“If he had stuck his thumbs in his ears, while waving his fingers around, saying "na na na na boo boo" that would be immature.. Joe was actually being constructive with his comment, refraining from name calling and unsubstantiated judgements... I'm not sayin', I'm just sayin!”
“Since he is the President of the United States, why not use the constitution, as opposed to the bible...especially since that is the document he is suppose to uphold...To me that would mean more than him placing his hand on the bible... I'm not sayin', I'm just sayin!!!”
“If they are going to use their "morally straight" rule/law, as an excuse for not giving him his award, then why did they let him achieve it? According to the interview, members of his troop and leader, knew he was gay, so when they found out this information, why not ban him then and there... but they didn't, they let him continue and fulfill the requirements for the award, and then said Nope, sorry about your luck... ( I paraphrased the last 5 words, they probably didn't say "sorry")”
“You know someone posted to one of my comments the other day, saying that I'm slow... You know, I'm beginning to think that person was right... because I think I have been using the word "diverse/diversity" wrong all these years... esp after reading this article... could someone update me on the new meaning of the word? I just want to learn...”
Zippy1169 on Jan 8, 2013 at 19:50:30
“Diversity Acceptance = accepting many different types of people as long as you don't offend my religious principles (then I can discriminate all day long)”
“After reading the posts, people are going way too overboard with this ... Try thinking about it as a hypothetical situation(especially since it isn't the way things have evolved)... If god is the all powerful and if he wanted he could have made a man be the one that has the children... he could have rearranged the sex organs so that anyone could have kids just by touching thumbs together... This is all hypothetical... it's not suppose to be taken literal... just to make people think... so count to 10 and breathe!!! ( btw, this is just my thought on the subject)”
“Ok, let's just take a step back and try this again, from a different direction, What is your problem with THIS lady and what she did? (ONLY this lady and this article)(preferably 5 lines or less - I've already been called slow today) So please take a breath and count to 10 and then explain why this lady and her actions upset you... I truly do want to know... I like having information...”
“I do understand the hurt that has been done to the LGBT community, you obviously were blinded by your anger when you read my comment... I don't think that what she did was/is going to make everything better... but wouldn't you at least concede that it's a step in the right direction? That's my point... nothing is going to change without someone like this lady standing up to HER congregation and saying to them that what they are doing is wrong...So say thank you Ms LDS Lady for YOUR act of kindness... ”
LintLass on Jan 4, 2013 at 17:32:56
“Do you understand *why* I'm angry? I'm not *blind.* I'm looking square at what *still* makes me angry. Including your treatment of me right here.”
LintLass on Jan 4, 2013 at 17:31:43
“It's *not* an act of 'kindness,' either. It's an act of at *best* showing willing to not treat us quite as badly as their Church still funds. While trying to repackage it as 'building bridges' between people the LDS actively spends millions to harm even now, and people who remain *aggrieved.*”
LintLass on Jan 4, 2013 at 17:30:23
“No, calling me 'blinded by anger' doesn't mean I'm not *focusing on the point I made in the first place. I'm saying what I said to begin with: that acting like this is somehow a 'two way street' involving LGBT people only needing Mormons to rephrase more nicely is *ignoring the real harms done.* Whether it constitutes a 'step' that is intended to go further is irrelevant to the fact that this is non-apology and not at all, of itself, a step in the direction of any kind of restorative justice. The fact is, it's expecting a whole lot of image therapy, an accusation that LGBT people are baselessly biased against Mormon *people,* and claiming the only 'harm' that matters is not the ongoing efforts against our civil rights and human dignity, but merely some implied/projected 'perception' that LGBT people don't like 'Mormons' just cause they're Mormons.”
“See, I understand he's scared of what will be taught and why it is being taught... but My question is WHAT is it that this school wanted to put into the curriculum that got him so fired up in the first place...”
“no it does not dismiss any issue ... all she was doing was making a step in her life to start standing up for what she believes to be the right thing... I only know what I read in this article, but what I read tells me that SHE wanted to make a difference, and we need more of that... no it's not going to take away the hurt and pain that has been felt, but nothing will take away those scars, but maybe if more people were as strong as this lady, then maybe those scars could be smoothed down a bit... to my knowledge, she's not an elder, or a priest, or politician, She's just a mom trying to make a good example for her kids...”
LintLass on Jan 4, 2013 at 14:01:43
“Understand what I'm getting at there? They *are* dismissing the real issues and so are you: the real issues to us aren't some undeserved low opionion of Mormon *people*... the real issues are an as yet continuing legacy of legal oppression and spending vast resources to deny rights we still have, ...also the legacy of abusive attitudes toward their own LGBT kids, which we in the LGBT community see too often.
The real issue to us is doing what's possible to try and make right the wrongs dont to us: obviously no one can give us the years of our lives back, but they *could* be supporting our legal equality, yes, in marriage, donating to some of the charities for LGBT homeless youth that are struggling still, and basically doing more than claiming the only 'issue' is how *their* public image looks.”
LintLass on Jan 4, 2013 at 13:54:15
“You miss the point, she and you act like 'Gay people need to see not all Mormons think the same way' when that's not the premise by which we're aggrieved in the first place. It's what they do as institutions and organizations and followers of those institutions and dogmas.
And yes, what's described in this article, either from the LDS church or this group marching in pride parades, isn't one admitting what harm was done by the LDS to LGBT people for decades... And is still being done through the NOM mouthpiece they largely created and funded.
So it does dismiss what to LGBT people is the real issue. What's been and is being done to harm us. Acting like all of a sudden they need to 'build bridges' like LGBT people harbor some 'prejudice' when we're angry about *political and social oppression of LGBT people* *is* dismissing the real issue in favor of trying to do image therapy now that the overt homophobia is shown to be unpopular.
They still claim our relationships are some kind of 'spiritual crime' and act like its some 'great news' ...and imply its prejudice against Mormon people to expect them to take their churches and lobbies to task.”
CheapTrick on Jan 4, 2013 at 09:15:02
“A good example. "God wants you to be lonely and miserable and alone your whole life. Keep tithing... He loves you."
“From what I read in the article, she wasn't trying to "impress" anyone... she was trying to do what she felt to be the right thing... trying to show the gay community, in her neck of the woods, that all mormons don't think the same way... From what I gathered the children in her life started questioning why they are taught to be loving and caring people, but seeing the elders/adults of their faith promoting so much hate , therefore, she had to do something.. and I applaud her for her efforts... This wasn't meant to fix everything, but as her banner says, to build a bridge... without bridges, we will never be able to cross these troubled waters... (had a little simon & garfunkle moment there ;-)”
LintLass on Jan 3, 2013 at 19:07:14
“I think it kind of dismisses the real issues and acts like this is some kind of personality conflict between gay people and Mormon people. It's not going to mean too much more than maybe a less-nasty sentiment to *us* until they turn around and talk at their *churches* and do something about the real harm they've done to real LGBT people in our real lives.”
“You are right, you can't discuss LGBT issues w/out know what it means, but that doesn't stop all the religious fanatics from teaching their beliefs w/out any proof of what they are saying ...But seriously how difficult is it to tell a kid a gay man is a man that wants to fall in love and live his life with another man?”
“I read the whole article, but it still doesn't say what the school wanted to teach!!!!! What was/is in the curriculum ????? For what age groups? for what classes? Everyone is making a stink over what this man said, and as a gay man, I have to agree with him, and one of the other posts from a gay dad who says he doesn't want the first words in his obit to say he was gay!!! But again, no one is saying what the school wanted/wants to teach what is this gay-lesbian-bisexual-transgender agenda, they keep speaking of... that phrase could mean a bazillion different things...”
“I just spent way too much time trying to find what it is this man is trying to prevent... what is this gay-lesbian-bisexual-transgender agenda, he's talking about? I will more than likely, still disagree with him, but before I disagree in public, I would like to know the whole story... because I do agree with the fact that the school system needs help... and that the students should really learn their ABC's and 123's, before entering HS... But back to my point... What is he trying to stop?”
atlblackops on Jan 3, 2013 at 16:44:50
“Here, let me help you, since you are a bit slow: He doesn't want children to be the targets of pro-homosexual propaganda.
Public school is not the place for such indoctrination. Parents need to do that at home.”
cbmorales04 on Jan 3, 2013 at 16:23:15
“How does learning about LGBT issues help any kid in school? Especially in Kindergarten.
Unfortunately, you can't talk about LGBT issues without it becoming sexual. That kind of rhetoric should be left up to the parents and college, when children reach adulthood.”
HuffSusan on Jan 3, 2013 at 16:13:56
“Under the article is a link to read the whole story. I think this guy has a great and VALID point.
“If someone has made an important contribution – and that person happens to be classified as LGBT – then by all means, let’s teach our children about that person – but not BECAUSE OF that person’s sexual identity group,” Wasbin wrote to the Capo Board of Trustees.”
rextrek on Jan 3, 2013 at 16:02:11
“he's trying to stop people from knowing that LGBT people actually EXIST,and CONTRIBUTE to Society in MANY WAYS.”
“Can anyone tell me when this guy/group was elected to be the savior/s of America? If these self-appointed saviors keep trying to force their belief systems through hate tactics, then it will be a day of celebration when they are banned...”