“Well we will never know what would have happened if he would have gone though the legitimate channels. He chose to run. I don't believe our government has fallen the American people decided to give Congress that blank check when 9-11 happened. The American people cheered when Bush said "they will all hear us soon." After that the American people decided they didn't mind being listened to in order for this government to protect us. It seems now that people have selective amnesia and forget this was enacted back then and now are shocked that the government is collecting meta data. Congress has kept this program year after year and people keep electing the same people that voted this in. So if people don't like what their government is doing change the people that pass these laws!”
“I never said that all laws are fair. Some laws are unjust but, you do what you have to do to try and get laws changed. You don't just break the law and say well "I THINK I'M RIGHT". Laws are what makes us a civilize country.. If we had no laws what do you think this country would be like. Edward Snowden made a decision for the whole country. He decided what he thought is best. You might hail him as a hero, but I don't.. He should have gone though the channels. I keep wondering if this man is such a genius why didn't he keep a copy of his own emails to prove to the world he is a whistleblower. What "HE" decided was criminal in my opinion. He purposely got hired to break the law and steal government property. If he is such a genius why didn't he think that the US would try and do whatever it took to stop him. So he is so surprised they took his passport. Such a genius would have figure the US would.”
ghidra15 on May 30, 2014 at 18:02:58
“I really do not think if he'd gone through the "legitimate" channels, he might have disappeared. Or, more likely, ignored. You and I probably differ as to how far the government has fallen, and history will tell which one of us is right.”
“Who is to say that Snowden and you are right. That has not been determined by the Supreme Court who is the one that decides if this is constitutional. I don't accept you or Snowden to tell me what is right and wrong. I wait for the judicial system to do so. This is a country of LAWS. You don't like those laws then I suggest you go with your comrade Snowden. You are giving me ridiculous rhetoric and all you have to come back is with insults typical of an un-educated person.”
ghidra15 on May 30, 2014 at 12:17:34
“Okay, okay let's stop slinging mud here for a second. Do you posit that laws can be unjust? Or is the mere fact that a law is a law MAKE it just, in your opinion?”
“Why am I terrifying because I'm giving you fact instead of ridiculous rhetoric. Me being a lawyer has nothing to do with this. Did I make any disparaging remarks towards you which I could have looking at your picture... Keep it on the topic at hand if that's possible for you.”
ghidra15 on May 30, 2014 at 10:53:50
“Standing up for what is right, regardless of whether or not it is currently legal, is an issue of morality, not "Ridiculous rhetoric". And you may not have made disparaging remarks, but your palpable air of smug superiority radiates across the screen.
“And because that one person denied they were collecting Meta Data you are saying that Snowden is not lying. You despise this government that keeps you safe. Please tell me what liberties have you actually lost since Snowden released this information. How has you life changed?”
“It's funny to see how so many people believe every word that comes out of this guys mouth. If all he wanted was to alert the people of the United States what this government has been doing since 2001 then why is releasing information that has damaged the US with our allies. How is that helping "WE" he people. Greenwald is already threating to release more and supposedly it is bigger. I don't take everything this man spews out as truth.”
Ron Booth on May 29, 2014 at 18:06:27
“Wow, threatening to tell the truth is always such a terrible thing, especially if you're the NSA and there is even more information about your illegal activities.
Sure, I'll believe the NSA because what the heck they've only been caught red handed lying to the Congressional committees that are charged with providing oversight and it has been revealed that after being ordered by the FISA courts to cease and desist operations that the court had found to be illegal and in violation of the Constitution the NSA just gleefully ignored those court orders for almost a year.
I would believe Edward Snowden or a used car dealer in a plaid suit before I would trust that anything coming from the NSA were the truth, heck even if they offered up what was supposedly a full confession of their illegal activities I would still have suspicions that they were withholding the worst of what they had done.
Perhaps you have little regard to your 4th amendment rights as they pertain to YOU but that doesn't mean that there aren't plenty of people who hold them in high regards or that we feel that its invaluable to protect those rights for future generations.
Got any other "facts" you would like to debate with (aka your micro bio) since it seems is you have no facts just opinions.”
Coinyer101 on May 29, 2014 at 17:45:03
“The NSA has been caught on videotape, and under oath, before Congress, admitting to the lies they told, by telling more lies. And you want to suggest Snowden is lying....,? Puhleeze...,!”
“I love this country and my life hasn't changed one bit since this program has been implemented. It's people like you that bash this government that need to find another place where you will be happy. I have not problems with this government collecting meta data. I don't just take the word of some low level individual that thinks he knows more than anyone else what is best. I'm sure Russia will have you just like they have Snowden.”
“You accuse Gregory of drinking the Kool-Aid because he doesn't agree with your opinion. Seems to me like you aren't the one dealing with facts because the government IS having the discussion. They won't have it with YOU but, they have it with the people that represent the citizens like you. Those people you send to CONGRESS. They are your representative. So if you want your voice hear contract your congressman or senator and let them know that you don't drink the Government Kool-Aid..”
cduce on May 29, 2014 at 12:06:02
“Not because he doesn't agree with my opinion, but because he doesn't believe in questioning our Gov't....at least that's what I get from reading his posts. Unfortunately, the people we send to Congress don't represent the people that elected them, but rather the interests groups that fund them. Me or the 700k+ other citizens calling them does nothing to change or evolve their position; only those with enough money have the influence necessary to force their change of mind.”
“If all of your despise this government I'm sure Russia is a good place for all of you.”
jerryengelbach on May 29, 2014 at 16:31:11
“If you love your own government spying on you so much I would suggest that it's you who belongs in Russia.”
cduce on May 29, 2014 at 11:51:09
“Rose, not once did I mention that I despise the US Gov't. Where's the harm in questioning what our Gov't does in our name? How about this..."Let's debate with facts"! Actual facts, hard evidence....not something you've made up.”
“Sure the only ones interested are Fox viewers. The rest of the country isn't interested in what this loser has to say. He needs to just go away and maybe take over another company and dismantle it and make more millions and stash them offshore.”
“The law is the law ... Well those laws have been changed and this is not the same thing. Talking about women not given the right to vote and labor laws and segregation is totally ridiculous . This is a country of LAWS... if broken then you suffer the consequences. THAT IS RIGHT THE LAW IS THE LAW!!!!”
Jerome Caesar on May 28, 2014 at 16:31:43
“Um, no, it's exactly the same thing. Doctor King and other civil rights activists were explicitly breaking the law when they opposed segregation through peaceful protest. They didn't hide that fact, it was a key part of the strategy to delegitimize segregation. When Rosa Parks refused to give up her seat, she was breaking the law, hence why she was arrested and jailed. Using your ridiculous logic, Rosa Parks should've followed the law and gave up her seat. After all, the law is the law
Allow me to quote Doctor King quoting Augustine about why breaking an unjust law is acceptable-"An unjust law is no law at all."
What's truly ridiculous is you saying THAT IS RIGHT THE LAW IS THE LAW, and then saying that laws legitimizing segregation and slavery are not the same thing. What fantasy world do you live in where segregation, slavery, and child labor were not legally endorsed by the law of the United States?”
“And who are they to say what they did was right. According to the law it isn't.”
Jerome Caesar on May 28, 2014 at 16:09:04
“There was a time the law you revere said it was illegal for women to vote, segregation and slavery were acceptable institutions, and trade unions weren't allowed. The laws did allow child labor, though. Using your ridiculous logic, segregation is okay, because it was legal, and all those civil rights leaders during the freedom rides were law breaking wrong doers. The law is the law, after all!”
“I don't call it splitting hair I call it the way things are done hear in a democracy. We are a country of laws and if one court decides one way the other another we have a Supreme Court to decide. You can choose which court you want but I chose to make the highest court of the land make that decision.”