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Does the Senate Bill Hurt Retirees?
Commented Dec 22, 2009 at 13:31:35 in Politics
“I've seen the framing of the HCR debate mostly from the opponents of the bill. They get more air time claiming death panels, high taxes, govt takeover, socialized medicine, can't see my doctor any more, along w all the US Chamber of Commerce anti-reform ads than those who support the bill. Those supporting the bill, trying to explain what is in and what is not in the bill get very little air time. No wonder the polls show support for the bill is falling. The ant-HCR has won with their 24/7 lies, misinformation.
There are some good, substantial things, helpful things in the bill as you have mentioned. The dems need to pass this HCR, and move on to next legislation. There is no need to take 12 months to pass legislation - something is seriously wrong with our congress.”
There are some good, substantial things, helpful things in the bill as you have mentioned. The dems need to pass this HCR, and move on to next legislation. There is no need to take 12 months to pass legislation - something is seriously wrong with our congress.”
Parker Griffith's Cynical Shift to the GOP
Commented Dec 22, 2009 at 13:06:46 in Politics
“"The switch represents a coup for the House Republican leadership, which had been courting Griffith since he publicly criticized the Democratic leadership in the wake of raucous town halls during the summer."
This is a coup for what reason?
You should change parties if you don't/can't support your party. This is no lost, I am sure more 'blue dogs' will move to the party that best fits them. Good riddance..
This is a coup for what reason?
You should change parties if you don't/can't support your party. This is no lost, I am sure more 'blue dogs' will move to the party that best fits them. Good riddance..
Janney replied on Dec 22, 2009 at 16:11:06
“Good riddance to Griffin, he wasn't representing his constituents anyway, He needs to be where he belongs-to the party of NO!”
Robert Byrd's Death Seemingly Wished For By Tom Coburn
Commented Dec 21, 2009 at 15:04:36 in Politics
“My mamma always said 'be careful what you pray for, you might just get it'. Sen. Coburn remarks will go down in history, along with all of the conservative shenanigans played during this HCR. This includes the blue dog conservative dems.”
pottedferne replied on Dec 21, 2009 at 15:14:00
“regardless of what he meant, he said it and it is recorded for posterity.
Senator Tom Coburn Defends Obama Against GOP Attacks
Commented Dec 21, 2009 at 14:52:43 in Politics
“Sen. Coburn was on c-span call-in spewing the same rhetoric. Sure, he likes Obama. Obama is a likeable guy. Why is this a story? Let's discuss why the good senator is not doctoring where the need is instead of spreading the "Family of C Street" evangelical values across the world, especially in poor third world countries. Why is he in the senate? Oh, he did say he had a mal-practice suit against him. Why are there so many conservative doctors in congress instead of out there doctoring where the needs are. Why are they so pro setting limits on mal-practice suits. Isn't that putting the government between you and your doctor? These repubs want it both ways, and all of them to be their way.”
My Five Minutes on Fox
Commented Dec 21, 2009 at 14:00:33 in Media
“Our corporate media does a fine job of lying, distorting the truth, misinforming the american people. Why? It's business. It's greed. It's control. We get this anti cap & trade or anti climate change drummed into us 24/7 by the media which is controlled by big business. If the oil and coal industry can't control the direction of our new energy policies, they will try and kill everything by using their friends in the media. They do this with all legislation where they have to play fair - let the media kill it using talking heads and deceptive ads.
Your going on Huckabee's show to talk pro-cap& trade shows balls and your willingness to go into the lions' den. Hats off to you.
The conservatives are only going to do and vote on what their church tells them. This was said on c-span call-in show by an evangelical democrat who goes to their churches.”
Your going on Huckabee's show to talk pro-cap& trade shows balls and your willingness to go into the lions' den. Hats off to you.
The conservatives are only going to do and vote on what their church tells them. This was said on c-span call-in show by an evangelical democrat who goes to their churches.”
For Obama, No Opportunity Too Big to Blow
Commented Dec 21, 2009 at 13:14:21 in Green
“Ms Klein, et tu? All of this Obama should have, could have is getting us progressive no where. The president is not the progressive, liberal the republicans said he was and democrats fell in line believing this lie. Yes, if he was a progressive him did blow many changes to implement the change we progressive believe in. President Obama is the pragmatist he said he was during the campaign, however he is a centrist just like Bill Clinton. I voted for him and still support him with my eyes wide open.
I would love to have had a FDR, but I got a Bill Clinton. Obama was given a crisis and could have turned the country left of center but he steered the country back toward the center just a tiny bit from the right where Bush43 took us.
The complaining about what Obama should have, could have is playing right into the opposition hands. Why not write about what he has accomplished in his eleven months, one day in office.”
I would love to have had a FDR, but I got a Bill Clinton. Obama was given a crisis and could have turned the country left of center but he steered the country back toward the center just a tiny bit from the right where Bush43 took us.
The complaining about what Obama should have, could have is playing right into the opposition hands. Why not write about what he has accomplished in his eleven months, one day in office.”
Learning from Lieberman
Commented Dec 21, 2009 at 11:41:20 in Politics
“We, progressives keep losing our battles because we don't see what is in front of us. Obama is not, have not been a progressive. He calls himself a pragmatist with left leanings. That may be true but he comes off as a corporate centrist just like Bill Clinton. Obama begged the republicans to get on board with the Recovery Act, now with HCR. He gave many tax cuts in the Recovery Act just like the repubs cried for but they voted against the Act and crowed about it.
When single payer was never on the table even for negotiation purposes, then public option used as competition for the insurance companies many liberals should have realize then what the end game was - no public option. You never start the negotiations where you want to end up. Most thinking folks know this. Progressives got screwed - but still should vote for the bill - so we can stand and fight another day. Losing this HCR will weaken our position on other issues. Progressives need to learn from their mistakes, and need to learn the art of negotiation.
Corporate democrats in the form of DLCs have control of congress and the WH. DNCs like Howard Dean and us, democratic voters are the outsiders. Review how things operated under Bill Clinton to get a taste of what's taking place now and for next few years.
Obama and his team are smart, they will win and I support them but with my eyes wide”
When single payer was never on the table even for negotiation purposes, then public option used as competition for the insurance companies many liberals should have realize then what the end game was - no public option. You never start the negotiations where you want to end up. Most thinking folks know this. Progressives got screwed - but still should vote for the bill - so we can stand and fight another day. Losing this HCR will weaken our position on other issues. Progressives need to learn from their mistakes, and need to learn the art of negotiation.
Corporate democrats in the form of DLCs have control of congress and the WH. DNCs like Howard Dean and us, democratic voters are the outsiders. Review how things operated under Bill Clinton to get a taste of what's taking place now and for next few years.
Obama and his team are smart, they will win and I support them but with my eyes wide”
Coburn: 'We Are Trying To Kill This Bill'
Commented Dec 18, 2009 at 15:52:14 in Politics
“C-Span had the good doctor, Coburn on this morning taking call-ins. He was sprouting the same bull. The c-span host was grinning all over himself at Sen. Coburn. A truly love fest. Ever wonder why many conservative doctors are in congress instead of practicing medicine? There are at least 4 in the house and 3 in the senate.”
PiscesPrincess replied on Dec 18, 2009 at 16:23:57
“No. I never wondered. They were lousy Doctors. that's why. Its called the peter principle. lol”
Why the Left Fails
Commented Dec 18, 2009 at 15:37:53 in Politics
“You failed to mention the corporatism that was built into our system of government by the 'founding fathers'. Their depiction of who had the right to vote is one example - white men owning property. Another is the ruling by the supreme court in the 1900's that corporations were persons. Also recent ruling by same court that money is 'free speech'. It is no incident all of these rulings were in favor of corporations and the oligarchs. The money grabbers have always ruled this country in their conservative rightwing fashion. The only time a progressive agenda gained control of governing is when it is needed to fix what the conservatives have screwed up. G. Washington, A. Lincoln, T. Roosevelt, FDR, JFK, LBJ, Carter, Clinton and Obama all voted in to fix the mess created by conservative corporations and oligards. During progressive tenures progressive laws get enacted and become part of the country fabric.”
Is Truth the Next Casualty in the White House's Push For the Senate Bill?
Commented Dec 18, 2009 at 10:08:55 in Politics
“Your comments are welcome but at this stage of the game what is your point. The republicans w their corporate media has been allowed to put forth lie, after lie to the american people when you and your ilk have remained silent and let their bull poison the air waves. Now you cry about this and about that. Please..
The dems should pass the bill in the senate and do conference with the house, then get the darn thing to the president for signing. All of this second guessing, bashing Obama and the dems need to stop. For once get some unity within our party and get the job done. Everybody wants his or her point acknowledged and debated. It's tiring and counterproductive. There will be time to make amends to the bill before most of what you write about comes to pass - did you say 2019? What's your beef, sir.”
The dems should pass the bill in the senate and do conference with the house, then get the darn thing to the president for signing. All of this second guessing, bashing Obama and the dems need to stop. For once get some unity within our party and get the job done. Everybody wants his or her point acknowledged and debated. It's tiring and counterproductive. There will be time to make amends to the bill before most of what you write about comes to pass - did you say 2019? What's your beef, sir.”
WritusMaximus replied on Dec 18, 2009 at 16:57:51
“I agree. Let's give our prez Obama his much needed victory and pass the damned thing, Reform or not!”
Sweet Sixteen replied on Dec 18, 2009 at 12:21:06
“So my premium should increase so you can have coverage?”
ThePeacemakers replied on Dec 18, 2009 at 12:16:34
“You're being lied to.
They keep citing in the media the 30 million or so new customers that will bring profits to the insurance industry. The biggest lie that is being sold is that because of this windfall and big pool the industry will be able to keep prices down.
Remember when they, O administration included, said TARP was necessary to get banks lending again? What did the banks do with THEIR government subsidy? One thing they did was start buying other banks. The administration is still, supposedly, begging them to lend.
The health insurance industryn will use their profits to merge into even bigger monopolies. That's been the CONSISTENT trend of big businesses the last 40 years or so. The bill does not remove the health insurance industry's exemption from anti trust laws.
One has to wonder if the plan isn't to create a "too big to fail" health insurance industry - one or two major companies eventually - that has access to permanent bailout taxpayer money through mandates on people to purchase their product.
The trend that the O administration and their economic advisors seem to be encouraging is even more of the economy becoming "privatize the profits, socialize the losses."
You see it with the military (expansion of gov't contracts to private contractors), the financial industry (TARP) and NOW through healthcare. That is what's happening right before your eyes.
THAT IS WHAT THEY'RE SELLING.”
They keep citing in the media the 30 million or so new customers that will bring profits to the insurance industry. The biggest lie that is being sold is that because of this windfall and big pool the industry will be able to keep prices down.
Remember when they, O administration included, said TARP was necessary to get banks lending again? What did the banks do with THEIR government subsidy? One thing they did was start buying other banks. The administration is still, supposedly, begging them to lend.
The health insurance industryn will use their profits to merge into even bigger monopolies. That's been the CONSISTENT trend of big businesses the last 40 years or so. The bill does not remove the health insurance industry's exemption from anti trust laws.
One has to wonder if the plan isn't to create a "too big to fail" health insurance industry - one or two major companies eventually - that has access to permanent bailout taxpayer money through mandates on people to purchase their product.
The trend that the O administration and their economic advisors seem to be encouraging is even more of the economy becoming "privatize the profits, socialize the losses."
You see it with the military (expansion of gov't contracts to private contractors), the financial industry (TARP) and NOW through healthcare. That is what's happening right before your eyes.
THAT IS WHAT THEY'RE SELLING.”
zipowitz replied on Dec 18, 2009 at 11:01:24
“What makes you think that the same group that can't get it even close to right, WHEN THEY HAVE A MAJORITY, will even be capable of making amends some time in the future?”
Slouching Toward Health Care Reform
Commented Dec 17, 2009 at 13:51:57 in Politics
“Mr. Reich, I've admired you for years in getting the real message out to the people. What we have here is a WH that's not progressive, but centrist. When the president selected Rahm for his chief of staff I knew then that liberals and progressives were not going to get what we want. We have to remember the actions of the president when he was trying to get the "Recovery Plan' passed thru congress his greatest concern was courting the republicans. The bill was enacted with more items the conservative wanted than what progressives wanted. At the start of the HCR, single payer was taken off the table and the desire to maintain the private system was first in line. I believe the HCR should pass for some of things are beneficial.
One thing to take away from these 11 months of a democratic congress and administration is that they will take liberals and progressives for granted if we don't fight, fight, and as FDR said 'I believe in the things that you believe in, but you have to make me do what you want me to do. Make me'. We have to make this admin and congress do what progressives and liberals want. If not they will do what the status quo corporations want thing to do.”
One thing to take away from these 11 months of a democratic congress and administration is that they will take liberals and progressives for granted if we don't fight, fight, and as FDR said 'I believe in the things that you believe in, but you have to make me do what you want me to do. Make me'. We have to make this admin and congress do what progressives and liberals want. If not they will do what the status quo corporations want thing to do.”
youknow replied on Dec 17, 2009 at 15:33:08
“Declare Marshall Law and issue an executive order for a single payer plan. Don't let Congress back in until they all sign a pledge not to fight it. Well good luck with that one.”
Jodo replied on Dec 17, 2009 at 14:14:02
“I would not define Obama as a centrist. He's far from it. He may be centrist compared to the Republicans but they're so far right they've driven off the cliff. Obama is governing from the right and he's become an absolute fraud when looking at his rhetoric during the campaign. Arianna is correct when she called this health care bill a bail-out for the insurance and pharmaceutical industries. Mandating people to buy health insurance from private companies with no option is not expanding coverage to 30 million people. This is absurd and disgraceful.”
Health Care Without Bankruptcy, Please
Commented Dec 17, 2009 at 13:11:10 in Politics
“Mr. Feldman, I love you folks coming out crying death, death, financial ruins if we do this or do that. I carefully read your article looking for your solution to the HCR. I only found you saying that more time is needed to work this problem out. What's time w/o a solution. What about the other side of the aisle only offering - nothing.
Most critics of HCR come in one of two stripes: 1) stop it and start over, too expensive, concentrate on job creation or It's a socialist program, or 2) not enough folks are covered and no plan to ensure the insurance industry does not rip the people off.
Let's talk seriously about how the industry is getting ready to gained 30 mil clients with no public option to give them competition. Let's talk about how the US Chamber of Commerce and other corporate groups have lied to the people in their ads and thru the lobbyists.
Mr. Feldman, if you want to have a serious discussion, lay it all on the table on, not on what is not proposed in the bill but the lies corporation are selling to keep the system as it is. Why don't ya..... All critics talk about it's the govt' s fault as if it is an abstract thing, but the govt is men and women most acting as whores with their hands out to the very corporations that ripping us off. Why not discuss that.”
Most critics of HCR come in one of two stripes: 1) stop it and start over, too expensive, concentrate on job creation or It's a socialist program, or 2) not enough folks are covered and no plan to ensure the insurance industry does not rip the people off.
Let's talk seriously about how the industry is getting ready to gained 30 mil clients with no public option to give them competition. Let's talk about how the US Chamber of Commerce and other corporate groups have lied to the people in their ads and thru the lobbyists.
Mr. Feldman, if you want to have a serious discussion, lay it all on the table on, not on what is not proposed in the bill but the lies corporation are selling to keep the system as it is. Why don't ya..... All critics talk about it's the govt' s fault as if it is an abstract thing, but the govt is men and women most acting as whores with their hands out to the very corporations that ripping us off. Why not discuss that.”
RichardU replied on Dec 17, 2009 at 14:08:07
“The Republicans have pushed for reforms, it's just Democrats don't like them. Tort reform, sale of policies across state borders, purchasing pools for individual insurance, the same tax treatment for individual insurance as employer-provided insurance, insurance you can keep after leaving your job, stop insurance from dropping customers after they get sick (rather than forcing insurance companies to accept people after they are sick), improve health savings accounts (taxed for one), encourage insurance companies to provide premium rebates for healthy lifestyle choices.
I'm sure there's more, but that's the list I can come up with quickly. In any case, I oppose anything that mandates every American to support an industry that takes 30 cents of every dollar they receive and provides absolutely nothing to the system. How in the world is that acceptable to anyone? When an industry fails to deliver what people want and need, it should die. It should not be propped up by the government.”
I'm sure there's more, but that's the list I can come up with quickly. In any case, I oppose anything that mandates every American to support an industry that takes 30 cents of every dollar they receive and provides absolutely nothing to the system. How in the world is that acceptable to anyone? When an industry fails to deliver what people want and need, it should die. It should not be propped up by the government.”
WinterParkMom replied on Dec 17, 2009 at 13:52:59
“Here are my solutions for the completely compromised bill as it stands:
How will this bill mandate that all working Americans buy private insurance without any cost regulations on private insurance companies?
Does the bill cap out of pocket expenses and deductibles, annual and lifetime?
Why doesn't the bill mandate insurance rates based on income?
Why does it not cap rate increases at 0% for 1st five years for new customers and only 1% every two years for existing customers?
Does the bill explicitly say there will be no caps on insurance coverage, annual or lifetime?
Why doesn't the bill include windfall taxes?
Why doesn't the bill mandate that rates be based on income?
Why doesn't the bill specifically include minimum of 100k fines for dropping customers in good standing, it's wrong. Fines to be paid into medicare?.
Why doesn't the bill include criminal (murder) charges for any individual making a decision to drop a customer and then customer dies?
Why doesn't the bill include a repeal of the antitrust legislation that allows these murderers to operate with impunity?”
How will this bill mandate that all working Americans buy private insurance without any cost regulations on private insurance companies?
Does the bill cap out of pocket expenses and deductibles, annual and lifetime?
Why doesn't the bill mandate insurance rates based on income?
Why does it not cap rate increases at 0% for 1st five years for new customers and only 1% every two years for existing customers?
Does the bill explicitly say there will be no caps on insurance coverage, annual or lifetime?
Why doesn't the bill include windfall taxes?
Why doesn't the bill mandate that rates be based on income?
Why doesn't the bill specifically include minimum of 100k fines for dropping customers in good standing, it's wrong. Fines to be paid into medicare?.
Why doesn't the bill include criminal (murder) charges for any individual making a decision to drop a customer and then customer dies?
Why doesn't the bill include a repeal of the antitrust legislation that allows these murderers to operate with impunity?”
More and More, Obama Seems a Faux Liberal
Commented Dec 16, 2009 at 15:06:46 in Politics
“Mr. MacArthur, I see you are another person who has bought hook and line into the republican strawman about Obama being a 'liberal'. He never portrayed himself as a liberal, ever. Proof of this pudding was when he selected his economic team, his defense team, his cabinet, and most of all his chief of staff. I expect more from left leaning writers, opinion makers, etc. to do some research on your own and not fall for the republican, corporate media spin every time they utter their lies. The american people deserves better from you.
So now that President Obama is not the 'liberal' the republicans made you believe he was, you have buyer's remorse. Obama is a pragmatist, centrist that leans to the left. Period, that's it. He is another democrat like Bill Clinton who will try to steer the country towards the center. Get over your disappointment, open your eyes to what we have - a man who is going to do great things for the USA, and you have the power with your pen to help make him do it. Thank you very much.”
So now that President Obama is not the 'liberal' the republicans made you believe he was, you have buyer's remorse. Obama is a pragmatist, centrist that leans to the left. Period, that's it. He is another democrat like Bill Clinton who will try to steer the country towards the center. Get over your disappointment, open your eyes to what we have - a man who is going to do great things for the USA, and you have the power with your pen to help make him do it. Thank you very much.”
WritusMaximus replied on Dec 16, 2009 at 16:57:15
“In subtraction, Obama got plenty of dough from Goldman Sacks & Howe, reason enough to NOT believe that he was a liberal. In further subtraction, in 2008 a campaign staffer blurted out that Obama wasn't serious about renegotiating NAFTA and other trade deals, and she was right.”
cb750 replied on Dec 16, 2009 at 15:55:31
“So you are blaming the right cause you claim they labeled Obama a liberal and somehow tricked democrats into voting for Obama and NO democrat came to that conclusion on their own and NOBODY on the left promoted Obama as a liberal?
Really? So NO democrat is to blame? That's seriously messed up reasoning.”
Really? So NO democrat is to blame? That's seriously messed up reasoning.”
jmpurser replied on Dec 16, 2009 at 15:26:27
“Actually he ran on "hope" and "change" and attacked the status quo repeatedly. Yes, he ran as a liberal. Just barely but he did at least pretend to be on our side.”
timregler replied on Dec 16, 2009 at 15:17:17
“perfectly stated. thank you.”
Thousands In Midwest Seek Medical Attention At Free Health Fair
Commented Dec 11, 2009 at 15:46:32 in Impact
“Today I read an editorial in WSJ by John Fund where he was hoping there will be more anti-HCR ads forth coming from the ChamberofCommerce to further sink the HCR bill. He said so far the ads are doing a great job turning people against ObamaCare.
That is it, folks - the Insurance Industry wants new people but without any restraints from govt. Also, our democratic senators are acting like harlots selling themselves to the highest bidder. Today Bill Nelson from FL got his hand out saying he will not vote for anything that's got medicare opt-in. Most of these begging senators are blue dogs democrats building up their re-election war chest. They are saying let's take the money while the lobbyists are giving it out. Next year it will be the energy industry when the climate change legislation gets debated in the senate. Their hands will be out again.
Now we have people w/o insurance, can't see a doctor and our elected representatives are acting like harlots.”
That is it, folks - the Insurance Industry wants new people but without any restraints from govt. Also, our democratic senators are acting like harlots selling themselves to the highest bidder. Today Bill Nelson from FL got his hand out saying he will not vote for anything that's got medicare opt-in. Most of these begging senators are blue dogs democrats building up their re-election war chest. They are saying let's take the money while the lobbyists are giving it out. Next year it will be the energy industry when the climate change legislation gets debated in the senate. Their hands will be out again.
Now we have people w/o insurance, can't see a doctor and our elected representatives are acting like harlots.”
'Obama Doctrine' Praised By Conservatives After Nobel Speech
Commented Dec 11, 2009 at 11:29:56 in Politics
“The corporate media both print and air should stop this conservative nonsense. It seems as no one checked out what President Obama said on the campaign trail about the Iraq war - dumb, and the Afghanistan war, the just war. From day one these conservatives have been so busy painting him as a liberal, a socialist, ant-war, whatever that they missed the whole picture about Obama. The Olso speech was no surprise to me because the president is not a pacifist as the right-wing said nor is he a liberal. He is a pragmatist with left leanings. He wants to hear everyone's ideas.
If President Obama was a republican they would love him dearly, but he's a democrat. They disliked Bill Clinton, not for his policies, but that he was a democrat. Truth be told, as FedChair Greenspan said Clinton is the best president the republicans ever had.
President Obama is an american president who is trying to do what is best for the average american. All of the issues confronting him today were created by conservative right-wing governance - the wars, the economy, the jobs lost. What he is trying to do is turn our ship of state around to sail in a center position without swaying too far right or left, and that's good governing.”
If President Obama was a republican they would love him dearly, but he's a democrat. They disliked Bill Clinton, not for his policies, but that he was a democrat. Truth be told, as FedChair Greenspan said Clinton is the best president the republicans ever had.
President Obama is an american president who is trying to do what is best for the average american. All of the issues confronting him today were created by conservative right-wing governance - the wars, the economy, the jobs lost. What he is trying to do is turn our ship of state around to sail in a center position without swaying too far right or left, and that's good governing.”
Hank10303 replied on Dec 11, 2009 at 11:52:27
“I agree with all that you said. The point many are missing is that this President, as every president before him and after should be, is a President for all Americans, even those that didn't vote for him. However, the politics of party and governing concepts often interferes with how and what a President will do. What many do is adhere to a party even when some of that parties concepts are too far left or right; i.e., an anti-abortion stand is clearly unconstitutional just as a total ban on guns would be unconstitutional. The only logical way to govern is as a centrist; which is what President Obama is and has always projected in his policies. Those on the right and left only hear the things he says that they like and attack what they don’t. We all should listen and process what he says and we then would understand he has moderate "pragmatic" views (as you stated) not extreme ones.”
tbone99 replied on Dec 11, 2009 at 11:34:23
“"President Obama is an american president who is trying to do what is best for the average american."
Only if you consider the average American to be a corporate CEO.”
Only if you consider the average American to be a corporate CEO.”
Contradictory Republicans Still Flummoxed By Medicare
Commented Dec 10, 2009 at 14:58:41 in Politics
“Finally I am reading where someone is calling out the repubs for their contradictory, don't know where they stand rhetoric that the corporate MSM feeds us 24/7 as gospel. They say Obama should stay home and do something about creating jobs for the american people; then they say govt can't create job only the private sector can create jobs. So why isn't the private sector creating jobs?
During the recession of 2001, they said that business should get tax cuts so they can create jobs, Bush43 gave the biggest tax cuts to them in 2001 and 2003; but we had a 'jobless' recovery all during their 8 years in control, and more jobs left this country. They said they were going to get Bin Laden dead or alive, 8 years later he's still roaming around.
Thanks, Bob for pinpointing these contradictions.”
During the recession of 2001, they said that business should get tax cuts so they can create jobs, Bush43 gave the biggest tax cuts to them in 2001 and 2003; but we had a 'jobless' recovery all during their 8 years in control, and more jobs left this country. They said they were going to get Bin Laden dead or alive, 8 years later he's still roaming around.
Thanks, Bob for pinpointing these contradictions.”
Invictus: Obama's Liberal Warrior Speech in Oslo
Commented Dec 10, 2009 at 14:18:52 in Politics
“Jacob, how can you be so sucked into the right wing painting of President Obama as being liberal. He is not. He is a pragmatist w left leanings. What he talked about on the campaign trail was pragmatism in his approach to governing. He has done exactly that since he was sworn in.
You, the left leaning writers and tv/radio hosts/guests do a disservice to the american people when you follow the right-wing talking points as the gospel. They are the ones trying to paint Obama as liberal when he is not. He has the same mind-set and ideology as Bill Clinton and the DLCs, not the DNCs.
During the campaign Obama said that Afghan was the war to fight, not Iraq. He has not changed his mind. I am not surprised that he sent more troops to Afghan. Those who saw something different than what he campaigned on don't want to admit that they read the tea leaves wrong and listened too much to right-wing talk.”
You, the left leaning writers and tv/radio hosts/guests do a disservice to the american people when you follow the right-wing talking points as the gospel. They are the ones trying to paint Obama as liberal when he is not. He has the same mind-set and ideology as Bill Clinton and the DLCs, not the DNCs.
During the campaign Obama said that Afghan was the war to fight, not Iraq. He has not changed his mind. I am not surprised that he sent more troops to Afghan. Those who saw something different than what he campaigned on don't want to admit that they read the tea leaves wrong and listened too much to right-wing talk.”
andrewbown replied on Dec 10, 2009 at 15:46:58
“You are so right. Anyone with any sence should have known that the President would not fulfill the liberal fantasies of some nor the conservitive delusions of others. He's thoughtful and human. If people are looking for perfection, I sugest they die and go to heaven. But until then, let us think more about the persuit of a more perfect government.”
What It Takes to Make a Republican Mad
Commented Dec 09, 2009 at 13:52:58 in Politics
“This is a good article in keeping what those repubs clowns did for the past eight years and what their enablers in congress went along with. Unfortunately, corporate MSM spews rhetoric and propaganda trying to whitewash what their co-conspirators in govt did for 8 years to now blaming Obama for all the troubles. Guess what - many folks believe the corporate media lies and the ads.
All one needs to is listen to the c-span call-ins from repubs and right leaning independent, it's all the democrats and Obama fault saying they are turning this country to socialist, the deficit will burden our children, we are paying too much taxes. You name it, they say it right straight from FOX Cable or talk radio.
Thank you Mr. Elisberg. Keep it up.”
All one needs to is listen to the c-span call-ins from repubs and right leaning independent, it's all the democrats and Obama fault saying they are turning this country to socialist, the deficit will burden our children, we are paying too much taxes. You name it, they say it right straight from FOX Cable or talk radio.
Thank you Mr. Elisberg. Keep it up.”
Obama Fails To Move The Needle With His Jobs Speech
Commented Dec 09, 2009 at 13:29:16 in Politics
“Let President Obama and his team do what they have to do without the second guessing from everybody with a pen to criticize and a tv show to gab on.
This time last year the world was scare s***less about this economic meltdown. Jobs were being lost to a tune of hundreds of thousands a quarter, 401-ks were shrinking faster than you blink your eyes. All brought to us by conservative big business ideology.
One year later, financial system thriving 401-ks growing, job losses decreased last quarter. The folks in govt had to do something to stop the hemorrhaging. Our situation is better today, not perfect but looking up.
So what do people complaint about - Obama should have done this, done that; should have said this, said that. The progressive crying caused he didn't add more stimulus money, the conservatives crying cause in his Afghan speech he did not scare the daylights out of us like Bush/Cheney had done, that he set a time to review and start bringing the troops home.
All I hear and read about is complaining, whining, death squads, govt takeover, budget deficits, war, war, troop surge, 2010 election, throw the bums out. Where is the positive thinking about how fortunate we are to have govt folks running the show that want to turn the big ship of state around to benefit all americans no matter how rich or poor you are.”
This time last year the world was scare s***less about this economic meltdown. Jobs were being lost to a tune of hundreds of thousands a quarter, 401-ks were shrinking faster than you blink your eyes. All brought to us by conservative big business ideology.
One year later, financial system thriving 401-ks growing, job losses decreased last quarter. The folks in govt had to do something to stop the hemorrhaging. Our situation is better today, not perfect but looking up.
So what do people complaint about - Obama should have done this, done that; should have said this, said that. The progressive crying caused he didn't add more stimulus money, the conservatives crying cause in his Afghan speech he did not scare the daylights out of us like Bush/Cheney had done, that he set a time to review and start bringing the troops home.
All I hear and read about is complaining, whining, death squads, govt takeover, budget deficits, war, war, troop surge, 2010 election, throw the bums out. Where is the positive thinking about how fortunate we are to have govt folks running the show that want to turn the big ship of state around to benefit all americans no matter how rich or poor you are.”
weebils replied on Dec 09, 2009 at 13:49:26
“Agree 100%”
SorenB replied on Dec 09, 2009 at 13:30:41
“Positive thinking without meaningful action is just a waste of brain cells.”
'RedNeck Rap' Author Bill Otto Apologizes, But Stands By Rhyme
Commented Dec 07, 2009 at 16:02:40 in Politics
“This whole litany of Obamaphobia is 50% that he is a democrat and 50% he is black. Much of the same was thrown at Bill Clinton, especially the policy phobias. Bill had the sex added in, now Obama has the race added in. Same corporate msm conservative talking points trying to make the country into a center-right nation. The people voted in 2006 and 2008 that they want a country with a progressive agenda. That they had enough of the conservative agenda that start wars, cut taxes for the rich, and rip off middle america.
The 'tea baggers' ilk such as Rep. Otto is spouting the typical conservative talking points about democrats. Since Obama is balck, it's the race thing. But bottom line it's all conservative ideology of race baiting, or sex, or religion, or guns, or gays, or affirmative action, or abortion. Pick one...”
The 'tea baggers' ilk such as Rep. Otto is spouting the typical conservative talking points about democrats. Since Obama is balck, it's the race thing. But bottom line it's all conservative ideology of race baiting, or sex, or religion, or guns, or gays, or affirmative action, or abortion. Pick one...”
Tea Party Beats GOP In Generic Ballot: Poll
Commented Dec 07, 2009 at 15:21:53 in Politics
“Folks, everybody needs to watch CharlieRose on Bloomberg Cable. His show is the most insightful and comprehensive opinion show around, PBS JimLeher News Hour is second, but can be overly 'right-wing' at times. Both show gives more indepth coverage of the issues without the sound bites. Viewer comes away learning something valueable.
Corporate MSM is the mouthpiece for big business, and conservatives are closest to their world agenda than progressives or liberals. This is why folks of the 'teabaggers' ilk get some much air time. They are put out there to stop or clouded up the democratic policy agenda, namely HCR, climate change, etc. Insurance Industries want HCR but only want the 47 mil that will be added, and most of them with some govt subsidy. The tv/radio ads tell us what they want - no public option. So the conservatives in congress and the tea baggers are conduits for the insurance companies in repeating all the lies scaring the american people.”
Corporate MSM is the mouthpiece for big business, and conservatives are closest to their world agenda than progressives or liberals. This is why folks of the 'teabaggers' ilk get some much air time. They are put out there to stop or clouded up the democratic policy agenda, namely HCR, climate change, etc. Insurance Industries want HCR but only want the 47 mil that will be added, and most of them with some govt subsidy. The tv/radio ads tell us what they want - no public option. So the conservatives in congress and the tea baggers are conduits for the insurance companies in repeating all the lies scaring the american people.”
Shocked -- Or Not? New Data Shows Abortion Quite Common In Most Red States
Commented Dec 01, 2009 at 13:51:59 in Politics
“I live in a red state, even though President carried the state, but their motto is "do what I tell you, not as I do'. For years the well to do have taken their daughters and wives to hospital for a procedure called 'DNC', but complained that abortions should be illegals. Such hypocrites!!!
Now the GOP and Bluedogs have gotten the updated Hyde amendment against abortion in the house HCR bill along w help from the Catholic Bishops, it's time to talk about no govt funding for Viagra pills and take away the tax-exempt status from the churches. What's good for the goose is good for the gander.”
Now the GOP and Bluedogs have gotten the updated Hyde amendment against abortion in the house HCR bill along w help from the Catholic Bishops, it's time to talk about no govt funding for Viagra pills and take away the tax-exempt status from the churches. What's good for the goose is good for the gander.”
Bush Officials, RNC Praise Obama's Afghan Knowledge And Surge Strategy
Commented Dec 01, 2009 at 13:24:25 in Politics
“If you tie up the country's resources in war, war, military, military spending - there is no money for anything else. That's the GOP plan since the 1980's. Oh, cut taxes - that's their plan too. Every problem has one or two solutions - go to war or cut taxes.
Anyone notice how c-span's WashJournal sounds like FOX news every morning. It's like c-span becoming an arm of the RNC and Fox.”
Anyone notice how c-span's WashJournal sounds like FOX news every morning. It's like c-span becoming an arm of the RNC and Fox.”
Anti-Reform Ads Blanket Critical Health Care States
Commented Dec 01, 2009 at 13:09:25 in Politics
“There are a few anti-reform ads showing up in Fayetteville NC, one is the chamber of commerce ad with Rep. Mike McInyre. He voted against the house bill as well as our new Rep. Kissell who beat out GOP Robin Hayes last year. Our other representative Etheridge voted for the bill. We know these ads are for our senators - Hagan and Burr. We know GOP Burr will vote against the senate bill, not sure about Hagan.
What needs to be debated more is that the Insurance companies want reform so they can get those additional 30 mil people with all them getting subsidized be govt. These companies want the money with NO CONTROL. Blue dog Dems and GOP want to give this nice present to these companies with no public option.”
What needs to be debated more is that the Insurance companies want reform so they can get those additional 30 mil people with all them getting subsidized be govt. These companies want the money with NO CONTROL. Blue dog Dems and GOP want to give this nice present to these companies with no public option.”
minerva117 replied on Dec 02, 2009 at 11:31:25
“The GOP and "blue dog" Dems are merely doing the bidding of their Corporate Paymasters. The fools who are persuaded to agree with them should check and see who profits and who gets scr*wed before throwing their support to the sharks!”
A Different Kind Of Tears For Obama
Commented Dec 01, 2009 at 12:13:21 in World
“I listened to all the complaints - Obama should do this, should do that, he didn't do this and should do that. What is the poor man to do. It's a good thing that he has his own mind. I voted for him and trust him to do the correct thing based on the information that he has, to include classified information. USA is a big country with 300 plus million people and every persuasion is wanting his blood.
This reminds me of Bill Clinton's time in office - everybody had an opinion on what he should do or not do. The GOP went after him from day one only because he was a democrat. But Clinton balanced the budget, raised taxes, cut welfare out, grew the economy, passed the corporate GOP sponsored NAFTA bill, then left a surplus. It took him 8 years to do this. Now we heard very little complaints for next 8 years while GOP Bush 43 started two wars and put the tab on credit card, cut taxes for the top 1% and put that on the credit card, oversaw the biggest economic meltdown since great depression. Nobody complained.
Now Obama, another democrat gets into office and everybody has a complaint. They have been complaining since January 21, 2009 because he hadn't created jobs, balanced the budget, and stopped the two wars. Americans in the US are unrealistic and living in tv show land. Give the president a chance.”
This reminds me of Bill Clinton's time in office - everybody had an opinion on what he should do or not do. The GOP went after him from day one only because he was a democrat. But Clinton balanced the budget, raised taxes, cut welfare out, grew the economy, passed the corporate GOP sponsored NAFTA bill, then left a surplus. It took him 8 years to do this. Now we heard very little complaints for next 8 years while GOP Bush 43 started two wars and put the tab on credit card, cut taxes for the top 1% and put that on the credit card, oversaw the biggest economic meltdown since great depression. Nobody complained.
Now Obama, another democrat gets into office and everybody has a complaint. They have been complaining since January 21, 2009 because he hadn't created jobs, balanced the budget, and stopped the two wars. Americans in the US are unrealistic and living in tv show land. Give the president a chance.”
Elizabeth75 replied on Dec 01, 2009 at 14:25:14
“Fanned.”
MadridFrank replied on Dec 01, 2009 at 12:53:28
“The amazing thing about Bush was the universal support he received-8 yrs- from press and people ! I guess Obama is losing support for being different?! OUT OF AFGANISTAN NOW! CREATE JOBS! SELL THE GOLF CLUBS!”
PartyPartyParty replied on Dec 01, 2009 at 12:52:28
“I gave this tired old corporate ho of a political system plenty of chances. I'm sick and tired of being told that a shift between two ruling parties is any kind of change.
Real change will come when we have publicly financed elections. Until then, we're hosed.”
Real change will come when we have publicly financed elections. Until then, we're hosed.”
lovemycivicduty replied on Dec 01, 2009 at 12:28:52
“He's certainly not a "poor man". And even if he was, I'm sure Goldman has a cushy position waiting for him after his "service" to our country. Or maybe he'll go lobby in some foreign country for Big Business, away from the hatred that will continue to grow for him at "home". Politics in this country is two sides of the same coin. One has Military on it (Republican) and the other has Finance (Democrat). Military Industrial Complex anyone?”
dancinggrandma replied on Dec 01, 2009 at 12:23:42
“fanned & faved! Nicely put:)”
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