“It's not a "lie", it is part of the "Big Book", and is Tradition Three, from the 12 and 12 http://www.aa.org/1212/”
freddsky on Jan 1, 2012 at 21:13:40
“Your comment, while passionate, does not address what I said but perhaps what you wish I had said. I admit it is often easier to refute what you wish someone had said. I gave my opinion about what I think motivates people, not what is clearly written in a book. Good luck with your inventory, BTW. I forgive you.”
“Now, it wasn't the "witches" who had these symptoms; it was the little girls accusing everyone who even looked at them funny of being witches who had the symptoms. This does sound very similar to that, though.”
I agree with the thought. Arts and Music education is absolutely essential. It can involve students who would otherwise not engage in school.
However wonderful the thought, it is not the only discipline in which perfection is the aim. How many engineered road bridges are acceptable to fail? How many babies are Ob-Gyns and Nurses allowed to drop in the delivery room? How many wrong convicted people are allowed to spend time in jail from cops, judges, lawyers, and jurors?
BUT! Thank you for sharing the link. It was a wonderful story. It was also hard to listen to the 90% performance.”
“Rhee has done nothing but add fuel to the fire against teachers.
It is a shame. There are thousands of amazing teachers in America who work their butts off for the youth of America. Most of us aren't even asking for more money, we just want to do our job and stop being blamed for all the ills of the economy and society.”
Michael Dayne on May 5, 2011 at 13:53:50
“Rhee is an innovator and pioneer in the field of education. She is not anti-teacher, she is pro-education. Given her record and accomplishments I have yet to see anyone who is anti-Rhee give any tangible argument or motivation for why she would have any reason to be anti-teacher. However, I do understand why teachers would want to preserve their jobs and the status quo. Teachers would be crazy to want to scrap a system of guaranteed jobs and raises.”
“Get rid of Support Staff? Are you nuts? Do you have any idea what support staff does in a building? In mine, which houses the Autistic Support classrooms for my district. To keep these students in the least restrictive environment (which is THE LAW), they require support. Some are nonverbal. Some wear diapers.
Geesh, this competent teacher is just about fed up with ignorance and misinformation.”
Grandma Koolfinger on May 5, 2011 at 15:03:09
“The reason that I put "support" in quotation marks was an attempt to indicate non essential support. My main complaint is with the overabundance of administrators and the outrageous salaries they are paid, at least where I live. And the education of autistic children is a special case and I applaud you for having the ability and desire to do it.”
“I have been a public school teacher for 17 years, and I still learn things from my senior colleagues. I would not be the teacher that I am today if I hadn't had such wonderful and knowledgeable role models in the past.
It is indeed a brain drain when teachers are forced into retirement.”
“I think the thing with mainstreaming out of a school like that is what needs to be looked at. There is an Autistic Support classroom in my building, and (depending on the child) some are mainstreamed for certain classes, but go to AS for others. In that school, it's all-or-nothing, KWIM? Not slamming the school by any means, I think they probably do amazing things with the children. It's just that because they are not connected to a traditional school, they do not have the capability of mainstreaming children little by little... fading out, so to speak. I have a 4th grader who was all AS when he was younger, but now mainstreamed in most of his classes.”
“I wonder if the poster meant Asbergers Syndrome - - still under the umbrella, but probably not the children depicted in the video. There are a lot of researchers who propose that Einstein, as well as Newton and Mozart, may have had Asbergers... but there are plenty of researchers who disagree.”
carester on Apr 26, 2011 at 08:09:11
“I have no doubt that Aspies have made/can make a HUGE contribution in many fields (remember that they develop a fixation on a topic). However, I doubt that real Aspies are uncapable of handling regular/mainstream classes. Those kids are highly intellectual (only thing missing is the social gene). However, are Autistic kids in Sp.Ed. those types of kids....when 10 out 700 make it to mainstream education...one can conclude that the overwhelming majoity of kids in those classes are NOT Aspies.”
“Again, I was not the poster who brought up genius people with autistic traits... I am saying that the umbrella is so large that there is no "average". From nonverbal / violent to quirky / Asbergers... there are so many different challenges. Like they said in the video, there is no recipe (my word, not theirs) for educating, that each needs individual treatment... hence, no "average".”
“What does that tell me? That tells me that the NYC schools do not have adequate resources to mainstream their autistic students. Either that, or that putting them in one place (with specialists) is best for them.
That doesn't make me think that they can't be productive. I have seen students come into kindergarten and be nonverbal... and by the end of 5th grade, talk constantly. They can make change and take an order... they won't be productive like you or I, but I predict they will be able to be productive.”
carester on Apr 24, 2011 at 19:20:51
“I have no doubt that those kids can improve tremendously, obviously they have TONS AND TONS of room to show improvement. However, at what cost? Should the school system be the only venue? I don't know. The reality is that the school system is walking on thin ice and the more the system gets saddle with the overwhelming responsibility of being the sole provider of these services, more and more families will look for other options. There are charter and selective schools where families can go to. The system will eventually house all those that the chartes and magnet schools don't accept. That, I think, will no serve those kids well. Other venues must be used, I think.”
“I think you are generalizing far too much when you talk about students who will never lead productive lives.
When a disabled child is young, you never know their possibilities... and they will not be realized unless they receive interventions.”
carester on Apr 23, 2011 at 20:54:12
“If you watch the video, the origin of this blog, the principal of the school for Austistic children admits that out of 700 kids in the school just 10, TEN, have been abled to be mainstreamed. What does that tell you? Are the MAJORITY of Austictic children really geniouses like Bill Gates, Einstein, or the likes? Numbers don't lie....”
“Truly, there is no "average Sp. Ed. Autistic kid/adult". The Autistic Spectrum is so large and encompasses so many differences and nuances that one cannot define average.”
carester on Apr 24, 2011 at 19:14:32
“Maybe because we are focusing in two different things: I'm talking about intellectual capacity (which was the inference of the Einsteins remark). Intellectually speaking, Autistic kids in sp. education classes have very, very little intellectual capacity. When 10 out of 700 Autistic kids in that school enter mainstream education, it doesn't take a genius to figure that the AVERAGE students in that school is NOT of "high" intellect, let alone Einstein. The intellectual capacity amongst themselves can differ greatly BUT they are obviously in a league of their own, and that is NOT a compliment.”
carester on Apr 23, 2011 at 21:05:00
“When the principal of the school for Autistic kids tells that 10, TEN, out of 700 kids in her school go on to mainstream education, I understand that the average autistic kid in sp. ed. does not posses the intellectual weight of a genius. Just my simple opinion.”
“I am curious what the political-socio-babble classes are.
Right now, I am looking at my 5th grade students' class schedule. 1 hr. math, 1.5 hrs CA (Curriculum Arts = reading, grammar, spelling), specials (music, art, library & physical education), lunch, science and social studies. Seems pretty traditional, no?”