statement about humans. I was talking about projecting human motivations and morality onto animals. I'm pretty sure if we talked for a bit we would discover we're on the same page in this regard.”
“It's not an approach. I am paying pretty close attention. I am an independent actor (though I vote pretty far to the left and I put my money, literally, where my mouth is). Can you actually articulate an example? If you have a good one, you're going to explain it not just crutch a link?”
KLindg on Dec 5, 2013 at 13:59:56
“Still using the "if you don't know about it, it didn't happen" approach I see...”
“I agree there must be land left wild. Lots of it, and interconnected.
That said, I'm not going to begrudge the Fox his friend. Who are you to say? Maybe you're exerting a false pressure that is also equally anthropomorphic?”
Inkosi on Dec 5, 2013 at 11:26:15
“I hate that word - "anthropomorphic". Animals really do have feelings, memories and emotions.”
Rosewren on Dec 4, 2013 at 20:22:31
“There have been many fine friendships documented of a tame domesticated animal being friends with a wild creature. The first that comes to mind is the cat who played with an owl in a field or the cat that made friends with a crow. These friendships just happen sometimes so who are we to judge.”
“They're saving the links in case they need them. They find the links by far more focused analysis. They're not really sci-fi "listening for keywords" on more than a handful of people who they consider suspicious, or 3 degrees related to suspicious. As you correctly note, they don't have the resources for that.”
“Can you name one? I know it happened, and it's regrettable, but can you name one after the 2008 and the 2010 reviews?”
cybolt on Dec 4, 2013 at 20:59:27
“I'm not sure if I understand what you mean by "... the 2008 and 2010 reviews."
Nonetheless, I'm not saying that those specific acts of targeting a group are ongoing. What I mean is that the government continues to move along this path of increased intrusion into our lives. It's no longer a single group. Via cameras and phones and computers and TVs and credit cards, they have tabs on everything everyone does and everywhere they go. All of us.
BTW, those NSA computers don't just record locations, they record conversations. And from those conversations (where an innocuous comment or two can be misinterpreted or taken literally rather than figuratively) the computer itself can build a profile, the accuracy of which is subjective Mash it all together and - unbeknownst to you - you have become categorized.
These are facts, not suppositions and we as US citizens are on the slipperiest of slopes.”
If you do, maybe you should point out a case of persecution. One? Not even one?”
Pete A Lund on Dec 4, 2013 at 19:06:26
“so you are cool with it? I think I am also. But I don't see the practical application of this overwhelming data mining....don't you think there would be too much stuff to sift thru? Serious question, Im no tech expert, but it would seem that even with "keyword" filters, you couldn't get at anything in a timely fashion...whats your thoughts, cuz again, Im not a high tech expert.....do you think they are able to gain access to timely info?”
cybolt on Dec 4, 2013 at 19:05:31
“Easy... it's simply moving along the continuum that started post nine-eleven, when so many innocent Americans of Middle Eastern descent were rousted, had their computers and belongings seized, their mosques bugged, were falsely jayled, etc.”
jj-777 on Dec 4, 2013 at 18:58:53
“None would ever come up, because all the data, the methods and reasons for gathering data are secret.
Just remember when J Edgar had this kind of power. He didn't use it for good, he used it for his own nefarious ends. We already know of some NSA people doing the same - spying on ex-girlfriends. How would we ever know if intelligence bigwigs are using this data to blackmail our congress members or even the president? We don't. Given the history of this type of thing, one must assume Obama is being blackmailed just as every president under Hoover was.
That should be a problem for you. If not, then, go back to sleep. Nevermind, you still are.”
“Show me an example of an American being tracked without being called from overseas? And then, show me it wasn't metadata covered by a court order for Americans Citizens. Then show me a single American that has been prose/perse-cuted for it?
You guys are really something. Your ideology isn't the only consideration.”
KLindg on Dec 4, 2013 at 19:14:57
“Oh, I see... The Mike Rogers approach... If I don't know Im being spied on without my knowledge, Im not being spied on right?
"Then show me a single American that has been prose/perse-cuted for it?"
Umm, we already know the NSA's spying has been used to seed criminal investigations, which is
“So you're skeptical without evidence? Guess what that's worth?”
tlsgwm on Dec 4, 2013 at 00:58:49
“The evidence (your word selection, not mine) is right there. If you choose to ignore it, then that's on you. For example, where is the video of the artist actually making these finger strokes? All we see is the time-lapse video of the results.
Nice try at deflection but it didn't work. I called you out on your nonsense about equating skepticism with hating and so you resorted to this little trick rather than conceding and admitting your mistake.”
“No. And sometimes people forget a frame or two. I just don't get the 5% of you folks that have to hate on everything. I really don't. There are just as many positive invented explanations as negative. Do you REALLY have a reason to question it? Like any actual evidence by someone who knows what they're actually talking about?”
tlsgwm on Dec 3, 2013 at 20:44:53
“Having a skeptical eye, so to speak, doesn't imply "hating" as you put it. It certainly is plausible that the whole thing is a hoax, perhaps even as some part of a marketing plan. Notice the credits that were given right at the start? I'm not saying that by itself means that is nothing more than some sort of marketing scheme, but rather it is just another element to consider. Dismissing those who have doubts about the authenticity of the work, as presented, as simply haters, is an unfair assertion to make, imho.
Again, I hope someone that has expertise, actual expertise, in this area chimes in at some point. I am curious.
By the by, did you see when the red part of they eye was colored in or not?”