“Tom, I'm 60, and I was promised my copy along with the rainbow-colored toaster oven. I do have some other items for the agenda though. First, all polyester is officially banished (you'd think the bible thumpers would get behind it since mixed fabrics are expressly forbidden in that same infamous passage in Leviticus). Bette, Cher, Barbra, and Barbara Cook (for many reasons) should all be enshrined. Stephen Sondheim should receive the Congressional Medal of Honor (for his body of work from West Side Story to Road Show).
We actually do have a "gay agenda" and this is it: treat us EQUALLY.”
“You're just going to have to finagle an invite to our next monthly Sunday Gay Agenda Brunch (with mimosas).”
observer42 on May 16, 2014 at 11:46:32
“When, and where, and what do I wear? You had me at mimosa.”
JamesTurner on May 15, 2014 at 19:56:48
“I think we should get some extra membership applications printed. It looks like we are going to have quite a turn out, Our table at the mall ran out of applications in less than an hour. Imagine the dues we will collect! We might be able to pay for the lavender jump suits for the recruitment volunteers!!”
“My thought is you posted the exact same thing (full of falsehoods) yesterday. Have anything else? There are plenty of young men raised by same-sex mothers and same-sex fathers who've grown up just fine.”
Mark Dawson on May 15, 2014 at 21:00:31
“Really? Where is your data that there are plenty of men raised by same-sex fathers. That is a bold-face lie. The numbers show that same-sex couples have girls 4 to 1.”
“Will, first, congratulations on your impending nuptials. I'm certain they are going to happen soon. In your particular case, the suit against the gay marriage ban is taking a fascinating turn, with the clergy filing the suit and citing the First Amendment Establishment Clause as being violated. NC is definitely the state to watch. "A blessing on your head, mazel tov, mazel tov."”
“Not just the happiest but also the most prescient. He predicted this all, essentially. He told us to come out because the more people knew gay people were just like them, the less they could hate us. He was soooooooo right.”
WHTrout on May 14, 2014 at 21:51:06
“Yup! I don't think a day goes by lately that I don't think of Harvey and wish he were here to see what he so courageously helped to bring about.”
“I used to say this as a joke, but then the data proved me right. The biggest fear? As you point out, more than half their marriages end in divorce. Data from Massachusetts indicate gay and lesbian marriages have a very low rate of divorce—so much so it bent the curve in the Bay State and the overall rate of divorce dropped considerably in the last ten years. Their marriages are, well, meh. Our marriages are FABULOUS.”
“Soma—for more reasons than marriage equality the Commonwealth needs to run Tom Corbett out of office. I've read plenty of people saying he might just be judged by history as the worst governor Pennsylvania ever had.”
roshni on May 14, 2014 at 16:33:11
“Yes, before he totally destroys my environment with his fracking buddies.”
“Kevin, I generally agree with your statement about unelected judges, then I look at Judge Chris Piazza in Arkansas, who was elected and still found against that state's hate amendment (and wrote, in my opinion, the most eloquent ruling yet on the subject—find it and read it, especially his last paragraph, which can move you to tears).
In the end, any judge worth his or her salt is going to look at the US Constitution and find these bans violate the 14th Amendment.”
charleshbuchannan on May 14, 2014 at 22:53:01
“He is a state judge, not federal.
I'm not saying that elected judges will never do the right thing.
I'm saying that insulation from politics is good.”
“Michael, some of us are hoping with cases now heading to the Circuit courts, whole swaths of states can have marriage equality in one fell swoop. This should speed up the process considerably. At least I sure hope it does. (This state-by-state thing is beginning to get on my nerves.)”
“Norris, serving up a gross over-generalization does not serve your argument well. State legislatures work on many different (and legal) things. Many state amendments are fully constitutional.
If you look at the broad range of jurists having already overturned state bans, I doubt you could call them "activist" judges. They just ALL happened to read the 14th Amendment the exact same way. Go figure.
Note: some of the judges making these decisions have been women. Keep your sexism in check, please.
It is the duty of the judiciary (state and federal) to review questioned legislation. Sometimes they find it constitutional, and in the many cases of hate amendments (such as the one in Idaho), they find them unconstitutional. Ergo, your gross generalization ignores the totality of what courts do, and I must call into question your credibility.”
BuildTheFence on May 15, 2014 at 07:18:39
“BTW, please be assured I give the female judges their due credit. It just gets tiresome writing his/her in every statement. I think more would have pounced on it if I had only accused "her" of being activist. Then it would be said I was at war with women.”
BuildTheFence on May 15, 2014 at 07:11:27
“"Many state amendments are fully constitutional. "
Do Conservative groups EVER offer up an amendment that is considered constitutional by all? It sure seems like it's been a while.”
“I found my ideal (and inexpensive) condo six months ago in Palm Springs, and for months the mortgage broker (International City Mortgage—avoid it like the plague) put me through unbelievable torture because of Fannie Mae (even screaming at me one Saturday night because I wouldn't lie and create a false document for it—this is illegal, I noted to ICM). It was a nightmare, to say the least.
And NOW Fannie Mae is relaxing things? Sigh. So many sleepless nights for naught. At least I finally got my condo and Fannie Mae bought the loan, no questions asked.”
brownfrown on May 14, 2014 at 08:55:42
“"At least I finally got my condo and Fannie Mae bought the loan, no questions asked."
Remember when banks were in the business of making strategic investments and not in the business of buy-low-sell-(the the taxpayers)-high?”
“Doug, your argument falls apart when you consider how many rights are conferred on married couples (hence the reason government must be in the marriage business). The laws on inheritance alone justify its presence.
The other place where your argument falls apart is your third paragraph: "Marriage would be strictly a religious ceremony." This can't be. What do you tell atheists? They have every right to marry, too. Which religious ceremony would be acceptable? Again, defining this to meet the legal criteria becomes impossible.
However, I think you are confusing the concept of Marriage (a civil contract) with matrimony (a religious rite). We want marriage. Matrimony is strictly up to the couple involved in getting married.”
“Richard, there are many things NOT enumerated in the Constitution yet still covered by it as a living document (which is exactly when James Madison had in mind when he wrote it). Marriage itself isn't in there, but it is a fundamental right (as SCOTUS has said 14 times). Other regulated items not written in the document but still covered by it (because it can beautifully handle a changing world Madison could never have envisioned): automobiles, radio, television, the Internet, electricity (though Franklin had done his kite thing beforehand, so it was not an unknown), the Federal Reserve (no bank is in the document, in fact).
You maintain you are well educated, but you lose points when your basic argument is unsound. You feel you must label anyone disagreeing with you as "liberal" yet there are many conservatives supporting marriage equality; name-calling does not score you points, either.
BTW, I think you might have lost completely when you discuss the marriages of the Founding Fathers. Washington was a womanizer (some doubt he ever had sex with Martha though) whose death was precipitated because he jumped out of a window when the husband of the woman he was having sex with came home early. Jefferson? Well, let's talk Sally Hemmings. The only paragon marriage among the founders, in fact, was John and Abigail Adams. Hamilton allegedly dipped his wick on both sides. And Ben Franklin? He was kicked out of Paris for his sexual exploits.”