“In California, the Pythagorean theorem is already being taught in the 7th grade. I think you're missing the point here: the big idea is fewer concepts per year, taught more in-depth. I've been teaching in public schools for 16 years, and this is something that has been a huge problem: we've been trying to teach too many things each year, which means we teach nothing in depth. The common core is a *good* thing. People are resistent to change in general, but in this, change is really, really necessary.”
mainemomma on Jul 29, 2012 at 11:20:06
“Thank you for teaching, it takes a special person to do it right. Fanned and Faved for wisdom.”
“Exactly. Clearly, women need to quit being so uppity, acting like they deserve equal rights with men. We females need to take off our shoes and go back to making babies and dominating our kitchens. Nothing to see here, move along.”
“An 8th grade math teacher would score at least in the e 90's, as would any high school math teacher. This is what they are credentialed to teach, and the focus of their studies.
For any teacher who doesn't teach math, how on Earth is this question even remotely relevant??? A kindergarten teacher needs to be well-versed in early literacy teaching strategies, as well as having a strong grasp of the psychology of a five year-old. They need basic math skills, definitely. But if they've forgotten some of the specifics of their algebra classes from decades ago--due to lack of use--how does that remotely relate to their competence as a kindergarten teacher?
It's logic like this that has the entire country wasting massive time and monetary resources on teaching to an inane battery of tests.
BTW, that kindergarten teacher HAD TO score very well on a basic math skills test in order to step foot into their classroom. Your question is a reflection of deep, deep ignorance of the teaching profession.”
“Interesting. You just ranted about how difficult teaching is, and then called teachers lazy and apathetic. Teachers are--on the whole--highly dedicated idealists who work in a profession that beats them down on a daily basis.
And as for nine months with twelve months' pay? No such thing. Teachers are paid for the months they teach. Many work summer jobs (we used to teach summer school, but those are gone) and tutor during the school year to make ends meet. Not to mention weekend and holiday workshops to keep our skills current, or masters programs to add to our expertise. Oh, and did I mention that we pay for our additional training out of our modest paychecks?
I wasn't able to take summer vacation until I'd been teaching for several years. Not taking a break means teachers come back each August still burned out from the previous year. If we are to approach our profession with creativity and enthusiasm, we need a break between terms (and yes, this is probably true of most professions--we could learn a thing or two from Europe).
I have my ten months pay spread over twelve (August to June is ten months, not nine) to reduce my burn out. Maintaining optimism under extremely adverse working conditions is critical for teachers. Would you prefer we taught year-round and had no love for our profession? All this focus on high-stakes testing is already pushing us in that direction.”
“With every passing year following the implementation of NCLB, we spend more and more of our instructional time testing. The testing is so over the top that students complain and morale sags. The testing is redundant and time-consuming, and a large portion of the tests are poorly written and riddled with mistakes.
With less and less time for actual instruction, how are we supposed to provide our students with a quality education?”
“Teachers are already required to pass many tests and complete at least five years of college in order to earn a credential.
There are three factors in a student's success: home, school, and community. Student success can be predicted based on the strength of at least two out of three of those factors: home and school, community and school, or home and community. If both home and community are unsupportive, students will not succeed.
Education doesn't take place in a vacuum. A huge percentage of my students live in crisis, with at least one family member (often a parent) in prison, parents being deported, family members in gangs, or at the very least, parents with incredibly limited educational experiences themselves. Often there is only one parent at home, and that parent is working multiple minimum-wage jobs to try so support the children they had starting in their teens.
Likewise, the neighborhood where I teach has had seven murders so far this year (one of which was yesterday morning), and upwards of twenty different gangs. When I suggest that my students form study groups to help one another with homework, they tell me they're not allowed to go outside once they get home, as their parents don't think it's safe.
Compare that to a class in a wealthy neighborhood with educated parents and low crime rates: there IS no comparison. And no need to guess which students are going to score better on tests, no matter what happens in class.”
6p023E23 on May 27, 2011 at 23:22:34
“so, in short, you believe that they will get 70% of 8th grade math?
Are you sure?
and if they don't get will you say they are incompetent to be teacher?”
“What planet are you living on??? In California, language arts is the first and foremost subject taught all the way through elementary school, at the cost of ALL else. So students come to middle school (where I teach) totally unprepared.”
Whycee54 on Jul 23, 2012 at 16:02:25
“Josie, thats in California however more money is given to Math and Science through the government that the other subjects, that was my point. Students come to middle school where I teach unprepared for anything except playin games.”
“You can offer these types of high schools, but if the kids come from poor neighborhoods, chances are they will not have received sufficient support from home and community to even qualify to study at such a place. Schools only provide 1/3 of the support students need for success; with poor and uneducated parents, plus a community that ridicules intelligence, schools cannot compete, and the students lose.”
“We do need jobs, but this is not a responsible way to create them.”
ecomcon on Jan 18, 2012 at 21:44:26
Deucejack on Jan 18, 2012 at 21:32:25
“Why exactly is building an oil pipeline to move oil irresponsible? The oil will now simply go overseas and still be used.
Nope... environmentalists have a completely distorted view of responsibility. They simply want to limit oil supply thereby raising oil prices to allow failed energy options more of an opportunity to compete.
“Um, you might want to read up on the separation of powers that is built into our government. As it turns out, the U.S. president is not actually a dictator and doesn't just get to decide everything.”
lhr1967 on Aug 8, 2011 at 17:40:09
“Why are you telling me this ? Someone needs to tell that to Obama . When he can't get a law passed to favor his agenda , he just has one of his appointed lackeys do it for . Like the head of the EPA ,or HUD . This list is just to long , open your eyes .”