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Improving the Health Care Bill After It Passes Will Not Be Easy
Commented Dec 22, 2009 at 22:23:59 in Politics
“Congress has no authority to pass this bill.
I wish to make a citizens arrest.”
I wish to make a citizens arrest.”
The Insurance Industry's Lethal Bottom Line -- and a Solution From Sens. Franken and Rockefeller
Commented Dec 08, 2009 at 10:16:32 in Politics
“JohnSawyer:
It's me again!
The bible does have rules on running insurance companies: thou shalt not steal.
Another thing the bible requires: obey the law. The Congress does simply NOT have the authority (as the Constitution is currently written) to do what democrats propose.
I want to be consistent, so as I would want an insurance company punished for fraud, I would want government official punished (voted out) for violating the Constitution. All these are biblical principles.
Nothing much stops, say, George Soros in conjunction with the dozens of other profoundly wealthy leftists from running an insurance company that would have taken care of all the people (and there are less of them than democrats claim) who represent the hard core uninsured.
But do they step up to the plate and form foundations specifically for this task, using their unimaginable wealth?
No way.
They are all still exceedingly rich and want the MIDDLE CLASS and people whose backs are already breaking from taxation to soothe to foot the bill while they can hang on to their wealth.
Why don't rich democrats give all their money away to their fellow needy Americans?
You know the answer to that, don't you?”
It's me again!
The bible does have rules on running insurance companies: thou shalt not steal.
Another thing the bible requires: obey the law. The Congress does simply NOT have the authority (as the Constitution is currently written) to do what democrats propose.
I want to be consistent, so as I would want an insurance company punished for fraud, I would want government official punished (voted out) for violating the Constitution. All these are biblical principles.
Nothing much stops, say, George Soros in conjunction with the dozens of other profoundly wealthy leftists from running an insurance company that would have taken care of all the people (and there are less of them than democrats claim) who represent the hard core uninsured.
But do they step up to the plate and form foundations specifically for this task, using their unimaginable wealth?
No way.
They are all still exceedingly rich and want the MIDDLE CLASS and people whose backs are already breaking from taxation to soothe to foot the bill while they can hang on to their wealth.
Why don't rich democrats give all their money away to their fellow needy Americans?
You know the answer to that, don't you?”
The Insurance Industry's Lethal Bottom Line -- and a Solution From Sens. Franken and Rockefeller
Commented Dec 08, 2009 at 10:02:06 in Politics
“JohnSawyer: I find it ironic that someone supporting the democratic party's plan has the nerve to accuse others of being a death cult. Especially considering that democrats insist on snuffing out life forms in the womb, and led the nation to world wide slaughter through one democrat party war after another under democrat presidents.
Democrats surely have no room to lecture others on "death cults".
Perhaps democrats need their sins beat out of them, but my sin was covered at the Cross. That's the joy of being a Christian, your sins are forgiven, He paid the price for them.”
Democrats surely have no room to lecture others on "death cults".
Perhaps democrats need their sins beat out of them, but my sin was covered at the Cross. That's the joy of being a Christian, your sins are forgiven, He paid the price for them.”
The Insurance Industry's Lethal Bottom Line -- and a Solution From Sens. Franken and Rockefeller
Commented Dec 08, 2009 at 09:57:19 in Politics
“I want from Medicare all the money I put into it and nothing more. Same with social security. I prefer to buy my own care and that WAS the plan for the future.
It is only democrats, those ruthless meanies, who advocate denying old people coverage for political reasons.”
It is only democrats, those ruthless meanies, who advocate denying old people coverage for political reasons.”
trishinpitt replied on Dec 08, 2009 at 14:01:41
“you will never pay into Medicare more than you'll get out of it.... let's face that fact right now....
And... you didn't address any of my other comments? What about all those people who die for lack of insurance? How does that fit into your pro-life stance?
Ruthless meanies? I defy you to actually prove that any Democrat wants to take away the coverage to old people.”
And... you didn't address any of my other comments? What about all those people who die for lack of insurance? How does that fit into your pro-life stance?
Ruthless meanies? I defy you to actually prove that any Democrat wants to take away the coverage to old people.”
The Insurance Industry's Lethal Bottom Line -- and a Solution From Sens. Franken and Rockefeller
Commented Dec 08, 2009 at 09:54:40 in Politics
“JohnSawyer:
You said what is wrong with "work[ing] to prevent human corporations from extracting excessive, damaging amounts of money.....
Nothing is wrong with that, but that is not what Democrats are doing.
What IS wrong is that the federal government is doing it.
I cannot be more clear, nor can it be more simple to understand: The feds do not have this authority. The issue belongs to the states or to the people themselves.”
You said what is wrong with "work[ing] to prevent human corporations from extracting excessive, damaging amounts of money.....
Nothing is wrong with that, but that is not what Democrats are doing.
What IS wrong is that the federal government is doing it.
I cannot be more clear, nor can it be more simple to understand: The feds do not have this authority. The issue belongs to the states or to the people themselves.”
The Insurance Industry's Lethal Bottom Line -- and a Solution From Sens. Franken and Rockefeller
Commented Dec 08, 2009 at 09:50:59 in Politics
“JohnSawyers:
Look, I've lived without health insurance. If I had died, so be it. It still doesn't give me an excuse to rob the guy next to me.
You want me to be as criminal as the insurance companies but under the cover of government.
If the insurance companies are the problem, seizing the whole industry cannot be the answer.”
Look, I've lived without health insurance. If I had died, so be it. It still doesn't give me an excuse to rob the guy next to me.
You want me to be as criminal as the insurance companies but under the cover of government.
If the insurance companies are the problem, seizing the whole industry cannot be the answer.”
The Insurance Industry's Lethal Bottom Line -- and a Solution From Sens. Franken and Rockefeller
Commented Dec 08, 2009 at 09:48:55 in Politics
“1dog2:
God's plan for non-Christians is quite clear: Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ.
Then the same thing applies to them as it applies to me: work, obey Christ, and when the time has come to die from one of a million methods of dying with or without insurance, then know that there is life beyond this one.
Maybe if you weren't so afraid to leave this life (which is as natural as coming into it) you wouldn't be so anxious to surrender up your freedoms while you are here?”
God's plan for non-Christians is quite clear: Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ.
Then the same thing applies to them as it applies to me: work, obey Christ, and when the time has come to die from one of a million methods of dying with or without insurance, then know that there is life beyond this one.
Maybe if you weren't so afraid to leave this life (which is as natural as coming into it) you wouldn't be so anxious to surrender up your freedoms while you are here?”
The Insurance Industry's Lethal Bottom Line -- and a Solution From Sens. Franken and Rockefeller
Commented Dec 07, 2009 at 16:26:45 in Politics
“1dogs2:
God's plan for Christians is that they help through the Church, not the state. Perhaps you missed that chapter?
So, just what is "social" justice? Is that different from unsocial justice?”
God's plan for Christians is that they help through the Church, not the state. Perhaps you missed that chapter?
So, just what is "social" justice? Is that different from unsocial justice?”
Lionsden replied on Dec 08, 2009 at 09:48:55
“1dog2:
God's plan for non-Christians is quite clear: Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ.
Then the same thing applies to them as it applies to me: work, obey Christ, and when the time has come to die from one of a million methods of dying with or without insurance, then know that there is life beyond this one.
Maybe if you weren't so afraid to leave this life (which is as natural as coming into it) you wouldn't be so anxious to surrender up your freedoms while you are here?”
God's plan for non-Christians is quite clear: Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ.
Then the same thing applies to them as it applies to me: work, obey Christ, and when the time has come to die from one of a million methods of dying with or without insurance, then know that there is life beyond this one.
Maybe if you weren't so afraid to leave this life (which is as natural as coming into it) you wouldn't be so anxious to surrender up your freedoms while you are here?”
1dogs2 replied on Dec 07, 2009 at 17:24:23
“Then what is God's plan for non-Christians? And how's that plan working for Christians? Christians are among those dying from lack of adequate medical care.”
The Insurance Industry's Lethal Bottom Line -- and a Solution From Sens. Franken and Rockefeller
Commented Dec 07, 2009 at 16:22:07 in Politics
“trishinpitt:
Pro-lifers want a life worth living and that means a free life. Government sponsored health care leads to despotism. That is bad for all the people democrats are kind enough to let live.”
Pro-lifers want a life worth living and that means a free life. Government sponsored health care leads to despotism. That is bad for all the people democrats are kind enough to let live.”
trishinpitt replied on Dec 07, 2009 at 16:46:40
“hog wash... I'll bet not one of you would turn down your Medicare. Why is it you all scream about a free life and yet you want to impose your opinions and will on others? You love spouting about freedom until a woman wants the right to the freedom to choose for herself when it comes to an abortion..
If 45,000 fetuses were dying because of lack of healthcare, you should stand up and protect them, right? Well, how many of those women out there choose abortion because they don't have healthcare? How many of those women lose children during pregnancy because of lack of healthcare? How many children die because of lack of healthcare? Where's your pro-life stance there?
And last time I looked, most of the industrialized nations that have healthcare aren't falling under despotism.
If 45,000 fetuses were dying because of lack of healthcare, you should stand up and protect them, right? Well, how many of those women out there choose abortion because they don't have healthcare? How many of those women lose children during pregnancy because of lack of healthcare? How many children die because of lack of healthcare? Where's your pro-life stance there?
And last time I looked, most of the industrialized nations that have healthcare aren't falling under despotism.
The Insurance Industry's Lethal Bottom Line -- and a Solution From Sens. Franken and Rockefeller
Commented Dec 07, 2009 at 16:14:37 in Politics
“Easyrollins:
Fortunately for you and I, the people who wrote our Constitution knew they could not "conceive of the problems this nation...f
That is why they provided methods and processes for,not only making laws, but changing the Constitution itself. The very terms "necessary and proper" have in mind these unforeseen instances. The amendment process has the unforeseen in mind as well.
So you can smile (floss first).
You say "History has it's place and should be used, but it cannot by itself answer the problems we face."
You wrote that at 1:12PM. And I do believe (by your own standard of reasoning) that your words are now history and therefore "cannot...
Have a great day and remember: every word you write or speak, and every act you commit becomes less and less able to answer the problems we face because some upstart is going to tell you your ideas are history, and old, and not so important anymore for address the now and the future.
Good luck with that..
I guess if we jump up and down on You Tube, that might get Congresses attention and cause them to do the right thing?”
Fortunately for you and I, the people who wrote our Constitution knew they could not "conceive of the problems this nation...f
That is why they provided methods and processes for,not only making laws, but changing the Constitution itself. The very terms "necessary and proper" have in mind these unforeseen instances. The amendment process has the unforeseen in mind as well.
So you can smile (floss first).
You say "History has it's place and should be used, but it cannot by itself answer the problems we face."
You wrote that at 1:12PM. And I do believe (by your own standard of reasoning) that your words are now history and therefore "cannot...
Have a great day and remember: every word you write or speak, and every act you commit becomes less and less able to answer the problems we face because some upstart is going to tell you your ideas are history, and old, and not so important anymore for address the now and the future.
Good luck with that..
I guess if we jump up and down on You Tube, that might get Congresses attention and cause them to do the right thing?”
The Insurance Industry's Lethal Bottom Line -- and a Solution From Sens. Franken and Rockefeller
Commented Dec 07, 2009 at 15:54:13 in Politics
“lobearoo:
I know who I am serving. God tells me : thou shalt not steal.
And it is theft to take from my neighbor to pay for someone else's health care when my neighbor doesn't want to.
I don't have that right. Morally, ethically, or religiously.
Would I like my wealthy neighbor to help my poor neighbor?
You betcha. But I'm not going to authorize the government to stick a gun in the wealthy guys face and pick his pockets.
This is because I'm not a criminally-minded person.”
I know who I am serving. God tells me : thou shalt not steal.
And it is theft to take from my neighbor to pay for someone else's health care when my neighbor doesn't want to.
I don't have that right. Morally, ethically, or religiously.
Would I like my wealthy neighbor to help my poor neighbor?
You betcha. But I'm not going to authorize the government to stick a gun in the wealthy guys face and pick his pockets.
This is because I'm not a criminally-minded person.”
Lionsden replied on Dec 08, 2009 at 10:16:32
“JohnSawyer:
It's me again!
The bible does have rules on running insurance companies: thou shalt not steal.
Another thing the bible requires: obey the law. The Congress does simply NOT have the authority (as the Constitution is currently written) to do what democrats propose.
I want to be consistent, so as I would want an insurance company punished for fraud, I would want government official punished (voted out) for violating the Constitution. All these are biblical principles.
Nothing much stops, say, George Soros in conjunction with the dozens of other profoundly wealthy leftists from running an insurance company that would have taken care of all the people (and there are less of them than democrats claim) who represent the hard core uninsured.
But do they step up to the plate and form foundations specifically for this task, using their unimaginable wealth?
No way.
They are all still exceedingly rich and want the MIDDLE CLASS and people whose backs are already breaking from taxation to soothe to foot the bill while they can hang on to their wealth.
Why don't rich democrats give all their money away to their fellow needy Americans?
You know the answer to that, don't you?”
It's me again!
The bible does have rules on running insurance companies: thou shalt not steal.
Another thing the bible requires: obey the law. The Congress does simply NOT have the authority (as the Constitution is currently written) to do what democrats propose.
I want to be consistent, so as I would want an insurance company punished for fraud, I would want government official punished (voted out) for violating the Constitution. All these are biblical principles.
Nothing much stops, say, George Soros in conjunction with the dozens of other profoundly wealthy leftists from running an insurance company that would have taken care of all the people (and there are less of them than democrats claim) who represent the hard core uninsured.
But do they step up to the plate and form foundations specifically for this task, using their unimaginable wealth?
No way.
They are all still exceedingly rich and want the MIDDLE CLASS and people whose backs are already breaking from taxation to soothe to foot the bill while they can hang on to their wealth.
Why don't rich democrats give all their money away to their fellow needy Americans?
You know the answer to that, don't you?”
JohnSawyer replied on Dec 08, 2009 at 07:22:28
“Many choices in life don't have a perfect set of options. In this instance, the alternative is to let the poor neighbor remain sick, or get sicker, or die. Which is the greater good, and which is the greater evil? And how much do you think is being "stolen" from your grumpy, wealthy neighbor if he were taxed a tiny bit higher for the greater good?
I understand what you're saying--that it should be the grumpy, wealthy neighbor's decision, that it's on his head if he decides uncharitably, and it's God's job to judge that person. But I don't think relying on this principle, in this instance, is entirely justified--the Bible, as far as I know, doesn't contain rules on how to run an insurance company, which by its very nature is designed to pay out more to some people than they put in.
Besides, under the legislation before Congress, anyone who doesn't like the idea of any of their insurance premiums going to help someone who can't pay the full premiums, can get a policy with a private insurer.
I might agree with you that a mandate requiring everyone to buy insurance might not be right, or necessary, but whatever system is put in place, people who can't afford to pay full or even partial premiums are still worthwhile human beings, whom your God has told you to protect. Most churches require tithing from all churchgoers--do you consider that to be God stealing from the churchgoers?”
I understand what you're saying--that it should be the grumpy, wealthy neighbor's decision, that it's on his head if he decides uncharitably, and it's God's job to judge that person. But I don't think relying on this principle, in this instance, is entirely justified--the Bible, as far as I know, doesn't contain rules on how to run an insurance company, which by its very nature is designed to pay out more to some people than they put in.
Besides, under the legislation before Congress, anyone who doesn't like the idea of any of their insurance premiums going to help someone who can't pay the full premiums, can get a policy with a private insurer.
I might agree with you that a mandate requiring everyone to buy insurance might not be right, or necessary, but whatever system is put in place, people who can't afford to pay full or even partial premiums are still worthwhile human beings, whom your God has told you to protect. Most churches require tithing from all churchgoers--do you consider that to be God stealing from the churchgoers?”
The Insurance Industry's Lethal Bottom Line -- and a Solution From Sens. Franken and Rockefeller
Commented Dec 07, 2009 at 15:48:12 in Politics
“usna73:
Madison said that the Constitution means what the text says AND what the voters at the Constitutional convention believed it meant. I've never said otherwise. I quote, elsewhere, extensively from the Constitutional conventions (Elliot's Debates and Farrand's Records).
That is why I am certain the health care proposal is an usurpation.
When the text is not clear (like with the meaning of the General Welfare or Commerce Clause), we have to look up what the founders (including the convention goers) believed it meant.
Madison vetoed the Bonus Bill when he was president and he provided a full justification for it and this is how Leonard Sorenson describes it:
"Madison looks beyond the Constitution for the answers. He looks to original intent, to action in relation to that intent, and to the consequences of the absence of the powers in question."
Regarding Marshall and the Banking Bill Sorenson says (pg59):
" ...in a series of 'individual interpretations' or 'solitary opinions,' independent of all precedents. The ultimate conclusion is 'no limitations to (the) exercise of...indiv
That is what democrats are currently doing: subverting.”
Madison said that the Constitution means what the text says AND what the voters at the Constitutional convention believed it meant. I've never said otherwise. I quote, elsewhere, extensively from the Constitutional conventions (Elliot's Debates and Farrand's Records).
That is why I am certain the health care proposal is an usurpation.
When the text is not clear (like with the meaning of the General Welfare or Commerce Clause), we have to look up what the founders (including the convention goers) believed it meant.
Madison vetoed the Bonus Bill when he was president and he provided a full justification for it and this is how Leonard Sorenson describes it:
"Madison looks beyond the Constitution for the answers. He looks to original intent, to action in relation to that intent, and to the consequences of the absence of the powers in question."
Regarding Marshall and the Banking Bill Sorenson says (pg59):
" ...in a series of 'individual interpretations' or 'solitary opinions,' independent of all precedents. The ultimate conclusion is 'no limitations to (the) exercise of...indiv
That is what democrats are currently doing: subverting.”
JohnSawyer replied on Dec 08, 2009 at 06:49:19
“Can you be more clear on what you mean by "usurping"?
In my opinion, the health of everyone in the US, and their ability to afford medical measures beyond low or non-cost preventative ones, is a national concern, and therefore falls under the "general welfare" clause of the Constitution. The fact that private insurers have botched their responsibility to address this, due to their ever-expanding profit motive, is a national concern, and so it seems reasonable to institute a Federal-level mechanism to fix the situation. You've stated that you believe the proper approach is Federal regulations to control private insurers, instead of taking over their job (which is not being proposed in Congress anyway), but I'm not sure this is nearly as guaranteed a fix, considering their track record and continued profit motive. Besides, if only Federal regulations imposed on private insurers were enough to do the job, why would you believe that the private insurers wouldn't try to run our lives as much as you fear the Federal government would, in order to meet those Federal regulations?”
In my opinion, the health of everyone in the US, and their ability to afford medical measures beyond low or non-cost preventative ones, is a national concern, and therefore falls under the "general welfare" clause of the Constitution. The fact that private insurers have botched their responsibility to address this, due to their ever-expanding profit motive, is a national concern, and so it seems reasonable to institute a Federal-level mechanism to fix the situation. You've stated that you believe the proper approach is Federal regulations to control private insurers, instead of taking over their job (which is not being proposed in Congress anyway), but I'm not sure this is nearly as guaranteed a fix, considering their track record and continued profit motive. Besides, if only Federal regulations imposed on private insurers were enough to do the job, why would you believe that the private insurers wouldn't try to run our lives as much as you fear the Federal government would, in order to meet those Federal regulations?”
The Insurance Industry's Lethal Bottom Line -- and a Solution From Sens. Franken and Rockefeller
Commented Dec 07, 2009 at 13:16:58 in Politics
“Overdog2:
I've sworn to uphold it and I take my oath seriously.”
I've sworn to uphold it and I take my oath seriously.”
The Insurance Industry's Lethal Bottom Line -- and a Solution From Sens. Franken and Rockefeller
Commented Dec 07, 2009 at 13:16:17 in Politics
“1dogs2:
Were the American people less free when they did not have MRIs, Heart By-passes, yearly exams, and every other modern medical advancement?
It is absurd to say that corporations are robbing us of something that most humans never needed to live a happy and free life no matter how short or long it is. The best of human life and the most of human life came and went without expensive modern treatments and tests.
I want to live free regardless. If I cannot afford whatever I NEED in any area of my life, and it brings me to the end of my life, that is part of God's plan. If I receive a blessing that extends it, that is God's plan.
But what I won't do, in the meantime, is panic because the mortality we are all guaranteed comes to me sooner than I would like. And I don't get mad at those who have more than I do . And I refuse to construct a plan to take it from them even if they are constructing a plan to take from me.
Why would I want to behave as badly as a wicked corporation that steals from others?”
Were the American people less free when they did not have MRIs, Heart By-passes, yearly exams, and every other modern medical advancement?
It is absurd to say that corporations are robbing us of something that most humans never needed to live a happy and free life no matter how short or long it is. The best of human life and the most of human life came and went without expensive modern treatments and tests.
I want to live free regardless. If I cannot afford whatever I NEED in any area of my life, and it brings me to the end of my life, that is part of God's plan. If I receive a blessing that extends it, that is God's plan.
But what I won't do, in the meantime, is panic because the mortality we are all guaranteed comes to me sooner than I would like. And I don't get mad at those who have more than I do . And I refuse to construct a plan to take it from them even if they are constructing a plan to take from me.
Why would I want to behave as badly as a wicked corporation that steals from others?”
JohnSawyer replied on Dec 08, 2009 at 06:31:35
“Lionsden says:
"If I cannot afford whatever I NEED in any area of my life, and it brings me to the end of my life, that is part of God's plan. If I receive a blessing that extends it, that is God's plan."
But we're talking about insurance companies, run by people, not acts of God--insurance companies which contrive to raise prices, deny coverage, etc. even after a client has paid what was demanded of them. If someone gets or remains ill, or dies, as a result of these human decisions, that's not part of God's plan, unless you take the bizarre, non-Christian stance that everything is God's will. You say you're a Christian, but one of Christianity's main pillars is that God gave humans free will. If you're a Christian, you have to accept the whole package that goes along with it, instead of some private interpreta
"If I cannot afford whatever I NEED in any area of my life, and it brings me to the end of my life, that is part of God's plan. If I receive a blessing that extends it, that is God's plan."
But we're talking about insurance companies, run by people, not acts of God--insurance companies which contrive to raise prices, deny coverage, etc. even after a client has paid what was demanded of them. If someone gets or remains ill, or dies, as a result of these human decisions, that's not part of God's plan, unless you take the bizarre, non-Christian stance that everything is God's will. You say you're a Christian, but one of Christianity's main pillars is that God gave humans free will. If you're a Christian, you have to accept the whole package that goes along with it, instead of some private interpreta
1dogs2 replied on Dec 07, 2009 at 15:45:20
“How old are you, Lion? 10? People were neither more nor less free before modern medical procedures, but they sure as hell died younger. Do you really believe that it's "God's plan" for the wealthy to survive medical emergencies and diseases and for those who cannot afford the same medical treatments to die? Regardless of age? CHILDREN? Or young adults with children to support?
I'm not worried about MORTALITY, especially my own; I'm worried about those whose sense of MORALITY and social justice is absent. They help perpetuate "wicked corporations" who profit from the suffering of others.”
I'm not worried about MORTALITY, especially my own; I'm worried about those whose sense of MORALITY and social justice is absent. They help perpetuate "wicked corporations" who profit from the suffering of others.”
lobear00 replied on Dec 07, 2009 at 14:05:33
“The only plan god gave anyone is "Choice", your given two either good or bad you cannot sit on both sides of the fence. You cannot serve two masters. Most conservatives carry their tail in the palm of their hand, one knows what side of the fence their on.”
The Insurance Industry's Lethal Bottom Line -- and a Solution From Sens. Franken and Rockefeller
Commented Dec 07, 2009 at 12:56:41 in Politics
“JohnSawyer:
It isn't a conspiracy, as it is overt and open to the public. And we can watch it being constructed without having to wonder what is being done in secret.
It is transparent despotism. No area of our lives will be unregulated be the government because everything will apply to health and since the government is paying the piper its gets to call the tune.
We will dance as fast or slow as they demand.”
It isn't a conspiracy, as it is overt and open to the public. And we can watch it being constructed without having to wonder what is being done in secret.
It is transparent despotism. No area of our lives will be unregulated be the government because everything will apply to health and since the government is paying the piper its gets to call the tune.
We will dance as fast or slow as they demand.”
JohnSawyer replied on Dec 08, 2009 at 01:35:20
“Conspiracies (or large parts of them) can be committed without being done in secret. We see evidence of that every day. They can do these things in public because they have "protectio
That said, I really don't believe the current attempt to reform health insurance/health care, in itself, is a move merely to limit people's lives, but instead to accomplish the opposite. There are many people involved in this process who ARE trying to inject a lot of life-controlling measures into it, but I think that junk will eventually be stripped out, if not soon, then later. It will be of great benefit to have a system in place in the US that ensures as many people as possible get affordable medical care, but you're right that it's also necessary to make sure it doesn't turn into some overbearing fiasco.”
That said, I really don't believe the current attempt to reform health insurance/health care, in itself, is a move merely to limit people's lives, but instead to accomplish the opposite. There are many people involved in this process who ARE trying to inject a lot of life-controlling measures into it, but I think that junk will eventually be stripped out, if not soon, then later. It will be of great benefit to have a system in place in the US that ensures as many people as possible get affordable medical care, but you're right that it's also necessary to make sure it doesn't turn into some overbearing fiasco.”
The Insurance Industry's Lethal Bottom Line -- and a Solution From Sens. Franken and Rockefeller
Commented Dec 07, 2009 at 07:44:04 in Politics
“The Health Care scheme could be the last straw. Loyal Americans have had it with the usurpation of the Constitution by both parties, especially Democrats.
Alexander Hamilton in Federalist 26:
"[the] State legislatures, who will always be not only vigilant but suspicious and jealous guardians of the rights of the citizens against encroachments from the federal government, will constantly have their attention awake to the conduct of the national rulers, and will be ready enough, if ANY THING IMPROPER APPEARS, to sound the alarm to the people, and not to only be the voice but, if necessary, the arm of their discontent
And in Federalist 28:
"It may safely be received as an axiom in our political system, that THE STATE GOVERNMENTS WILL, IN ALL POSSIBLE CONTINGENCIES, AFFORD COMPLETE SECURITY AGAINST INVASIONS OF THE PUBLIC LIBERTY BY THE NATIONAL AUTHORITY.
Forced health care is an invasion of liberty if there ever was one.
Democrats have gone too far with their liberty robbing schemes and violations of the Constitution.
Do they really understand how crazy they are?”
Alexander Hamilton in Federalist 26:
"[the] State legislatures, who will always be not only vigilant but suspicious and jealous guardians of the rights of the citizens against encroachments from the federal government, will constantly have their attention awake to the conduct of the national rulers, and will be ready enough, if ANY THING IMPROPER APPEARS, to sound the alarm to the people, and not to only be the voice but, if necessary, the arm of their discontent
And in Federalist 28:
"It may safely be received as an axiom in our political system, that THE STATE GOVERNMENTS WILL, IN ALL POSSIBLE CONTINGENCIES, AFFORD COMPLETE SECURITY AGAINST INVASIONS OF THE PUBLIC LIBERTY BY THE NATIONAL AUTHORITY.
Forced health care is an invasion of liberty if there ever was one.
Democrats have gone too far with their liberty robbing schemes and violations of the Constitution.
Do they really understand how crazy they are?”
Easyrollins replied on Dec 07, 2009 at 13:12:11
“When ever i see someone trot out the ideas of people who could not even conceive of the problems this nation now faces I grimace. When must use the knowledge and wisdom of the people who see the needs of today. History has it's place and should be used, but it can not by itself answer the problems we face.”
Easyrollins replied on Dec 07, 2009 at 13:03:58
“The ignorance of your rant is appalling, Force health care is the right way of demeaning the lives of the people who die each year for the lack of health care. and it's also is the same as saying that forced education is a invasion of liberty. Crazy is not the word I would use to describe your stupidity ..”
usna73 replied on Dec 07, 2009 at 11:19:12
“As one who has written a thesis on the Federalist papers, I submit that your linkage is at best specious. At worst, implausible:
The amount of deference that should be given to the Federalist Papers in constitutional interpretation has always been somewhat controversial. As early as 1819, Chief Justice John Marshall noted in the famous case McCulloch v. Maryland, that "the opinions expressed by the authors of that work have been justly supposed to be entitled to great respect in expounding the Constitution. No tribute can be paid to them which exceeds their merit; but in applying their opinions to the cases which may arise in the progress of our government, a right to judge of their correctness must be retained." Madison himself believed not only that The Federalist Papers were not a direct expression of the ideas of the Founders, but that those ideas themselves, and the "debates and incidental decisions of the Convention," should not be viewed as having any "authoritative character.
The amount of deference that should be given to the Federalist Papers in constitutional interpretation has always been somewhat controversial. As early as 1819, Chief Justice John Marshall noted in the famous case McCulloch v. Maryland, that "the opinions expressed by the authors of that work have been justly supposed to be entitled to great respect in expounding the Constitution. No tribute can be paid to them which exceeds their merit; but in applying their opinions to the cases which may arise in the progress of our government, a right to judge of their correctness must be retained." Madison himself believed not only that The Federalist Papers were not a direct expression of the ideas of the Founders, but that those ideas themselves, and the "debates and incidental decisions of the Convention," should not be viewed as having any "authoritative character.
Overd0g2 replied on Dec 07, 2009 at 10:17:15
“The constitution is a quaint old document, not really applied much in the last 80 years or so.”
1dogs2 replied on Dec 07, 2009 at 09:01:07
“Do you understand how crazy the LIFE-robbing schemes of these corporations are? Do you understand that the federal government is the last best hope citizens have against the dishonesty and greed of these corporate monopolies? Do you understand that "liberty" means nothing to the dead and dying who are left to their own devices by companies that take their premiums but refuse to meet their contractual obligations to pay for treatment? Do you understand that inflated corporate profits at the cost of citizens' lives and health in IMMORAL? Do you understand that citizens have more to fear from the unbridled power of the health insurance cartel than they do from their elected officials who are accountable to their electorate?”
JohnSawyer replied on Dec 07, 2009 at 08:42:59
“The Federalist Papers quotes you cite, don't apply to the overall attempt to adopt health insurance reform. I agree that requiring people to buy health insurance may be the wrong thing to do, but the rest of it certainly isn't some conspiracy to enslave Americans. Health insurance reform isn't some kind of liberty/fr
Americans Don't Have Jobs, Will Ben Keep His?
Commented Dec 04, 2009 at 09:04:55 in Politics
“mike
The federal government has NO authority to run "social" programs. This power belongs to the states and the people.
The problem with democrats is that they are criminally-minded types who trample the Constitution to alleviate their guilt about the poor they often refuse to assist .
Society is not the state. Society is the intimate relationships one has with a handful of people. We enjoy the society of going with a friend to a movie.
A government and its laws are how we protect our liberty and property (without which we die or are enslaved). Democrats twisted this to mean protecting their liberty to take other peoples stuff and give it to themselves or others.
Democrat$ are loaded. They flush money down the toilet overseas helping people who will not benefit from it in the long run. They flush it down the toilet by sending it to Washington to pay for some lazy bureaucrat to sends pennies back for inefficient, unconstitutional, and useless "social" programs.
The only reason there is a problem with "unity, common values, and respect" in America is because in about the 1960s the democrats and leftists decided to subvert our civilization.
If democrats would like unity, they should stand down in their war against our culture, customs, Christianity, and American traditions.”
The federal government has NO authority to run "social" programs. This power belongs to the states and the people.
The problem with democrats is that they are criminally-minded types who trample the Constitution to alleviate their guilt about the poor they often refuse to assist .
Society is not the state. Society is the intimate relationships one has with a handful of people. We enjoy the society of going with a friend to a movie.
A government and its laws are how we protect our liberty and property (without which we die or are enslaved). Democrats twisted this to mean protecting their liberty to take other peoples stuff and give it to themselves or others.
Democrat$ are loaded. They flush money down the toilet overseas helping people who will not benefit from it in the long run. They flush it down the toilet by sending it to Washington to pay for some lazy bureaucrat to sends pennies back for inefficient, unconstitutional, and useless "social" programs.
The only reason there is a problem with "unity, common values, and respect" in America is because in about the 1960s the democrats and leftists decided to subvert our civilization.
If democrats would like unity, they should stand down in their war against our culture, customs, Christianity, and American traditions.”
mikekc replied on Dec 04, 2009 at 19:57:03
“although we may see things differently, I appreciate the way you have explained your ideas.”
Americans Don't Have Jobs, Will Ben Keep His?
Commented Dec 04, 2009 at 03:35:16 in Politics
“valley: it has been deteriorating because that is what the Federal Reserve is making it do by printing money government does not have.
Socialism is theft and decent societies don't do it.
No one owes you a thing. Don't you know this?
Trust God, not government.
Make the government you have limited and just.
Justice does not include plundering your neighbor.”
Socialism is theft and decent societies don't do it.
No one owes you a thing. Don't you know this?
Trust God, not government.
Make the government you have limited and just.
Justice does not include plundering your neighbor.”
valleygent replied on Dec 05, 2009 at 12:00:44
“Purely ideological answer Lionsden..
mikekc replied on Dec 04, 2009 at 08:00:57
“>> No one owes you a thing. Don't you know this?
Interesting, I wonder if all those men who fought and died in our many numerous wars would have done it if they had thought this way. How might things had turned out on Normandy Beach if all those men were thinking, I don't owe anyone in this country anything, and they don't owe me anything. Should we just tell veterans with limbs blown off we owe them nothing?
Society is a system setup to help enable the survival and well-being of its members. Without some degree of unity, common values, respect for and enabling of its members to live with hope societies disintegrate into warring tribes. This has been true throughout history.”
Interesting, I wonder if all those men who fought and died in our many numerous wars would have done it if they had thought this way. How might things had turned out on Normandy Beach if all those men were thinking, I don't owe anyone in this country anything, and they don't owe me anything. Should we just tell veterans with limbs blown off we owe them nothing?
Society is a system setup to help enable the survival and well-being of its members. Without some degree of unity, common values, respect for and enabling of its members to live with hope societies disintegrate into warring tribes. This has been true throughout history.”
America Without a Middle Class
Commented Dec 03, 2009 at 14:54:54 in Business
“SKM:What you described is Italian Fascism where the government and corps join together to direct our lives.
Naturally, I'm opposed to this. Obviously, Obama isn't. (Note: General Motors, Health Care grab, Fanny Mae, and etc).”
Naturally, I'm opposed to this. Obviously, Obama isn't. (Note: General Motors, Health Care grab, Fanny Mae, and etc).”
America Without a Middle Class
Commented Dec 03, 2009 at 14:52:03 in Business
“Fish: I was quite clear who was most blame worthy: Democrats. They populate local, state, and federal offices.”
America Without a Middle Class
Commented Dec 03, 2009 at 01:58:36 in Business
“mairs: I'm not a republican and I don't approve of the warfare state anymore than I approve of the welfare state. Your problem is that you think democrat looting is more virtuous than republican looting.”
America Without a Middle Class
Commented Dec 03, 2009 at 01:57:13 in Business
“Pilot: The middle class used its credit cards. The growth was phony”
America Without a Middle Class
Commented Dec 03, 2009 at 01:47:27 in Business
“Badfickle: Are you saying since Reagan raised taxes, I should support Obama raising taxes even though I don't support anyone doing it?
You are NOT making sense.”
You are NOT making sense.”
America Without a Middle Class
Commented Dec 03, 2009 at 01:46:00 in Business
“cow: what does that have to do with anything?”
cowbore replied on Dec 05, 2009 at 02:11:21
“It's in response to your comment above about greedy Dems raising your taxes. Taxes were much higher under Reagan, Republican. So don't just get down on Dems for taxes.”
America Without a Middle Class
Commented Dec 03, 2009 at 01:45:41 in Business
“Manwitha: My federal taxes went down all through the Bush years.”
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