MGhamma's Comments (1428)

“Not so much MGhamma... the tree rings are used to reconstruct temperature. Nice try though!”

“Exactly. The same tree rings that are claimed to be an accurate proxy for deducing temperatures thousands of years ago.

Hiding the decline means truncating that tree ring data when it begins to diverge from the instrumental temperature record. If tree ring data shows a decline from 1980 on, (or 1961 in the Briffa reconstruction) - then the data is probably NOT an accurate proxy for temperature. After all, the temperature rose from 1980-1998, didn't it?

The tree ring data shows the opposite, so that section of the data is cut off. That is what hiding the decline is all about. The decline implies that tree ring data is a poor measuring stick for temperature.”

“Its the morality thing.

Wink wink nod nod, know what I mean?”

“A GOP probe sound pretty creepy.”

“read the link”

“how is this for you?

http://globaleconomicanalysis.blogspot.com/2009/11/hackers-prove-global-warming-is-scam.html”

“Is that the best you have? No wonder you only have 12 fans. Fact -- temperatures have not increased over the past ten years and CO2 has increased. Oops, no global warming, Sparky, global warming non-denier, Ok, its climate change. Define it, pal, This is serious stuff, not the joke stuff you post.”

“sigh..

if one of the top voices/proponents of the AGW movement is willing to admit this is a big deal, why can't any of you armchair pundits?

"It’s no use pretending that this isn’t a major blow. The emails extracted by a hacker from the climatic research unit at the University of East Anglia could scarcely be more damaging(1). I am now convinced that they are genuine, and I’m dismayed and deeply shaken by them.

Yes, the messages were obtained illegally. Yes, all of us say things in emails that would be excruciating if made public. Yes, some of the comments have been taken out of context. But there are some messages that require no spin to make them look bad. There appears to be evidence here of attempts to prevent scientific data from being released(2,3), and even to destroy material that was subject to a freedom of information request(4).

Worse still, some of the emails suggest efforts to prevent the publication of work by climate sceptics(5,6), or to keep it out of a report by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change(7). I believe that the head of the unit, Phil Jones, should now resign. Some of the data discussed in the emails should be re-analysed.

G. Monbiot”

“"It’s no use pretending that this isn’t a major blow. The emails extracted by a hacker from the climatic research unit at the University of East Anglia could scarcely be more damaging(1). I am now convinced that they are genuine, and I’m dismayed and deeply shaken by them.

Yes, the messages were obtained illegally. Yes, all of us say things in emails that would be excruciating if made public. Yes, some of the comments have been taken out of context. But there are some messages that require no spin to make them look bad. There appears to be evidence here of attempts to prevent scientific data from being released(2,3), and even to destroy material that was subject to a freedom of information request(4).

Worse still, some of the emails suggest efforts to prevent the publication of work by climate sceptics(5,6), or to keep it out of a report by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change(7). I believe that the head of the unit, Phil Jones, should now resign. Some of the data discussed in the emails should be re-analysed.

Leading a g w proponent/activist G. Monbiot”

“you can find all the emails on the internet. Or do you only parade around with those that agree”

“I don't think you realize how big this story will become. "Trick the data to hide the decline" BUSTED!
"I see dead people"”

“Crazy... and tragic. They would sacrifice the future of their own children,.­. all our children for the sake of some delusional ideology. delusioner­s,... hatriots.”

“You seem a little pissed about a common sense response to an obviously fanatical comment, maybe it's time you read something other than HuffPo... just sayin'.”

“Start reading.

http://bishophill.squarespace.com/blog/2009/11/20/climate-cuttings-33.html”

“Good God, it's all over the freaking internet. Delusioners? that's the dumbest response I've heard yet. It's like you're suggesting they don't actually exist. Look in the mirror for an image of delusion.”

“This has typical denier MO all over it.

Pounce on something ridiculously, patently false or misleading and ride it to death - get off and walk away like it never happened and on to the next circus ride.

They can't assail the science so they focus on character assassination and ad hominem attacks through quote mining of emails.”

“It sure has given them the mother lode of one liners though....”

“That's because you're a fucking idiot.”

“http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2009/11/the-cru-hack/
http://briefingroom.typepad.com/the_briefing_room/2009/11/hadleycru-says-leaked-data-is-real.html

George Monbiot, a writer and environmental activist many consider to be Great Britain's Al Gore.

Contrary to what newspapers like the New York Times and the Washington Post are telling their readers, Monbiot accurately said there's "no use pretending that this isn’t a major blow. The emails extracted by a hacker from the climatic research unit at the University of East Anglia could scarcely be more damaging"”

“It's funny... I've tried to post some of the emails in comments here, but they're moderated out.

Way to go Huffpost!”

“I guess it's just hidden in plain sight for you. You see what you want to see, not what's actually there.”

“...never been through a deposition have you? The only thing private about emails might be what clothes you were wearing when you created the email.

Everything else is spread over the globe on hundreds of servers.

Email privacy? Get over it.”

“They appear to have violated the FOI act. When taxpayer funded employees are caught red-handed in fraud, it's a victory for the people.”

“Very well said!!”

“I doubt anyone on the boards here posted the emails in a public forum.

Somehow, people on the left find trangressions bad when it shows their people in a bad light, but patriotic when it shows the right in a bad light.”

“Sorry MGhamma, but you are wrong. The CRU is an organization funded by the taxpayers of the US and the UK. That server and its data is therefore our property. Under the FOIA, which exists both here and in the UK, that data is supposed to be publicly available. Some of the emails explicitly discuss Phil Jones stating he will delete files rather than hand them over to FOIA requests, and requesting colleagues in the US delete their emails (i.e. destroying evidence). Both of these actions are criminal acts.

The hacker/lea­ker/disclo­ser was merely "correcting" the illegal security policies being practiced on the CRU server by an organization out of control and refusing to comply with the law. Those emails were by no means in any way "private".”