“Max sold us out on health care to big pharma, sold us out for tax rebates for the rich and now sold his vote to the gun lobbyists.
Max was never for Montanans. I was going to work hard in this next election to ensure he was not re-elected. Thank you Max for saving me a lot of time, money and effort that can now be turned to electing Brian Schweitzer to replace you. I'm sure K street will hire you.”
I see this as revenge for the repubs trying to use the wingnut fringe for their own agenda and then setting them aside when they get too crazy. This would be sweet if Orly won the primary. Disaster for the repubs. Just what they deserve.”
“Unfortunately, you're wrong. This isn't about reparations. This is about money the government took in in lease payments from mining, drilling, timber, oil, coal, gold, grazing etc. from oil, mining, timber companies, holding it "in trust" accounts for 500,000 individual Indian landowners. That money has never had an accurate accounting. The department of interior has used those accounts as their own private slush fund for over 100 years.
The Indians sued for an accurate accounting and payment of those monies. The 3.4 billion is less then a penny on the dollar of the REAL amount owed them by the government.
Not reparations at all, but money owed them and still being put into their accounts by current leases. There's still no accurate accounting practices.
Now, if your family had land and the government leased it to an oil company who drilled and pumped oil out for a few decades and just gave you pennies when thousands was being taken in "on your behalf", wouldn't you want that money?
If those Indian families had received what they were owed in the first place, maybe there wouldn't be a cycle of "dependency and alcoholism". As far as entitlement, hell yeah, they're entitled to that money!”
jonquilmercury on Jun 8, 2010 at 11:51:03
“Thank you NDNYaYa! It seems every time Native Americans try to recover damages from because another party refuses to honor legal contracts certain groups claim "reparations!". Legal contracts need to honored by everyone, but it seems that some companies and even the government tend to "forget" this on a regular basis when it comes to Native Americans.”
“"their indians"??????...... *face contorts and unable to hold it any longer a long loud belly laugh is let loose*... bwahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!!.......
goot one dude..... too funny!!”
LindaInAus on Jun 8, 2010 at 00:07:57
“These are NOT reprations. Didn't ya'll read the blog?
Also, we might want to thank the Friends Committee on National Legislation who has been pushing for this for years.
The FCNL is the only organization I know who has been tracking the money spent (rather mis-spent) by Congress in this regards.
The FCNL is on top of this, and has been for a long time, and if you'd like to donate you can go to their site: http://www.fcnl.org.
I know about them because they're the ones who won the 1947 Nobel Peace Prize, they are the creators of Greenpeace, Oxfam, and Amnesty International.
They are the Quakers, and the next time one of you ignorant commenters on Huffington Post claims that ALL of the immigrants to the New World in the 1600s were all a bunch of mean, rich, Indian killers, you can go donate to the Indians by clicking on the above line....right after I remind you the Quakers were poor, anti-war, were anti-slavery, and wre the same ones who created the Underground Railroad for blacks escaping to freedom.
The Quakers were my ancestors, and for all you fools who are still convinced that ALL the immigrants to the New World were ALL like the ones who live in your sick head so much that you have to open your ignorant pie-hole”
“*just grins* Your choice, remain ignorant of the facts of that caucasoid word you like throwing around.”
TrueLiberty on Jun 8, 2010 at 00:07:28
“How many times did I use that word? "Throwing" implies several times. That is not the case. Now, Mr. "savage iq" why don't you "school me" about how you would settle the land claims among the tribes before those evil Europeans got here?”
“Actually, you're wrong. This is monies owed to individual indian landowners for leases on their lands for the use of water, timber, grazing, mining, oil, gas, coal..........
It's still going on. The leases didn't stop when this lawsuit was started. The incompetence didn't stop with this lawsuit. The companies who got the leases are still out there on indian land mining, drilling, grazing, cutting timber..... all under the ever so watchful eye of the Interior Department......”
Nia Avalon on Jun 8, 2010 at 01:49:26
“Fanned.Faved. I'm a historian and writer. Glad to have reinforcements.”
“I'm sorry, I just can't let this go....so, you get to be the butt of my savage iq tonight!
Caucasoid is just such a lovely word don't you think? Do you know who coined the term, it's etymology? I do, and it's such a lovely story. Do you want me to school you?”
TrueLiberty on Jun 7, 2010 at 23:44:03
“I'm afraid you couldn't school a fish, even if it was among 1000 other fish. You've proven that you are looking through racial lenses and have a view that certain races are "better" than others. Perhaps you could "school" the KKK but, no friend, you can't school those of us who choose to look past race.”
“If we had been less peaceful, we would have all banded together and drove the settlers into the sea. Instead, being human, we opted to help them survive rather then let them starve.
I'm glad those first contact folks opted to be human beings and help other pitiful human beings. We continue to this day to hang on to that human-ness that others so easily leave behind, in spite of their Christian teachings.
AND of course, what your little tidbit you dug up from wiki failed to mention is that those settlers were tresspassing and had killed off or chased out the game those savages depended on to feed their families. What was also missing was the fact that those same squatters had been reported to the federal authorities over and over again and nothing was done to get them off of land that wasn't theirs.
“Do you feel the same way about the Sioux who often went to war against neighboring tribes and killed them off over hunting grounds?”
EthnicHeart on Jun 7, 2010 at 23:35:26
“Thank you brother/sister. Fan #8”
TrueLiberty on Jun 7, 2010 at 23:34:07
“Give it a rest. There were several very war-like and violent tribes here before the "evil white man" came. Slavery, human sacrifice, cannibalism, wars and genocide all occurred in North America BEFORE European settlers got here and it was done by "native tribes" against other "native tribes". This whole idea of the "noble" Native American is absurdly and rather despicably racist and no better than white racists that say that the "white race" is the "best" race.”
Dragula on Jun 7, 2010 at 23:32:49
“This happened four years after minnesota became a state. Go ahead a provide a neutral source to your crap allegations.”
“Do you even realize that Caucasoid isn't a taxonomic classification like you seem to want to use it for. It's an archeological term that describes the shape of a particular bone. REAL arche's rarely use it any longer.
Trying to use science to justify genocide and theft...... hrmmm...... has a very Nazi ring to it! Oh yeah, that's right, they used the race politics of the US to justify their particular genocidal tendencies.”
amleth on Jun 7, 2010 at 23:32:03
Fanned and faved.”
TrueLiberty on Jun 7, 2010 at 23:26:00
“Again, please explain to me how you would settle the North American land disputes among the tribes before the evil white man came here? I'm waiting. Or, is your sense of "justice" limited to a group of people with one skin color paying reparations to a group of people with another skin color? Now, you tell me which is a more racist way to look at things.”
TrueLiberty on Jun 7, 2010 at 23:24:25
“oooo, nice sort of calling me a Nazi reference. You get the "use the Nazi and/or race card" award for the night.”
“Treaties are hardly ancient grievances. They are legal binding contracts between Nations.
I'm not sure how to address the rest of the ignorance in your post, it would take too much time so I just chose the easiest part ;-)”
TrueLiberty on Jun 7, 2010 at 23:18:24
“I didn't say they shouldn't be paid and I never said that treaties should not be honored. I suggest you take a remedial reading class. Your lame attempt at an answer proves you are unable to answer the central point of my post. You are probably all self righteous b/c you think you are "Native American" Well, which tribe? And, did your tribe ever "take" land from another tribe before the "evil white man" got here? If so, you better make reparations, right?
Now, go run along and wallow in self righteousness.”
“OooooO..... here's another one that I just love! How Americans came here to set up a utopia where they could have religious freedom. How about we explore that one for a while?
1978.... THAT's when the Indigenous of America, after fighting and dying in American wars, after paying taxes ..... Yes, we pay taxes!..... We're finally ALLOWED to practice our religions without interference from the feds, without being arrested and jailed for practicing our religions.
Chew on that one for a while in the land of the free and the brave.”
LiberalLee on Jun 7, 2010 at 22:49:30
“Back up a bit.
There may have been some seekers after religious utopia showing up on these shores, but generally only because no one else wanted their stuffy, puritanical a$$es.
A large percentage of the rest were transportees, sent here because they were 'inconvenient' to someone else; criminals, and the ever popular slaves of the rich that emigrated to avoid familt censure or criminal charges.
Of such a lovely bunch is th DAR made... lol.
And once they got here, they proceeded to behave just like the guys that booted them out or that they fled from. Or they were sold to that same bunch and had no choice in the matter...”
“Free education? How about I tell you about that one too.
Let's just suppose a federal agent came to your grandparent's house and took your daddy and all his brother and sisters away from them, shipped them off thousands of miles to a boarding school which was set up military style. Everyone there speaks German say, and your daddy and relatives speak not a word of German. They get beat up by nuns and priests if they speak English, or if they try to celebrate Christian holidays or pray. Then, not only are they beat, but sexually abused for years and years. The only thing they're taught is how to clean the houses of those German people, not anything that would prepare them for college, besides, they're prohibited from going to college, owning their own land, buying a house, voting (not citizens), but they can go fight and die in wars for their oppressors. Then, when they have an eighth grade education, they're finally allowed to go back to their families.
Free education..... yeah, another myth.”
bklynsparrow on Jun 8, 2010 at 03:12:25
“fanned and faved! I had this argument with someone on another thread a few days ago. They said how wonderful the Christians were to the Native Americans, giving them free educations.”
TrueLiberty on Jun 7, 2010 at 23:01:23
“You do know that tribes in what is now USA went to war with each other, killed each other, enslaved each other before the evil white man got here right?”
*checks my Mayan calendar to see if it is truly 2010* Oh yeah, I forgot, you're Americans and got a screwy educational system, years of Bush didn't help either. There really is a ton of stereotypical bologna here.
Anyway, let me educate some of the less knowledgeable among us on this post eh?
1. This settlement was about money OWED to individual Indians, not land we sold to America.
Imagine this, your daddy leased his land to the government for over 100 years and during those years the US drilled for oil and still had several wells just a pumping away for all of those hundred and more years. Only thing is, instead of giving your daddy the money owed for the lease he signed, they gave him $5/month and kept the rest of the money for their own private little slush fund. In the meantime, they also owed him healthcare and instead of giving him full benefits, like say someone on Medicaid or Medicare gets, they give him healthcare that's much less then they even give prisoners. Free healthcare! Which is why we have third world healthcare statistics, probably cuz we have third world healthcare systems.
Now, multiply that scenario by 500,000.
That measly 3.4 billion is supposed to make up for the theft of natural resources by the feds in collusion with oil, gas, coal, timber, mining industry folks FOR THE PAST 100 YEARS.”
sheaintsayin on Jun 7, 2010 at 22:33:38
“Thank you! And, more power to the original American Peoples, literally!”
“As any Indian could tell you, this was not a sweat lodge. It was a white man's version of a sacred ceremony he stole to try to make money. It would be like me claiming to be a priest and donning the robes and having people pay money to attend one of my masses.”
“Actually, it depends on the time of year. They probably went at the beginning of the fiscal year and didn't need any kind of surgeries or other kinds of "expert" care. I've worked with the Wind River tribal leaders on IHS issues and can tell you, that they, like other tribes, run out of funding fairly early in the fiscal year.
Some tribes are able to make up the deficits with gaming money from their casinos. But, that's only a handful of tribes who make the kind of money to be able to put into healthcare in any real way.
Indians are allocated less then half, per capita, what medicaid gets per capita. IHS is just very good at providing minimal care for minimal funding.
But, if you look at the system in it's entirety, across the nation, Indians have the worst health care stats then any other group, by far. The results are sometimes overwhelming to look at, especially when those numbers translate into people you know personally. We have statistics on par with third world countries. Which is remarkable, considering how drastically underfunded IHS is.”
joyf1 on Nov 5, 2009 at 23:32:31
“As you know, both tribes get per capita checks from oil royalties. The casinos will take many more years before they start showing a profit, but the oil royalties can be rather large. Having lived on the reservation for 25 years, I witnessed more exhasperation with the tribal police with funding. I personally had never known anyone who had been refused treatment from IHS, but that's certainly not to say that it hadn't happened. I can only offer anecdotal evidence. But, I'm sure the funding for IHS was deficient at best. Wyoming is very rich, but certainly are not wanting to share with the reservation!”