“1. Life is not a game. And whether or not you believe in an afterlife, I don't know of many religions that battle you against your attacker as to who goes to heaven based on you're opposing "scores". And by the way, most religions that you're mentioning have those shady little provisions that offer hope of salvation, after death, to those who do wrong.
2. You don't score intellectual points for referencing Eastern philosophy.
3. Your argument is a "loose loose" proposition. It's loosely based in naiveté, and loosely based in a misinterpretation of "right versus wrong".”
“Amazing number of comments here. I figured I'd direct any new ones to this conversation which yes, I'm involved in, but I am finding very interesting. I don't care which side you're on, I'd love to hear your opinion. I'm making a new post because this overall conversation is incredibly active.
“That said, some of it is a completely reasonable fear that a Democrat (mostly anti-gun) who's voting history is (mostly anti-gun), being the President of a (mostly Democratic) congress. And, mostly, that fear is (entirely unfounded).
Over use of parenthesis intended as comical.
Why? Well, like I stated above; there's a lot more at stake in the 2016 elections than trying to rush through partisan legislation just prior. I don't see this becoming a legitimate concern for DECADES. If ever. If any serious legislation starts to gain momentum it'll be crushed or reversed almost immediately.
Those of you who would "sleep better at night" knowing that non-criminals lost all access to guns have a poor perspective on how our possible futures play out. The 2nd Amendment is there to protect us from the worse case scenarios. Worse case scenarios that you'd agree were worse case scenarios. In that aspect, we have no disagreement. Your disagreements are with the nutjobs on the other side who also do not understand the 2nd Amendment's purpose.”
“Anyone operating under the "take back our country" mantra right now? Yes, I think most of it is due to race. No one took our country. If anything, we have the most control over our country as we've had in several years, if not decades. Being a black man with a "Muslim sounding name", Obama still managed to take a huge majority (modern-ly speaking) of the vote; in strong opposition to what now is reportedly a "strong opposition". Tons of leaked memos are begging members to refrain from racist statements. Is it based on racism? Tons of it. Probably most of it. Not all of it, but I agree.”
“It's your right to decide to not have a gun in your home.
Define an "assault weapon". And good luck with doing so without opening your eyes to how invasive such a ban would be.
You feel safe in the UK? Odd. Knife violence there is pretty scary. Dunno about you but I'd rather be shot in a non-vital than stabbed anywhere. But that's just a slightly sarcastic reply. No one wants to get hurt in any fashion. But violence committed by criminals aren't the issue here. Criminals without guns find other means to commit acts of terror. Non-criminal citizens have very few options. Guns are equalizers.
Permit laws? Permits are granted privileges. Rights are rights. I don't ask for rights, I simply have them.
Yes, my constitutional rights are entitlements. I don't deny that at all.
"Reasonable (gun) laws" are not in question here. The definition of "reasonable" , however, is.”
“Are you suggesting that Clinton was followed by a Democratic president? I said a multiple term serving Democratic president being followed up by another Democrat. I didn't forget anyone. That last happened in 1945. I did say two terms but that's the limit now. Anyway, Clinton was followed by Bush 1, who I am pretty sure was a Republican.”
“Do you people really think there are few or even NO intelligent Obama supporters that also support the 2nd amendment? I am so proud of my president and the work he's done, but I strongly disagree with him regarding gun control. By strongly disagree, I in no way mean violently; I just have a different opinion.
I hope Obama serves 2 terms and think he'll be viewed by history as one of our best Presidents ever. He's made no move to remove any of my rights. None!
I disagree, also strongly, with these demonstrations. I think the "no one got shot" mentality of a successful protest is ridiculous, and that it doesn't win anyone from the "other side". I'm completely against any hypothetical "assault weapon" ban, but I don't see one coming anytime soon.
But the comments here make me feel like most of you live in a fairytale worldview. I'm not worried about Obama taking my guns away. The 2016 elections will be the first time that (hopefully) a 2nd term Democratic president will be followed by another elected Democratic president since FDR in '45. Guns aren't going to be a topic even whispered. So these protests are in vain. But still, I don't understand why so many of you are anti-gun. I can only turn to the word "naivete" and suggest that many of you suffer from it's effects.”
Betty Perdun on Apr 20, 2010 at 00:20:01
“You're right - our president has made no move to remove anyone's rights. My question is this: do the gun enthusiasts really believe he's going after their guns or are they just using it as an excuse to foster "hate" for Obama because he is (do I dare say it) black? I happen to believe the latter. Obviously, you do like Obama as do many gun enthusiasts. You are also correct in stating that these protests are in vain. I have no problem with enthusiasts who hunt, skeet shoot, trap shoot or other recreatioinal activity. I do object to enthusiasts who attempt to intimidate fellow americans while wearing there guns strapped to their thighs at rallys. You've made a valid point with your post.”
Tazzie on Apr 19, 2010 at 23:43:26
“I'm not naive nor do I dislike guns. I've participated in sport shooting, just skeet and target. I don't want a gun in my home. I don't want to learn to use assault rifles. I don't see the need for them and don't think see how they are covered under the second amendment. I'm not for a total ban on guns like they have in the UK (although I feel safer when I travel there) but I see no reason for reasonable permit laws, child locks and an end to gun show loop holes. Frankly your assertion that people are naive because they are against violence demonstrates a level of arrogant naivete and entitlement.”
MJHammonds on Apr 19, 2010 at 23:39:47
“You forgot Clinton. Two terms.”
DaveyDavey on Apr 19, 2010 at 23:37:06
“I support the right of the people to carry guns. I just don't support the right of BRAIN-DEAD MORONS to carry guns.”
“I love this site and am VERY liberal on most issues. Regarding guns though, I favor the constitutional right of self protection. I am a responsible adult, a gun owner, and am licensed to carry concealed in my state.
Do guns kill people? Yup. Is it the easiest way for anyone from newborn to feeble elder to commit the heinous crime? Yup. It's a dangerous tool, no doubt. And in the wrong hands it can hammer down a powerful atrocity against humanity. But it is also an equalizer. It levels the playing field between an old man and a gang banger.
There's a 2nd amendment catchphrase that's very popular which goes : "when seconds count, the police are only minutes away". It's been proven that the police do not have a legal obligation to protect you. Crime happens; most can be avoided without bloodshed; the rest is up to you.
The judicial credo of "innocent until proven guilty"; that pleasantry is only a luxury we can afford in retrospect. During the course of the crime you have yourself and the person threatening harm. It's up to you to decide who survives such a threat.
To try and break your preconceived notions against my opinion; yes, I voted for Obama (gleefully) and continue to support him strongly.I protest the republican party and most of those who call themselves "conservatives". You'd probably be surprised to find out that one of the only things you and I don't agree on are guns.”