“"My own concern is primarily the terror and violence carried out by my own state, for two reasons. For one thing, because it happens to be the larger component of international violence. But also for a much more important reason than that; namely, I can do something about it. So even if the U.S. was responsible for 2 percent of the violence in the world instead of the majority of it, it would be that 2 percent I would be primarily responsible for. And that is a simple ethical judgment. That is, the ethical value of one’s actions depends on their anticipated and predictable consequences. It is very easy to denounce the atrocities of someone else. That has about as much ethical value as denouncing atrocities that took place in the 18th century."
“Now that Feinstein needs to answer to powerful individuals she has a change of heart. However when it pertains to the 300 million riff-raff American citizens responsible for paying her salary, health care, and pension, she has disdain for any suggestion against these spying programs.
“The comment (as you skillfully ignore) was not meant to portray humans as "advanced" but as MORE advanced than the other animals we share this planet with. Which is a fact of nature and evolution - not "design".
You are simply calling anything we do "by design". That dismisses all responsibility. A dangerous and religious way of looking at nature. We could (as I stated) eat each others flesh and sexually abuse the weaker among us. According to your logic, since it is part of "the grand design" then it would be a disruption of the design to not do these things? You're logic is laughable, sir.”
12AngryMen on Oct 22, 2013 at 15:22:22
“Other animals have advancements we do not. We are certainly not "the top of the food chain" lording our might over everything, and very much even with much or most of the animals/organisms on the planet. Do you get made at the bacteria that totally owns us in the grand scheme of things?”
12AngryMen on Oct 22, 2013 at 15:13:24
“You *could* say you *will*, but my bet is you won't, even just to prove the point you're trying to make.”
“Nature also gave us bigger brains and more intelligence than these animals. Which bring about reflection and foresight and recognition. These traits are ALSO in nature - how come you miss that? Your logic is warped. Nature also gave us the ability to k_ill each other and even eat each others flesh. So I wonder, to those like you should we??”
12AngryMen on Oct 22, 2013 at 14:56:23
“Our brains are not as advanced as we like to think they are, and our "foresight" is pretty self-serving. Don't fancy yourself so enlightened as to think you're disrupting Nature's grand design. Also, almost all high order mammals kill each other, or kill other animals. That's nothing remotely special.”
“The more closely I follow politics the clearer it becomes to me that politicians are all actors. From both sides. Some better than others, but all insult our intelligence every time they speak.
We have allowed (and the media deserves much of the credit) a culture in Washington of unapologetic arrogance. They truly act as if they aren't our representatives, but professionals looking out for their own self interest and self aggrandizement. We need to remind them again who the h-e-l-l they work for. A reminder about who pays for those suits and ties they wear when they go on television to insult our intelligence.”
Conservatives, progressives, libertarians, independents, etc. We should make sure ALL incumbents who vote against complete reform and rejection of these overreaching NSA programs be voted out. This is our government. Not the government of this Cowboy.”
“This wasn't leaked by Snowden. Very nice attempt at trying to ridicule the actions of a whistleblower who has undoubtedly (and I say this as a progressive) inspired new anti-mass surveillance legislation in Congress and a much needed nation wide debate about the NSA programs we have been subject to as Americans for years - without our knowledge or democratic participation. Do not pretend for a second his actions have lead to nothing. You have not been paying attention. I think many like you have allowed your jerk adoration of the President to blur the dangers of these programs. This is not about Snowden. This is about overreach, abuse, and unconstitutionality.”
PALEOLOGOS DRAGASH on Sep 26, 2013 at 10:50:48
“I wasn't ridiculing Snowden AT ALL. In fact - if you can read - I was THANKING HIM.
Ever since Snowden took a treasure trove of embarrassing NSA information to Moscow, NSA has been apologizing left and right for its 50-year old misdeeds (Iran's 1953 coup, MLK eavesdropping). but has been conspicuously silent on its more recent embarrassing activity. Obviously, the spin is in -- they are acting "transparent" and declassifying the information everyone knows about, while being hush-hush about more ominous activities since 1991.”
“This nation is NOT where it is because of indiscriminate mass spying of its own citizens without probable cause. Spying on Martin Luther King Jr. isn't the reason for our standing in the world. His ACTIONS and the actions of other activists throughout American history are the reason for our success and progress, not the actions of those who spied on them.”
“Glad he is saying this.
However, I am concerned this is all being said after the catholic church has come under intense and rightful scrutiny in the last few years by all of us paying attention and for concern of the church's downturn in popularity.
I give him the benefit of the doubt in this case. But let's remember you can respect a persons views on certain issues and not have to adopt their religious beliefs.”
this is something that doesn't exist. every service government can provide is paid for by taxes, just like the salaries and pensions of elected officials and all other government workers, including generals, CIA, NSA, etc.
it's a matter of priorities. and in a country where we have a vast (and growing) 'working poor' class, more of our citizens seek assistance of programs they themselves contribute to in income taxes, sales taxes, and other local taxes. if people like yourself were honestly concerned about where our money is going, you would support an increase in minimum wage. but of course you don't - because you need someone to point your finger to.”
rhymney on Sep 10, 2013 at 01:49:48
“Close to half the country pays no income tax therefore the services that are paid for through the income tax are in effect free to those people. Higher minimum wages aren't free either, we will all pay for higher wages through higher prices. Further higher wages mean less jobs and therefore more unemployed not paying income taxes and getting more free government benefits.”
“The Obama administrations furry and vindictiveness towards whislteblowers and transparency has been a disheartening journey.
I hope the following causes some reflection among many of us:
(from the NYT referring to whistleblower Bradley Manning):
"..the military has been treating him abusively, in a way that conjures creepy memories of how the Bush administration used to treat terror suspects. Inexplicably, it appears to have President Obama’s support to do so ...Private Manning is in solitary confinement at the Marine Corps brig in Quantico, Va. For one hour a day, he is allowed to walk around a room in shackles. He is forced to remove all his clothes every night. And every morning he is required to stand outside his cell, naked, until he passes inspection and is given his clothes back."”
jonathan 12 on Aug 20, 2013 at 07:36:11
“The only thing I disagree with is how much power you actually think either president had. Obama is, and Bush was, mere figure heads as Presidents have been since the beginning of this country.”
“Those in denial about the way this Administration treats and directs its furry against whistleblowers should read Daniel Ellsberg's op-ed in the WashPost published a few weeks ago. - Furthermore, it is the fault of our very government, that Edward Snowden staid stuck in Russia, due to the revoking of his passport which denied him from seeking asylum in his destination - south america. Even going as far as not allowing the plane of a South American President to reach its fly freely.
Finally, and I hope this causes some reflection among many of us:
(from the NYT referring to whistleblower Bradley Manning): "..the military has been treating him abusively, in a way that conjures creepy memories of how the Bush administration used to treat terror suspects. Inexplicably, it appears to have President Obama’s support to do so ...Private Manning is in solitary confinement at the Marine Corps brig in Quantico, Va. For one hour a day, he is allowed to walk around a room in shackles. He is forced to remove all his clothes every night. And every morning he is required to stand outside his cell, naked, until he passes inspection and is given his clothes back."”
“The purpose of a CNBC is not to honestly discuss financial and economic issues with Americans. It's true purpose, is to create an environment for Wall Street, bankers, (and bought politicians), to feel justified in their actions and legitimize their mentality. To clear their conscience. CNBC undo's the sin. - "There's nothing that can be done"."Regulation destroys America." It's all they ever utter. This eliminates accountability. They're put in place to continue a greed-above-all mentality throughout the establishment.”
Jul 16, 2013 at 06:19:50
“As I read your comment, I am wondering if a person can really be as dense as you are, or if you typed this with a grin on your face. The idea that a young MLK (or an MLK at any age) would never wear a raincoat is for the most obvious of reasons asinine. Just because we don't have footage or pictures of MLK wearing an article of clothing does not mean he never wore it. I mean how lacking of common sense can a person be? We don't have pictures of MLK wearing tshirts. That does not mean he didnt wear tshirts. We dont have pictures of MLK wearing swimming trunks. That doesnt mean he didnt wear swimming trucks. A raincoat is something people wear when it rains there is no reason why MLK wouldnt wear one. All the footage we have of him is public gatherings and formal meetings. Why would he wear a raincoat in those cases? There is no reason why any black man wouldnt wear a raincoat, including MLK. What are you suggesting, that wearing a hooded raincoat would make a black man suspicious? - To who? I hope you answer that question for yourself, and reflect on your immense ignorance.”