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Dems Discussing Public Option With Opt-Out Clause: The Silver Bullet?

Dems Discussing Public Option With Opt-Out Clause: The Silver Bullet?

Commented Oct 07, 2009 at 22:26:04 in Politics

“Health care for all is the ideal AsISaid but I fail to see the hypocrisy in favoring health care for MOST (temporarily) v.s healthcare for none permanently. If this is successful wouldn't you think that a dissatisfied public in states opting out would probably opt out of re-electing the fools in their state legislatures voting to deny them coverage?

Unfortunately there is no-opting out of Insurance Bean-Counter Bureaucracy.”

AsISaid replied on Oct 07, 2009 at 22:36:29

“Actually, I believe in standing by my principles. IF it comes down to a total defeat, then I will accept incremental changes. But we aren't there yet. I think health care is a right, or should be, and it should not be predicated on your income, your health history, or....wher­e you live. We got rid of many of the discriminatory practices that were practiced in some states with the Civil Rights Act. This is no different to me with respect to state by state differences. Why would I support - at this time - a proposal that would guarantee that citizens of one state will have rights different from citizens in another state? I want to have this all fought out before I cave in to this type of major concession. We all should fight up until the bitter end.”
Dems Discussing Public Option With Opt-Out Clause: The Silver Bullet?

Dems Discussing Public Option With Opt-Out Clause: The Silver Bullet?

Commented Oct 07, 2009 at 21:40:13 in Politics

“I actually think this is an incredibly smart idea since I live in an extremely Blue State...as long as states have to opt out through a state legislative vote or ballot initiative I have absolutely no problem with it.”

jwredd replied on Oct 07, 2009 at 21:43:01

“"either by referendum, legislature, or simply a gubernatorial decree"
It's the last part that would worry me if I lived in some crazy place like Texas or South Carolina.”
Drug Industry Payback For White House Surrender: $150 Million In TV Advertising

Drug Industry Payback For White House Surrender: $150 Million In TV Advertising

Commented Aug 09, 2009 at 02:10:04 in Politics

“"Pharma produces something unique: pharmaceutical innovation.

Pharma takes a risk, deserves some kind of reward.

Insurance? No risk in that. There are plenty of people around. They will fall ill, that is certain.

What risk is there in being in the business of shuffling papers between sick people and doctors?

Not much. There will always be plenty of sick people.

Researching a new drug? Lots and lots of risk there.

I'm OK with Pharma making a profit.

Not insurance. Or hospitals.­"

I actually agree with you on this. If pharma can help I say let them help. The option is still open for Congress to modify later but I am willing to compromise with at least a robust public option in lieu of single payer for the time being: not everything can be free but it should be fair. The insurance industry broke the system not big pharma. Since when did the denial of a prescription lead to bankruptcy?”
Minnesota Decision: Supreme Court Rules For Franken, Coleman Concedes (VIDEO)

Minnesota Decision: Supreme Court Rules For Franken, Coleman Concedes (VIDEO)

Commented Jun 30, 2009 at 18:19:48 in Politics

“Great news! Hopefully Democrats will have the spine to actually use the super-majority for a strong public option. Call your congressman and two senators now!”
Bailed Out Banks Sought Foreign Workers For High-Paying Jobs: AP

Bailed Out Banks Sought Foreign Workers For High-Paying Jobs: AP

Commented Feb 01, 2009 at 13:38:14 in Business

“Show me an american that can be trained in software engineering with no prior experience and I will show you Bill Gates circa 1970. It takes years to amass this knowledge and we're talking Phd. and Masters candidates here not uneducated labor from Mexico.

Get a degree in engineering instead of wasting your undergraduate years without a beer bong and then talk.

It's the U.S education system's fault not the fault of countries who can actually produce results.”

DelvinMcGee replied on Feb 01, 2009 at 14:41:05

“More people come to the US to go to college from outside the US then all other countries combined. Your point is again?”
Rush Limbaugh:

Rush Limbaugh: "I Think Obama Wants Me To Fail"

Commented Jan 26, 2009 at 19:19:45 in Politics

“Well technically, he already has failed...t­hrice in marriage and once in the gift of hearing.”
McCain Praises Clinton, Draws On Obama's Inaugural Address

McCain Praises Clinton, Draws On Obama's Inaugural Address

Commented Jan 21, 2009 at 17:51:18 in Politics

“Was there any doubt the guy was playing a role written for him by the GOP during the election? He threw everything (morals included) into one last bid for the presidency but indeed it is nice to have the old McCain back. Say what you will, the guy is a decent human being outside of an election cycle. I'm glad he lost because now he has power as a voice of dissent...­conservati­ves hate him anyway and would have lead him as a puppet president. What has he got to lose?”
Celebrities React To Obama Win: Oprah, Pitt, Lohan, Alba, Clooney, Madonna, More

Celebrities React To Obama Win: Oprah, Pitt, Lohan, Alba, Clooney, Madonna, More

Commented Nov 05, 2008 at 11:30:00 in Entertainment

“Seconded! I agree, it was certainly nice to see the old McCain. He is not a bad person but in the GOP an individual has no control. In the Senate though I think we'll begin to see the old Maverick working across the aisle with President Obama.”

wdw101 replied on Nov 05, 2008 at 11:51:10

“i hope not.......­.see hope is alive”
Cindy McCain's Monday Night Outfit Cost $300,000

Cindy McCain's Monday Night Outfit Cost $300,000

Commented Sep 04, 2008 at 11:33:17 in Politics

“I suppose that's what passes for Republican cloth coat these days?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sqWMI0Ch5cM”
CNN Still On China's Blacklist Over Cafferty Comments As Olympics Near

CNN Still On China's Blacklist Over Cafferty Comments As Olympics Near

Commented Aug 06, 2008 at 10:50:48 in Media

“Did you check the age of the protestors? That's right they are college age students and these are the people you are offending by making gross generalizations about China like Cafferty. American media didn't report on it but there were a rash of pro-china protests in the US and abroad at the time free tibet protestors tried to punk a wheel-chair bound Chinese athlete as she was proudly carrying the torch. Ever hear of the "I love China" internet phenomenon on Instant messenging programs? Didn't think so.

Most of you have never even set foot in the country let alone talked to anyone who actually lives there. And before you cry "oh they don't know any better: it's propoganda­." How can you be sure you're getting both sides of the story from America's MSM an organization you normally decry?”

lexnekst replied on Aug 06, 2008 at 12:42:45

“And most of us recognize the inferiority of the media in the US. That's why were on this blog and not watching CNN right now.

The problem in China is you guys dont see the flaw in your gov't. And if all those people DO see the flaws, and still do nothing- Maybe the Chinese aren't as smart as we thought.”

lexnekst replied on Aug 06, 2008 at 12:37:52

“Nobody has said a thing about the people of China. But if you take offense about the Gov't being labeled "thugs and goons"- Check out Sudan.

We can't help it if the Chinese people are up in arms, because their state media told them to be.

People criticize the US everyday for everything, it's part of being a superpower.

So man up, China.”

avalanch112 replied on Aug 06, 2008 at 12:07:36

“your right we probebly dont know the whole story. but it we didnt hear about it than its not an internet phenomenon”
International Olympic Committee Feeling The Heat Over Internet Censorship In China

International Olympic Committee Feeling The Heat Over Internet Censorship In China

Commented Aug 03, 2008 at 12:41:31 in Media

“Amen! The people who made the macbook you're currently ranting on just want to enjoy the f#$#$ games. China is not Burma or North Korea.

I echoed similar comments on page 2 consider me a fan Cardineau. The irony of the situation is that people on this forum bash the MSM on a daily basis for corporate bias yet suddenly trust them as a credible source when it comes to covering something they have absolutely no understanding about: China.

Here is some more advice for China bashers, live there for a while, talk to a Chinese person, get an understanding of the country that makes your over-consumption life-style possible and then you'll realize we should give it a rest until the games are over.

Glass houses people, glass houses.”

geneven replied on Aug 04, 2008 at 03:40:16

“If China is so humanitarian, why did so many children die in the quakes?”
International Olympic Committee Feeling The Heat Over Internet Censorship In China

International Olympic Committee Feeling The Heat Over Internet Censorship In China

Commented Aug 03, 2008 at 00:34:06 in Media

“And yet most Taiwanese fathers are perfectly willing to open factories and use cheap labor in the P.R.C while sending funds back to their families in Taiwan just like every other company western or otherwise.

My point is ordinary Chinese people are not the enemy here and using the games as a chance to stand on political soap boxes is only harming our image in their eyes. They want to enjoy their chance in the sun without throwing stones at our own glass house.”

stopgeorge replied on Aug 03, 2008 at 01:01:49

“Do you honestly believe these games are FOR the ordinary Chinese person? It's pure political theater and I laugh out loud when Hu Jin-tao tells us all to stop making it political.

If it wasn't about politics, then instead of the ridiculous name of "Chinese Taipei, we would be seeing this country's athletes wearing "Taiwan" on their backs.

China wanted the Olympics -- well now they are going to get scrutinized as they should. BTW, if you read your history, the ancient games in Greece were political in every sense. Greek philosophers were seen protesting openly throughout the ancient games.”
International Olympic Committee Feeling The Heat Over Internet Censorship In China

International Olympic Committee Feeling The Heat Over Internet Censorship In China

Commented Aug 02, 2008 at 23:45:23 in Media

“And how do you know that the media you criticize on a daily basis for it's pro-bush bias is not lying to you and only presenting you with the side of the story you "want" to hear? It's far easier to throw stones from the outside. Your ignorance of other cultures is baffling to me considering your screen name.”

Annette replied on Aug 03, 2008 at 01:21:03

“Of course the Chinese people are pleased to show off their country. If the Chinese are happy with the censorship by their government good for them. They should enjoy it. The rest of the world does not share their values, and we are not obliged to share their values. Many of us read papers from several areas of the world. The papers in India, the UK, France, Mexico and Canada. Things the Chinese are not allowed to read. Perhaps China should quit demanding the rest of the world pat them on the back and utter cooing approval. In the rest of the world there are many aspects of China that are interesting, however the rest of the world doesn't like China's behavior in Tibet. And the nanny state we will decide what you can see is only acceptable in China and a few other Authoritarian places. China deciding that foreigners cant read the BBC or the German newspapers sure shows that they are insecure. I personally don't plan to watch the Olympics, over rated spectacle. The thought of watching people sweat in large groups just isn't interesting, if they are in the crowd or running, and jumping. Just not interesting. I wonder how many people give a durn. Seems like fewer and fewer people care each time.”
International Olympic Committee Feeling The Heat Over Internet Censorship In China

International Olympic Committee Feeling The Heat Over Internet Censorship In China

Commented Aug 02, 2008 at 22:45:00 in Media

“As educated and humanitarian as some of you pretend to be I doubt you've ever actually lived let alone worked in China: I have. Guess what? The overwhelming majority of Chinese people actually want to enjoy the games and are proud to be hosting them. Let it go and focus your attention on enacting change in your own country before condemning a culture you do not understand.

The government is effectively CINO (communist in name only) and last time I checked their social safety net ( Universal health care comes to mind) trumps the pitiful for profit system we have in the U.S.

It works for them leave it be.”

sassafra replied on Aug 03, 2008 at 00:46:36

“hey guess what? the overwhelming majority of chinese are proud that they've brought civilization to tibet and are genuinely angry when Tibetans fail to show the proper gratitude for all the "material improvements" the chinese have brought them in return.

da noive of dem uppitty Tibetans .”

stopgeorge replied on Aug 02, 2008 at 23:37:10

“Guess what? I've lived in Taiwan for several years. China has politicized these games against this democratic country since they received notice that they would be hosting them. They still are pointing 1500+ missiles at this country. They still are diplomatically blocking Taiwan from receiving international status -- a tragedy during the SARS epidemic. And they are still preventing the Taiwanese Olympic team from being called "Taiwan" for Chrissakes!

Whether you now call the government fascist or communist, they are "authoritarian" and will listen to no one. Got that? No one.

It is a travesty that Beijing was allowed to host these games. But I'm not surprised in this Potemkin world we live in.”

mexamerican replied on Aug 02, 2008 at 22:50:25

“what craven "advice." why don't you "leave it alone," and allow others to criticize china for its horrendous human abuses? we live in america, mephisto, and we're allowed (at least for now) to criticize whatever the hell we want.”
Senate Passes FISA Bill, Gives Telecoms Immunity

Senate Passes FISA Bill, Gives Telecoms Immunity

Commented Jul 09, 2008 at 23:35:05 in Politics

“You've written the most sensible post all day Countdown09. Consider me a fan!”
Senate Passes FISA Bill, Gives Telecoms Immunity

Senate Passes FISA Bill, Gives Telecoms Immunity

Commented Jul 09, 2008 at 15:56:01 in Politics

“Obama voted for an amendment that would have stripped immunity out of the bill, what more do you want? It failed.”

meanguy replied on Jul 09, 2008 at 16:59:35

“i'm sure no one expected leadership out of the democratic nominee...­and they were not disappointed”
Yahoo Denies Jerry Yang Resignation Rumors

Yahoo Denies Jerry Yang Resignation Rumors

Commented Jul 09, 2008 at 13:13:11 in Business

“Honestly Huffpo, posting rumors that very well could have been seeded by Microsoft is hardly the stuff credible journalism is made of. It's pretty reprehensible on M$'s part to try to meddle in the company's internal affairs by suggesting they'd be open to negotiation is Carl Ichan gets his way.

Employees will be collateral damage if this goes through.”
Obama's Iran TV Show Tour: More Diplomacy

Obama's Iran TV Show Tour: More Diplomacy

Commented Jul 09, 2008 at 10:30:31 in Politics

“I would imagine that he radical evangelical christians currently in the White House wold be less likely to change their religious based views on the world. We've never even tried negotiating with Iran...we'­ve tried to install right-wing dictators sure, but actually tried to talk with them? NO

It's not as if "wipe out Israel" is in the Q'ran, in fact the text preaches religious tolerance for Jews and Christians. The radical right in Israel and the U$ are the saber rattlers.”
Olbermann Special Comment: Obama's Second Chance On FISA

Olbermann Special Comment: Obama's Second Chance On FISA

Commented Jul 02, 2008 at 12:47:27 in Media

“Did any of you even watch this in it's entirety? The bill actually only prevents Civil law-suits but it does not immunize Telecoms from criminal charges. Obama is an intelligent guy he probably has read the legislation in it's entirety and might be planning to prosecute once he is elected. Nothing would prevent him from doing so unless the legislation is revised and it gives him an opportunity to please both sides.”

ouroborous replied on Jul 02, 2008 at 18:38:57

“Read Greenwald on why this assumption of a "secret plan" is preposterous.

At least Olbermann called Obama on this. Sort of.

That's more than any of the other fawning sycophants have done so far.”
Obama Undercuts His Brand

Obama Undercuts His Brand

Commented Jul 02, 2008 at 12:22:26 in Politics

“THE CENTER?? would be avoiding raising telecom rates on strapped consumers and enriching trial lawyers who garner massive legal fees while their clients net only a few hundred bucks at the end of the day.

This is how our system works unfortunately, telecoms have us by the balls and there isn't a whole lot one can do about it unless we have a democratic majority and executive control.

Wake up naive radicals as uncompromising as your right-wing counterparts.”