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Is Mike Huckabee Culpable?
Commented Dec 03, 2009 at 01:08:02 in Politics
“"Excellent piece once again, Mr. Schaeffer."
Same goes to you, Fogbelter.”
Same goes to you, Fogbelter.”
Obama's Unavoidable Cure for the Afghanistan Cancer
Commented Dec 02, 2009 at 23:30:36 in World
“"You act like the USA CARES"
Excuse me?
You have no idea how and what I feel and obviously haven't read many of my posts around here either.
My heart has been breaking over these obscenities for probably longer than you've been alive - and I know lots of good folks here on HP who care deeply with their whole hearts and souls.
So get a hold of yourself and stop attacking and insulting the very people who share your anguish and are trying to do whatever they can to make things better.”
Excuse me?
You have no idea how and what I feel and obviously haven't read many of my posts around here either.
My heart has been breaking over these obscenities for probably longer than you've been alive - and I know lots of good folks here on HP who care deeply with their whole hearts and souls.
So get a hold of yourself and stop attacking and insulting the very people who share your anguish and are trying to do whatever they can to make things better.”
research replied on Dec 03, 2009 at 00:58:44
“You are not the USA.
The empire that is the USA does not care, don't take it personally.”
The empire that is the USA does not care, don't take it personally.”
Obama's Unavoidable Cure for the Afghanistan Cancer
Commented Dec 02, 2009 at 22:56:38 in World
“Refreshing, to say the least, and like you, I make no pretense to knowing what should be done to resolve this nightmare.
You are also among the very very few who even seem to notice how many others we have implicated in our war - often while our leaders were acting in less than good faith.Thank you for reminding us.”
You are also among the very very few who even seem to notice how many others we have implicated in our war - often while our leaders were acting in less than good faith.Thank you for reminding us.”
Obama's Unavoidable Cure for the Afghanistan Cancer
Commented Dec 02, 2009 at 22:25:14 in World
“Agreed "squeezed".
Thank you (and Bob) for articulating what so many of us are feeling. I know I certainly share your painful ambivilance. But given the disaster he inherited, the least we can do is give him a chance to make the best of this heartwrenching "situation."
Bob Cesca always makes me feel better too with his wit and wisdom and way with words.”
Thank you (and Bob) for articulating what so many of us are feeling. I know I certainly share your painful ambivilance. But given the disaster he inherited, the least we can do is give him a chance to make the best of this heartwrenching "situation."
Bob Cesca always makes me feel better too with his wit and wisdom and way with words.”
Obama's Unavoidable Cure for the Afghanistan Cancer
Commented Dec 02, 2009 at 22:07:03 in World
“Are we insane?
Yes, Banana, the definitive answer is "Yes, We Are (insane.)"
As Cambridge9 has said (as well as at least five generations of women in my Mother's family) [paraphrase - there are dozens of slight variations]
"You'll win a lot more hearts with honey than with vinegar."”
Yes, Banana, the definitive answer is "Yes, We Are (insane.)"
As Cambridge9 has said (as well as at least five generations of women in my Mother's family) [paraphrase - there are dozens of slight variations]
"You'll win a lot more hearts with honey than with vinegar."”
Obama's Unavoidable Cure for the Afghanistan Cancer
Commented Dec 02, 2009 at 20:38:04 in World
“I wouldn't dare because I agree with you. It will end badly. And it is small comfort that some "bads" (I would call it/them EVIL) are worse than others, I guess.
What would YOU do, Research? (Please know I am not being snarky or sarcastic) And what do you think would happen if we could follow your plan? God, I wish I could see some way out of this that won't have devastatingly BAD outcome.”
What would YOU do, Research? (Please know I am not being snarky or sarcastic) And what do you think would happen if we could follow your plan? God, I wish I could see some way out of this that won't have devastatingly BAD outcome.”
research replied on Dec 02, 2009 at 21:53:06
“Outlaw Contributions.”
research replied on Dec 02, 2009 at 21:48:44
“The present situation IS "devastating consequences".
You act like the USA CARES.
The USE is a corrupt war mongering plutocracy, for sale to the highest bidder: Basters and War profiteers win.
Let the veils fall from your eyes.
The USA Tortures, goes to war for profit, spies on it's citizens. The USA's CIA topples democracy around the world, and creates enough blow back to keep the war profiteers fat forever.
Meanwhile Our citizens are dying from poverty!!!!!!!!!!!!!! and our banksters are getting golden toilet bonuses, obscene!
What kind of nation does that sound like to you?
Disillusionment is the path to enlightenment.
Face it.
Wake Up!”
You act like the USA CARES.
The USE is a corrupt war mongering plutocracy, for sale to the highest bidder: Basters and War profiteers win.
Let the veils fall from your eyes.
The USA Tortures, goes to war for profit, spies on it's citizens. The USA's CIA topples democracy around the world, and creates enough blow back to keep the war profiteers fat forever.
Meanwhile Our citizens are dying from poverty!!!!!!!!!!!!!! and our banksters are getting golden toilet bonuses, obscene!
What kind of nation does that sound like to you?
Disillusionment is the path to enlightenment.
Face it.
Wake Up!”
research replied on Dec 02, 2009 at 20:46:40
“Get the Hell out.
Vietnam was much better a decade after we left.
We need to outlaw all contributions.
Till then, we do what big money wants.
Our citizens are dying in poverty!
We have no money for WAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!”
Vietnam was much better a decade after we left.
We need to outlaw all contributions.
Till then, we do what big money wants.
Our citizens are dying in poverty!
We have no money for WAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!”
Obama's Unavoidable Cure for the Afghanistan Cancer
Commented Dec 02, 2009 at 18:38:47 in World
“"Hobson's Choice: a bad option versus no choice at all."
Matt is telling it like it is - and when nuclear weapons are involved - it's not as easy as just saying "I've had enough, I'm going home."
And Bob Cesca has captured the reality confronting Obama (and US as a nation) with a passionate yet precise prose that makes the medicine easier to swallow - because in a sick way (like cancer and chemo) it somehow kind of makes sense.
And I say that as a two time (so far) cancer "survivor" - who understands the hopes and agonies of having to make drastic decisions and take enormously Calculated Risks....
I hate this. I hate how and why we got here in the first place. And I hate that this appears to be the best (most hopeful) way out of a bottomless pit.”
Matt is telling it like it is - and when nuclear weapons are involved - it's not as easy as just saying "I've had enough, I'm going home."
And Bob Cesca has captured the reality confronting Obama (and US as a nation) with a passionate yet precise prose that makes the medicine easier to swallow - because in a sick way (like cancer and chemo) it somehow kind of makes sense.
And I say that as a two time (so far) cancer "survivor" - who understands the hopes and agonies of having to make drastic decisions and take enormously Calculated Risks....
I hate this. I hate how and why we got here in the first place. And I hate that this appears to be the best (most hopeful) way out of a bottomless pit.”
research replied on Dec 02, 2009 at 19:49:59
“Driving terrorists from powerless Afghanistan into nuclear armed Pakistan Makes even LESS sense!!!!!”
Obama's Unavoidable Cure for the Afghanistan Cancer
Commented Dec 02, 2009 at 18:11:45 in World
“True enough... That's why we have a moral and ethical responsibility to make sure the true story of these two Bush-Cheney Wars is never "revisioned" or forgotten.”
Hey, Handgun Fans: These Gun Victims Were Heavily Armed
Commented Dec 02, 2009 at 08:46:21 in Politics
“No more than you are implying that gun "accidents" and tragedies are too rare to be a matter of concern.”
Hey, Handgun Fans: These Gun Victims Were Heavily Armed
Commented Dec 02, 2009 at 08:44:04 in Politics
“In truth, the more a person is familiar with and truly understands firearms, the more they respect their deadly potential and the less chauvinistic, callous, dismissive and smug they are about it.”
OdinsEye replied on Dec 02, 2009 at 11:14:33
“You fail to refute anything I have said. BTW, as a retired military combat veteran, current LEO, certified law enforcement and civilian arms instructor, and certified armorer, I'll put my knowledge and understanding of firearms up againt just about anyone. I may not be an Ed Ezell or Ian Hogg, but I am pretty good.”
Hey, Handgun Fans: These Gun Victims Were Heavily Armed
Commented Dec 02, 2009 at 08:40:01 in Politics
“"That a gun is capable of killing is not the point." - True, the gun's intended purpose is to kill.
Cars can kill too, so can taking a shower, eating spoiled food or a poison mushroom can kill, cold or hot weather can kill. But in none of these cases is the intended or proper "use" specifically designed to kill.
And when a gun is pointed at you (whether in anger, fear, or to "force" a specific action/response) - the odds of that gun discharging are significantly increased.”
Cars can kill too, so can taking a shower, eating spoiled food or a poison mushroom can kill, cold or hot weather can kill. But in none of these cases is the intended or proper "use" specifically designed to kill.
And when a gun is pointed at you (whether in anger, fear, or to "force" a specific action/response) - the odds of that gun discharging are significantly increased.”
OdinsEye replied on Dec 02, 2009 at 11:10:04
“"True, the gun's intended purpose is to kill."
If so, 99.9999% of them are being misused.
Ever see a Hammerli 160/162? One look at it will tell you it is not intended to kill.
The intent is to propel a projectile at a target with a degree of accuracy. The purpose of propellin g that projectile is entirely up to the owner/operator. I have numerous firearms whose sole purpose is to poke holes in paper, break clay discs, and knock down gongs and poppers.
"Cars can kill too, so can taking a shower, eating spoiled food or a poison mushroom can kill, cold or hot weather can kill. But in none of these cases is the intended or proper "use" specifically designed to kill."
That the supposedly benign purposed vehicles are involved in more injuries and injury deaths than these allegedly malevolent purposed firearms speaks pretty darn poorly for vehicles.”
If so, 99.9999% of them are being misused.
Ever see a Hammerli 160/162? One look at it will tell you it is not intended to kill.
The intent is to propel a projectile at a target with a degree of accuracy. The purpose of propellin g that projectile is entirely up to the owner/operator. I have numerous firearms whose sole purpose is to poke holes in paper, break clay discs, and knock down gongs and poppers.
"Cars can kill too, so can taking a shower, eating spoiled food or a poison mushroom can kill, cold or hot weather can kill. But in none of these cases is the intended or proper "use" specifically designed to kill."
That the supposedly benign purposed vehicles are involved in more injuries and injury deaths than these allegedly malevolent purposed firearms speaks pretty darn poorly for vehicles.”
Hey, Handgun Fans: These Gun Victims Were Heavily Armed
Commented Dec 02, 2009 at 01:07:37 in Politics
“Agreed, Dreamer. Thanks for being a refreshing voice in this mostly dismal display of NRA talking points.”
Dimensio replied on Dec 02, 2009 at 02:40:47
“Have you any rational, logically valid, argument to offer?”
Hey, Handgun Fans: These Gun Victims Were Heavily Armed
Commented Dec 02, 2009 at 01:04:17 in Politics
“Write on Dreamer Weaver! Today (and this one) seems particularly bad!
There seems to be a dangerous shortage of common sense these days. Sigh.”
There seems to be a dangerous shortage of common sense these days. Sigh.”
Some Revolutions are Revolting
Commented Dec 02, 2009 at 00:22:46 in Politics
“Ironically, when we wage wars or otherwise seek "regime change" - we always say what we are want to see is a liberal government with transparency. Hmmm.
Maybe we'd have better luck if we tried leading by example instead of "winning" through brutal force, torture and terror.
You'll never win any hearts and minds using piss and vinegar...”
Maybe we'd have better luck if we tried leading by example instead of "winning" through brutal force, torture and terror.
You'll never win any hearts and minds using piss and vinegar...”
Hey, Handgun Fans: These Gun Victims Were Heavily Armed
Commented Dec 01, 2009 at 19:06:34 in Politics
“Write on Cambridge9! And I wish I'd read your threads (here the early ones) before I got in to it with a bunch of the boys making love (read hate) with their TOYS!
(Why waste time with paranoid NRA junkies who believe you need a collection of AK-47s to go duck hunting - though when you're around "hunters" like this - it's imperative that YOU duck!)
I got clobbered this morning by a gang of gun-slingers who insist that "anecdotes" are all FACTS! And that if you can find and provide a "supporting" link - you have God and Truth on your side....
Oh - I've been meaning to tell you that we share the same religion:
"I'm agnostic but (my late husband was a church goer.) My 'religion' has always been -" the green fields, the open skies and everything in and on them - along with the Golden Rule."”
(Why waste time with paranoid NRA junkies who believe you need a collection of AK-47s to go duck hunting - though when you're around "hunters" like this - it's imperative that YOU duck!)
I got clobbered this morning by a gang of gun-slingers who insist that "anecdotes" are all FACTS! And that if you can find and provide a "supporting" link - you have God and Truth on your side....
Oh - I've been meaning to tell you that we share the same religion:
"I'm agnostic but (my late husband was a church goer.) My 'religion' has always been -" the green fields, the open skies and everything in and on them - along with the Golden Rule."”
Cambridge9 replied on Dec 01, 2009 at 21:36:29
“Oh, by the way - these duck hunters might just want to go 'duck hunting' with our ex-Veep. He managed to shoot someone in the face, and then had the victim apologize for being in the wrong place. Remember that one??
Goodnight!”
Goodnight!”
Cambridge9 replied on Dec 01, 2009 at 21:32:00
“Good evening, my friend! How are you tonight?
I agree, all the gunslingers have been out in force today. Venom unleashed towards the 'un-brainwashed'. Don't take it to heart, Cowboys will be cowBOYS - and they need to show their might.
I was just watching our Commander in Chief's explanation of his Afghanistan policy - at West Point (in a beautiful part of New York State). He said something that I thought fit the discussion on this particular thread. I have to paraphrase because the text of the speech hasn't been posted yet.
He expressed the idea that -
"this country's peace and security will not come only from the use of force - but from those who work to AVOID using that force."
I have always believed that you get much more accomplished by offering a spoonful of honey rather than a spoonful of vinegar.
Have a good night and wake up refreshed. I'm going now to take a nice long soak in my jacuzzi tub. It was a 'luxury' I gave myself when I moved to Maine eleven years ago. My favorite time to soak is when we are in the middle of a winter blizzard. I take my book and a mug of tea. One of my cats still comes to sit on the side of the tub and play with the bubbles - even though he fell in a few years ago. That was interesting!”
I agree, all the gunslingers have been out in force today. Venom unleashed towards the 'un-brainwashed'. Don't take it to heart, Cowboys will be cowBOYS - and they need to show their might.
I was just watching our Commander in Chief's explanation of his Afghanistan policy - at West Point (in a beautiful part of New York State). He said something that I thought fit the discussion on this particular thread. I have to paraphrase because the text of the speech hasn't been posted yet.
He expressed the idea that -
"this country's peace and security will not come only from the use of force - but from those who work to AVOID using that force."
I have always believed that you get much more accomplished by offering a spoonful of honey rather than a spoonful of vinegar.
Have a good night and wake up refreshed. I'm going now to take a nice long soak in my jacuzzi tub. It was a 'luxury' I gave myself when I moved to Maine eleven years ago. My favorite time to soak is when we are in the middle of a winter blizzard. I take my book and a mug of tea. One of my cats still comes to sit on the side of the tub and play with the bubbles - even though he fell in a few years ago. That was interesting!”
Hey, Handgun Fans: These Gun Victims Were Heavily Armed
Commented Dec 01, 2009 at 18:09:05 in Politics
“"Anecdotes are not facts. The very definition of trhe word makes this clear.
For example, Ronnie Reagan told the anecdote about welfare queens driving Cadillacs."
Thank you Prayforroy,
I was beginning to feel like I was the lone the victim of a NRA firing squad, even if (for now) they were only firing blanks...”
For example, Ronnie Reagan told the anecdote about welfare queens driving Cadillacs."
Thank you Prayforroy,
I was beginning to feel like I was the lone the victim of a NRA firing squad, even if (for now) they were only firing blanks...”
OdinsEye replied on Dec 01, 2009 at 18:40:16
“Jade (AKA prayforroy) routines uses anecdotes as facts.
Jade also tries to use anecdotes to try to prove statistics and has been taken to task for it numerous times.
Jade could also use a dictionary.”
Jade also tries to use anecdotes to try to prove statistics and has been taken to task for it numerous times.
Jade could also use a dictionary.”
Hey, Handgun Fans: These Gun Victims Were Heavily Armed
Commented Dec 01, 2009 at 10:15:07 in Politics
“From a realistic standpoint, there is no way to prove or disprove that socalled "statistic".
There's also no way to verify what percent of crimes can be linked to those gun show purchased guns.”
There's also no way to verify what percent of crimes can be linked to those gun show purchased guns.”
1will replied on Dec 01, 2009 at 14:06:24
“Why not? When a gun is recovered from a crime scene it's easy enough to do a trace. If they gun has not been reported stolen then the previous owner should be able to say where and when it left his possession.”
mike102 replied on Dec 01, 2009 at 10:37:23
“Did you read the DOJ page? It the Dept. of Justice. Do you think they are just making this up?
Who would you believe, Bill Mann?”
Who would you believe, Bill Mann?”
Hey, Handgun Fans: These Gun Victims Were Heavily Armed
Commented Dec 01, 2009 at 10:09:32 in Politics
“That's true - and if you are determined to kill - you don't need a gun to do. People have been killed with the most innocent and innocuous "weapons" the human imagination can come up with.
I refer to the many instances* that do not start out as pre-meditated murders - but as something else that escalates - and the presence of guns make it easy for a minor dispute to become deadly
* (and no I won't quote somebody else's real or made up "numbers" when common sense is quite compelling - and there a many anecdotes out there as well!)”
I refer to the many instances* that do not start out as pre-meditated murders - but as something else that escalates - and the presence of guns make it easy for a minor dispute to become deadly
* (and no I won't quote somebody else's real or made up "numbers" when common sense is quite compelling - and there a many anecdotes out there as well!)”
DreamerWeaver replied on Dec 02, 2009 at 01:16:25
“Jesster:
Yes, we are new friends and I offer refreshment whenever I can and on this day of more war, I hope for peace. You are good to know.
I like the way you say: Write on! You too.”
Yes, we are new friends and I offer refreshment whenever I can and on this day of more war, I hope for peace. You are good to know.
I like the way you say: Write on! You too.”
OdinsEye replied on Dec 01, 2009 at 23:08:22
“Common sense is not necessarily good sense. Yet we constant see the gun control camp appeal to "common sense".”
OdinsEye replied on Dec 01, 2009 at 23:03:23
“Common sense is not necessarily good sense. Yet we constantly see the gun control camp appeal to "common sense".”
DreamerWeaver replied on Dec 01, 2009 at 22:36:56
“Jesster:
Yes, "common sense is quite compelling." If only it wasn't so uncommon on these threads.”
Yes, "common sense is quite compelling." If only it wasn't so uncommon on these threads.”
Hey, Handgun Fans: These Gun Victims Were Heavily Armed
Commented Dec 01, 2009 at 10:04:41 in Politics
“I haven't used or mention ANY numbers - but you have - and even a link doesn't prove anything. ("The devil can cite scripture to serve his own purposes." - not suggesting you or anyone posting here are devilish or satanic...)”
DreamerWeaver replied on Dec 01, 2009 at 22:52:51
“Jesster:
I am your latest fan!
This is quite a place to attempt discussion. It won't work.
Surreal, I know. I admire you for hanging in with reasonable, responsible comments. But your reception was such that discourages most people, and no one comes back to the "gun" blogs. Which is too bad because they need some fresh air.
I hope to see more of you.
Your fan.”
I am your latest fan!
This is quite a place to attempt discussion. It won't work.
Surreal, I know. I admire you for hanging in with reasonable, responsible comments. But your reception was such that discourages most people, and no one comes back to the "gun" blogs. Which is too bad because they need some fresh air.
I hope to see more of you.
Your fan.”
Dimensio replied on Dec 01, 2009 at 13:44:47
“"I haven't used or mention ANY numbers"
Then your position is supported by no data and, as such, is of no merit.”
Then your position is supported by no data and, as such, is of no merit.”
Hey, Handgun Fans: These Gun Victims Were Heavily Armed
Commented Dec 01, 2009 at 10:01:39 in Politics
“"This particular, previously 'law abiding' citizen has a list of prior felonies as long as your arm, including child rape and assaulting a police officer."
That would make him a criminal, right. So when did he "legally" obtain his gun? Sometime before he was 8?”
That would make him a criminal, right. So when did he "legally" obtain his gun? Sometime before he was 8?”
mike102 replied on Dec 01, 2009 at 10:13:37
“He did not "legally" obtain his gun at all, so what's your point?”
Hey, Handgun Fans: These Gun Victims Were Heavily Armed
Commented Dec 01, 2009 at 09:57:34 in Politics
“NO one is suggesting that police should not carry guns, nor that othesr should not be allowed to under appropriate circumstances. Just pointing out that arming people is not the end all and be all solution the NRA and it's followers claim it is.”
MycroftHolmes28 replied on Dec 02, 2009 at 21:09:00
“"NO one is suggesting that police should not carry guns"
Except for the Messiah's "drug Czar" Gil Kerlikowski.
Go to youtube and search for "intelligience squared do guns reduce crime" debate.
Helmke is in the debate as well and rips cops' ability to use guns effectively.”
Except for the Messiah's "drug Czar" Gil Kerlikowski.
Go to youtube and search for "intelligience squared do guns reduce crime" debate.
Helmke is in the debate as well and rips cops' ability to use guns effectively.”
djcrsn replied on Dec 01, 2009 at 10:54:01
“but the gun bans this particular blogger is advocating have been resounding failures in DC and Chicago”
mike102 replied on Dec 01, 2009 at 10:44:22
“What do you suggest people use, harsh language?”
Hey, Handgun Fans: These Gun Victims Were Heavily Armed
Commented Dec 01, 2009 at 09:43:15 in Politics
“No one said the event or incident was real or even happened and in anyway - 100 people can witness the same scene and each have a different impression of what they think they saw.”
Hey, Handgun Fans: These Gun Victims Were Heavily Armed
Commented Dec 01, 2009 at 09:35:19 in Politics
“Again, I merely noted that recessions have a tendency to make every bad even worse - especially in densely populated urban areas. My point is that there are too many variable to make a simple statement (especially as if it were a "fact".) that gun bans (or no bans) are the only (or main) decisive factor.”
Rumble in Little Rhody: Patrick Kennedy Takes On The Bishop And The Church's Moral Myopia
Commented Dec 01, 2009 at 09:10:57 in Politics
“Mikefina, you make some thoughtful point that deserve thoughtful responses. (I too appreciate your respectful tone and sense you speak (write) with heartfelt conviction. So, I will continue our dialogue as soon as I have time to do so with proper consideration.”
Hey, Handgun Fans: These Gun Victims Were Heavily Armed
Commented Dec 01, 2009 at 08:58:14 in Politics
“Amen Marnie1.
Too many people have no regard for what we have callously come to call "collateral damage" :
"Hey! Yay! We took out that suspected terrorist! So what if that meant killing all of his his friends, family and children... "Stuff Happens!" ...”
Too many people have no regard for what we have callously come to call "collateral damage" :
"Hey! Yay! We took out that suspected terrorist! So what if that meant killing all of his his friends, family and children... "Stuff Happens!" ...”
Dimensio replied on Dec 01, 2009 at 13:41:20
“"Too many people have no regard for what we have callously come to call "collateral damage" :
"Hey! Yay! We took out that suspected terrorist! So what if that meant killing all of his his friends, family and children... "Stuff Happens!" ..."
Can you relate your comment to demonstrable reality?”
"Hey! Yay! We took out that suspected terrorist! So what if that meant killing all of his his friends, family and children... "Stuff Happens!" ..."
Can you relate your comment to demonstrable reality?”
mike102 replied on Dec 01, 2009 at 09:44:28
“I assume you do not have an actual example of this happoening, or surely you would have provoded a link.”
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