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NRA Bosses -- But Not Members -- Defend Policies That Help Arm Suspected Terrorists
Commented Dec 29, 2009 at 01:44:18 in Politics
“DoctorJohn would be well advised to become familiar with NIJ Standards 0101.04 and 0101.06.”
NRA Bosses -- But Not Members -- Defend Policies That Help Arm Suspected Terrorists
Commented Dec 28, 2009 at 22:26:26 in Politics
“"Instead of demonstrating your rhetorical prowess and using multi-syllable words like polytetra.
Well, if you have such a problem with words with lots of letters, try PTFE instead of Teflon. PTFE being the abbreviation whereas Teflon is a trademarked name for several DuPont products. And PTFE being two letters less should make you quite happy.”
Well, if you have such a problem with words with lots of letters, try PTFE instead of Teflon. PTFE being the abbreviation whereas Teflon is a trademarked name for several DuPont products. And PTFE being two letters less should make you quite happy.”
NRA Bosses -- But Not Members -- Defend Policies That Help Arm Suspected Terrorists
Commented Dec 28, 2009 at 22:20:41 in Politics
“"Oh and by the way, the NRA is the most pro-police organization you'll ever find. "
We certainly do not see Paul Helmke's Brady Camp designing and inspecting ranges, certifying instructors, funding armorer's courses, giving grants for ammo and body armor, helping the families of the fallen, etc. , all things the NRA does for police.”
We certainly do not see Paul Helmke's Brady Camp designing and inspecting ranges, certifying instructors, funding armorer's courses, giving grants for ammo and body armor, helping the families of the fallen, etc. , all things the NRA does for police.”
djcrsn replied on Dec 29, 2009 at 01:07:11
“Nor does the BC have any programs like Eddie Eagle to teach kids to be safe around guns or any programs like Project Exile set up to use existing laws to put felons with guns in prison where they belong”
NRA Bosses -- But Not Members -- Defend Policies That Help Arm Suspected Terrorists
Commented Dec 28, 2009 at 22:09:55 in Politics
“"you should attempt to defend why anyone outside of law enforcement has a legitimate need to own and AK-47"
Why does any "need" a Weatherby .460 Magnum?
The bottom line is the AK in question is a semi-auto firing one of lesser power centerfire cartridges, roughly the equivalent of the antiquated .30-30. Semi-auto hunting rifles have a very long history in the US going back over 100 years. It is used in less than 1% of all firearm related crime. It is popular for recreational shooting, varminting, and even some deer hunting (with the appropriately sized magazines).
"And while you're at it, maybe you could explain the legitimate uses of teflon coated bullets".
Teflon coatings are used to reduce barrel wear, fouling, and heating. They do not increase a bullet's ability to penetrate armor, as has been shown by extensive testing by both the military and independent labs. If it did, the military would use nothing but Teflon coated bullets. In reality, the military does not use any.”
Why does any "need" a Weatherby .460 Magnum?
The bottom line is the AK in question is a semi-auto firing one of lesser power centerfire cartridges, roughly the equivalent of the antiquated .30-30. Semi-auto hunting rifles have a very long history in the US going back over 100 years. It is used in less than 1% of all firearm related crime. It is popular for recreational shooting, varminting, and even some deer hunting (with the appropriately sized magazines).
"And while you're at it, maybe you could explain the legitimate uses of teflon coated bullets".
Teflon coatings are used to reduce barrel wear, fouling, and heating. They do not increase a bullet's ability to penetrate armor, as has been shown by extensive testing by both the military and independent labs. If it did, the military would use nothing but Teflon coated bullets. In reality, the military does not use any.”
NRA Bosses -- But Not Members -- Defend Policies That Help Arm Suspected Terrorists
Commented Dec 28, 2009 at 22:03:50 in Politics
“"According to the NRA, anybody should be able to own an AK-47, an AR-15, or some of those custom made 50-caliber rifles. "
The semi-auto AK and AR and the .50 caliber was chosen as the upper limit by Congress many years after its inception. The .50 cal rifles in question were designed by civilians, for civilians and only later adopted by the military.
"The NRA and I parted company many years ago when it refused to support the restriction or ban on the so-called "cop killer," or teflon coated bullets. "
Since there is no such thing as a "cop killer bullet" and since Teflon does absolutely nothing to improve a bullet's ability to defeat armor, hard or soft, it would appear you made a poor choice.”
The semi-auto AK and AR and the .50 caliber was chosen as the upper limit by Congress many years after its inception. The .50 cal rifles in question were designed by civilians, for civilians and only later adopted by the military.
"The NRA and I parted company many years ago when it refused to support the restriction or ban on the so-called "cop killer," or teflon coated bullets. "
Since there is no such thing as a "cop killer bullet" and since Teflon does absolutely nothing to improve a bullet's ability to defeat armor, hard or soft, it would appear you made a poor choice.”
NRA Bosses -- But Not Members -- Defend Policies That Help Arm Suspected Terrorists
Commented Dec 28, 2009 at 18:08:04 in Politics
“So, based on the above statement, should it be any surprise to anyone that when trying to show that the NRA members want to repeal the Tiahrt Amendments, the survey asks:
11. “The federal government should not restrict the police’s ability to access, use, and share data that helps them enforce federal, state and local gun laws.”
Of course the problem is that the Tiahrt Amendments do no such thing. In fact, based on the understanding used in the question above, Pres. Obama was going to push to get these amendments over ruled or repealed until his staff and Attorney General's office looked into the claims and found out that these claims simple WERE NOT TRUE.
IOW, the survey plays slight of hand in order to show support for MAIG and gun control.”
11. “The federal government should not restrict the police’s ability to access, use, and share data that helps them enforce federal, state and local gun laws.”
Of course the problem is that the Tiahrt Amendments do no such thing. In fact, based on the understanding used in the question above, Pres. Obama was going to push to get these amendments over ruled or repealed until his staff and Attorney General's office looked into the claims and found out that these claims simple WERE NOT TRUE.
IOW, the survey plays slight of hand in order to show support for MAIG and gun control.”
Gun Lobbyists Against 'Wellness And Health'
Commented Dec 28, 2009 at 18:06:01 in Politics
“I completely understood your request.
As for PP's definition, I cannot force him to use the definition used in FBI documents, but that is what I rely on.”
As for PP's definition, I cannot force him to use the definition used in FBI documents, but that is what I rely on.”
NRA Bosses -- But Not Members -- Defend Policies That Help Arm Suspected Terrorists
Commented Dec 28, 2009 at 17:26:56 in Politics
“The Luntz survey conducted for Mayors Against Illegal Guns coalition was performed by "The Word Doctors".
In their own words:
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If you need to the language to build support for legislation, we’ll find the right words. If you need to kill a bad bill, we’ll show you how.
Either take control of the debate, or the debate will take control of you. It really is that simple. Silence is no longer an option. The news cycle never ends. Either you determine the message or someone else will.
Our focus is on language. We already know the words that work – or we’ll find them for you…fast.
Consider our record:
We changed the “estate tax” to the “death tax” and that changed the course of legislative history.
We changed “global warming” to “climate change,” and while that was highly confidential, even opponents acknowledged how those two words significantly impacted the public debate.
We changed “drilling for oil” to “exploring for energy,” and that helped energy companies secure the rights to develop more energy resources right here in America.
We changed “school choice” to “parental choice” and “vouchers” to “opportunity scholarships,” and that has helped the education reform efforts in more than a dozen states.”
Time after time we have succeeded in changing the course of the debate, and the impact can be measured in the hundreds of millions of dollars.
Remember, what matters is not what you say. It’s what people hear.
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http://www
In their own words:
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If you need to the language to build support for legislation, we’ll find the right words. If you need to kill a bad bill, we’ll show you how.
Either take control of the debate, or the debate will take control of you. It really is that simple. Silence is no longer an option. The news cycle never ends. Either you determine the message or someone else will.
Our focus is on language. We already know the words that work – or we’ll find them for you…fast.
Consider our record:
We changed the “estate tax” to the “death tax” and that changed the course of legislative history.
We changed “global warming” to “climate change,” and while that was highly confidential, even opponents acknowledged how those two words significantly impacted the public debate.
We changed “drilling for oil” to “exploring for energy,” and that helped energy companies secure the rights to develop more energy resources right here in America.
We changed “school choice” to “parental choice” and “vouchers” to “opportunity scholarships,” and that has helped the education reform efforts in more than a dozen states.”
Time after time we have succeeded in changing the course of the debate, and the impact can be measured in the hundreds of millions of dollars.
Remember, what matters is not what you say. It’s what people hear.
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http://www
OdinsEye replied on Dec 28, 2009 at 18:08:04
“So, based on the above statement, should it be any surprise to anyone that when trying to show that the NRA members want to repeal the Tiahrt Amendments, the survey asks:
11. “The federal government should not restrict the police’s ability to access, use, and share data that helps them enforce federal, state and local gun laws.”
Of course the problem is that the Tiahrt Amendments do no such thing. In fact, based on the understanding used in the question above, Pres. Obama was going to push to get these amendments over ruled or repealed until his staff and Attorney General's office looked into the claims and found out that these claims simple WERE NOT TRUE.
IOW, the survey plays slight of hand in order to show support for MAIG and gun control.”
11. “The federal government should not restrict the police’s ability to access, use, and share data that helps them enforce federal, state and local gun laws.”
Of course the problem is that the Tiahrt Amendments do no such thing. In fact, based on the understanding used in the question above, Pres. Obama was going to push to get these amendments over ruled or repealed until his staff and Attorney General's office looked into the claims and found out that these claims simple WERE NOT TRUE.
IOW, the survey plays slight of hand in order to show support for MAIG and gun control.”
NRA Bosses -- But Not Members -- Defend Policies That Help Arm Suspected Terrorists
Commented Dec 28, 2009 at 15:34:23 in Politics
“Just imagine what the response to the question would have been if Luntz had asked:
- Do you support denying people their Second Amendment right to keep and bear arms, without due process?
After all, that is what Paul and others are advocating!”
- Do you support denying people their Second Amendment right to keep and bear arms, without due process?
After all, that is what Paul and others are advocating!”
Gun Lobbyists Against 'Wellness And Health'
Commented Dec 28, 2009 at 15:31:02 in Politics
“"How do you explain, then, the absence of "gun ownership" on lists of deterrents against "home invasion" provided by virtually all reputable government and private agencies?"
And where are these lists?”
And where are these lists?”
NRA Bosses -- But Not Members -- Defend Policies That Help Arm Suspected Terrorists
Commented Dec 28, 2009 at 15:21:11 in Politics
“We have already been down this road.
The problem with the survey is while it does establish whether or not the respondent is or is not an NRA member, it does not establish whether or not the respondent is aware of what the "terror watch list" is.
If people knew that there are actually more than 13 such watch lists maintained by separate agencies, including the infamous "no fly list", and that there is no uniform criteria to get on these lists;
If people knew that the mother of all lists, the TSDB, is compiled from all the other non-standard lists, that it contains a million names or some 400,000 people, the vast majority of whom have never done anything wrong and actually have no ties to terrorism - as admitted to by the FBI and the GAO;
If people knew that it is nearly impossible to find out if your name is in the TSDB and if it is wrongly in the TSDB, it can take months, even years to get your name removed - again, GAO findings;
If people knew that the TSDB and other lists rely on names, not social security numbers, passport numbers, etc. and that many people could be denied because they have the same name as a person on the list;
Then they might rethink their answers.
The Luntz survey relies on ignorance of the respondents to achieve its numbers.”
The problem with the survey is while it does establish whether or not the respondent is or is not an NRA member, it does not establish whether or not the respondent is aware of what the "terror watch list" is.
If people knew that there are actually more than 13 such watch lists maintained by separate agencies, including the infamous "no fly list", and that there is no uniform criteria to get on these lists;
If people knew that the mother of all lists, the TSDB, is compiled from all the other non-standard lists, that it contains a million names or some 400,000 people, the vast majority of whom have never done anything wrong and actually have no ties to terrorism - as admitted to by the FBI and the GAO;
If people knew that it is nearly impossible to find out if your name is in the TSDB and if it is wrongly in the TSDB, it can take months, even years to get your name removed - again, GAO findings;
If people knew that the TSDB and other lists rely on names, not social security numbers, passport numbers, etc. and that many people could be denied because they have the same name as a person on the list;
Then they might rethink their answers.
The Luntz survey relies on ignorance of the respondents to achieve its numbers.”
Ohio9 replied on Dec 28, 2009 at 16:58:28
“"The problem with the survey is while it does establish whether or not the respondent is or is not an NRA member, it does not establish whether or not the respondent is aware of what the "terror watch list" is."
While I agree with the rest of your post, I have to disagree with that first assertation. The Luntz poll did not establish that the people he polled were actually NRA members. Since Luntz did not have access to an NRA membership list, he had no way of knowing if the respondents who said they were NRA members actually belonged to the organization or not.
Furthermore, only 400 of his respondents claimed to be NRA members. Even assuming they all were, how can 400 be a representative sample of 4 million?”
While I agree with the rest of your post, I have to disagree with that first assertation. The Luntz poll did not establish that the people he polled were actually NRA members. Since Luntz did not have access to an NRA membership list, he had no way of knowing if the respondents who said they were NRA members actually belonged to the organization or not.
Furthermore, only 400 of his respondents claimed to be NRA members. Even assuming they all were, how can 400 be a representative sample of 4 million?”
Gun Lobbyists Against 'Wellness And Health'
Commented Dec 28, 2009 at 13:35:28 in Politics
“My "ad hominem" (and it was not an argumentum ad hominem) was in response to yours.
And I cannot talk to the definitions used by others. I am using the ones used in several FBI documents.”
And I cannot talk to the definitions used by others. I am using the ones used in several FBI documents.”
Gun Lobbyists Against 'Wellness And Health'
Commented Dec 28, 2009 at 13:32:48 in Politics
“"I provided but one small example"
Which I complete refuted. But thanks for playing.
"Additionally, any "hot burglary" would be deemed a home invasion by by OE as well"
Just as incorrect as your previous attempt. Hot burglaries do not involve the threat or use of violence. That is the major difference between a hot burglary and a robbery.
You are batting about .000 today.”
Which I complete refuted. But thanks for playing.
"Additionally, any "hot burglary" would be deemed a home invasion by by OE as well"
Just as incorrect as your previous attempt. Hot burglaries do not involve the threat or use of violence. That is the major difference between a hot burglary and a robbery.
You are batting about .000 today.”
Gun Lobbyists Against 'Wellness And Health'
Commented Dec 28, 2009 at 13:14:53 in Politics
“"I was asking for you to guide me to a website that might recommend guns as a pre-emptive safeguard against those crimes."
In case you missed it, I said that was not the intent of my post here, nor will it be. Take your windmill somewhere else.”
In case you missed it, I said that was not the intent of my post here, nor will it be. Take your windmill somewhere else.”
Josh Bowman, Gun Owner Nabbed Near Obama, Was Bush Employee
Commented Dec 28, 2009 at 13:12:00 in Politics
“While the use of all caps is not prohibited by HP, it is a violation of basic "Netiquette" as it is the equivalient of shouting. Thank your for not using all caps in the subsequent post.
As for reading your suggestions as to what to look into, it is difficult to understand what you are saying. Your use of syntax and punctuation impede any clarity in your posts. No offense, but English does not appear to be your first language.
The man has been investigated and at this time the only charges are for violating District of Columbia statutes. No federal charges are going to be filed.
He was never near the President and presidential security was never threatened.
The agency responsible for presidental security, the US Secret Service, is not concerned and were not the ones who arrested him.
Additionally, he worked for the Obama White House for a good 6 months and would have been vetted by both the Bush and Obama administration as well as the Secret Service.
Further, he almost assuredly has a security clearance meaning he already has been investigated in depth by the FBI.
So again, this story is largely making something huge out of a minor incident.”
As for reading your suggestions as to what to look into, it is difficult to understand what you are saying. Your use of syntax and punctuation impede any clarity in your posts. No offense, but English does not appear to be your first language.
The man has been investigated and at this time the only charges are for violating District of Columbia statutes. No federal charges are going to be filed.
He was never near the President and presidential security was never threatened.
The agency responsible for presidental security, the US Secret Service, is not concerned and were not the ones who arrested him.
Additionally, he worked for the Obama White House for a good 6 months and would have been vetted by both the Bush and Obama administration as well as the Secret Service.
Further, he almost assuredly has a security clearance meaning he already has been investigated in depth by the FBI.
So again, this story is largely making something huge out of a minor incident.”
Gun Lobbyists Against 'Wellness And Health'
Commented Dec 28, 2009 at 12:55:44 in Politics
“Refusal to leave still involves unlawfully being on the premises, so it really would not conflict much with what was said.
So your derisive comments are juvenile at best.”
So your derisive comments are juvenile at best.”
Gun Lobbyists Against 'Wellness And Health'
Commented Dec 28, 2009 at 12:52:44 in Politics
“"It is, indeed, difficult to find conclusive numbers on "home invasions", "
I agree. The major problem the crime is not defined by federal law or even by most states, so stats on it are not gathered. Instead, it is a lateral category of crime which involves several other offenses based on the circumstance of the crime and as such is classified by the vertical category of crime involved (robbery, assault, kidnapping, rape, homicide). Further, sources like the UCR do not give the circumstances of each of these violent crimes.
"since the criteria used to define that scary phenomenon vary from website to website"
The criteria I used is based on the criteria used in most FBI references: Occurs in a residence, involves illegal entry, requires the use or threat of force against the occupants, and involves the element of an additional crime. Robberies in residence by definition meet almost all of these criteria, but the means of entry is not specified; however, in nearly all cases of robberies in a residence, enrty is illegal. Therefore, almost all robberies in residences are home invasions.
"One consistent thread I did uncover though, was that firearm ownership or use weren't included in any list of pre-emptive measures against "home invasion" or any of the other crimes you mention."
I am not defining pre-emptive measures.”
I agree. The major problem the crime is not defined by federal law or even by most states, so stats on it are not gathered. Instead, it is a lateral category of crime which involves several other offenses based on the circumstance of the crime and as such is classified by the vertical category of crime involved (robbery, assault, kidnapping, rape, homicide). Further, sources like the UCR do not give the circumstances of each of these violent crimes.
"since the criteria used to define that scary phenomenon vary from website to website"
The criteria I used is based on the criteria used in most FBI references: Occurs in a residence, involves illegal entry, requires the use or threat of force against the occupants, and involves the element of an additional crime. Robberies in residence by definition meet almost all of these criteria, but the means of entry is not specified; however, in nearly all cases of robberies in a residence, enrty is illegal. Therefore, almost all robberies in residences are home invasions.
"One consistent thread I did uncover though, was that firearm ownership or use weren't included in any list of pre-emptive measures against "home invasion" or any of the other crimes you mention."
I am not defining pre-emptive measures.”
Gun Lobbyists Against 'Wellness And Health'
Commented Dec 28, 2009 at 12:20:52 in Politics
“"Note how we swing from 8000 home invasions per day "
I have no idea what the sources are for the 8000 per day and cannot speak to the veracity of that number. The source I gave is the FBI UCR.
"Of course, we now find out the 58000 number actually constitutes robberies at a residence--not actual home invasions.
The definition of robberies in residence is virtually indentical to the definition of home invasions. Both involve the use or threat of violence in order to take material from a residence. The only extra criteria for home invasions is illegal entry and in almost all robberies in residence, entry is gained illegally.
"As such, a man who steals some money from his girlfriend is actually committing a "home invasion."
Only if he uses violent force or the threat of violence against his girlfriend to take the money and gains entry illegally. If entry was gained through legal means, but violence is used, it is robbery.
If no violence is involved, but the entry is illegal, it is burglary. If no violence is involved and entry is legal, it is theft.
Again, not all home invasions are robberies. Many are assaults, kidnappings, rapes, or homicides. So you have the vast majority of robberies in residence (over 58,000 in 2008) + any assaults, kidnappings, rapes, or homicides in residence and involving illegal entry.
So, like I said, it is safe to say there were at least 60,000 home invasions in 2008.”
I have no idea what the sources are for the 8000 per day and cannot speak to the veracity of that number. The source I gave is the FBI UCR.
"Of course, we now find out the 58000 number actually constitutes robberies at a residence--not actual home invasions.
The definition of robberies in residence is virtually indentical to the definition of home invasions. Both involve the use or threat of violence in order to take material from a residence. The only extra criteria for home invasions is illegal entry and in almost all robberies in residence, entry is gained illegally.
"As such, a man who steals some money from his girlfriend is actually committing a "home invasion."
Only if he uses violent force or the threat of violence against his girlfriend to take the money and gains entry illegally. If entry was gained through legal means, but violence is used, it is robbery.
If no violence is involved, but the entry is illegal, it is burglary. If no violence is involved and entry is legal, it is theft.
Again, not all home invasions are robberies. Many are assaults, kidnappings, rapes, or homicides. So you have the vast majority of robberies in residence (over 58,000 in 2008) + any assaults, kidnappings, rapes, or homicides in residence and involving illegal entry.
So, like I said, it is safe to say there were at least 60,000 home invasions in 2008.”
legaleagle 45 replied on Dec 28, 2009 at 16:11:37
“leecvlayton wrote: "How do you explain, then, the absence of "gun ownership" on lists of deterrents against "home invasion" provided by virtually all reputable government and private agencies?"
"Handguns and pepper spray can provide a means of self-defense in a life-threatening situation. Homeowners have successfully defended their families in the past from home invaders using such weapons. However, sometimes homeowners have lost their weapons to home invaders because they couldn't get to them in time to use them. Most chemical sprays are tucked away somewhere and many handguns are kept unloaded or locked up to prevent children from getting their hands on them. During a home invasion, you cannot always count on your ability to get to these weapons before being injured yourself. Ordinary household products can work in self defense. Chemical fire extinguishers work great to disorient the robber. "
http://www
Yahoo search, 4th one listed (after wiki and after answers.co
"Prepare a Safe Room. The Safe room should have a cell phone, your weapon, ammo for that weapon and a cordless phone."
http://www
Yahoo search, 5th one listed”
"Handguns and pepper spray can provide a means of self-defense in a life-threatening situation. Homeowners have successfully defended their families in the past from home invaders using such weapons. However, sometimes homeowners have lost their weapons to home invaders because they couldn't get to them in time to use them. Most chemical sprays are tucked away somewhere and many handguns are kept unloaded or locked up to prevent children from getting their hands on them. During a home invasion, you cannot always count on your ability to get to these weapons before being injured yourself. Ordinary household products can work in self defense. Chemical fire extinguishers work great to disorient the robber. "
http://www
Yahoo search, 4th one listed (after wiki and after answers.co
"Prepare a Safe Room. The Safe room should have a cell phone, your weapon, ammo for that weapon and a cordless phone."
http://www
Yahoo search, 5th one listed”
leeclayton replied on Dec 28, 2009 at 15:37:57
“Not surprisingly, you misunderstood my request. I'm simply curious as to why I haven't been directed to a single website recommending guns as a deterrent to "home invasions", when, typically, links are signature flourishes of gun rights rhetoric. And please refer to "PP"'s expanded definition of "home invasion" before invoking yours.”
leeclayton replied on Dec 28, 2009 at 12:43:31
“According to many websites, "home invasion" can also be defined as refusal to leave a home subsequent to legal entry. That would conflict with your "definition". Delivering the stone tablets from the top of the thread was a nice flourish, though.”
leeclayton replied on Dec 28, 2009 at 12:32:30
“It is, indeed, difficult to find conclusive numbers on "home invasions", since the criteria used to define that scary phenomenon vary from website to website. One consistent thread I did uncover though, was that firearm ownership or use weren't included in any list of pre-emptive measures against "home invasion" or any of the other crimes you mention. Perhaps I was looking in the wrong places. Please edify.”
War Zone Pregnancy Punishments Dropped
Commented Dec 28, 2009 at 02:17:31 in Politics
“P.S. An E7 would not write that they are "in the senior com ranks".
Further, typos aside, one would expect them to not be so grammatically crass as to write "buddy of mines ".
Finally, unless they were typing completely in lower case (which is frowned upon), they would have enough respect to capitalize Army and Air Force.
So again, I have to be highly skeptical of your claim of being an E7. If you are, then I recommend taking which ever professional developmen
Further, typos aside, one would expect them to not be so grammatically crass as to write "buddy of mines ".
Finally, unless they were typing completely in lower case (which is frowned upon), they would have enough respect to capitalize Army and Air Force.
So again, I have to be highly skeptical of your claim of being an E7. If you are, then I recommend taking which ever professional developmen
Reverend Fred Phelps: 'God Hates Lady Gaga'
Commented Dec 27, 2009 at 21:42:49 in Entertainment
“Phelps and his brainwashed family (many/most of his followers are family members) are Grade A crackpots.”
OtayPanky replied on Dec 27, 2009 at 23:57:13
“They really are A-list.”
Gun Lobbyists Against 'Wellness And Health'
Commented Dec 27, 2009 at 20:36:05 in Politics
“Thus, not all robberies are home invasions and not all home invasions are robberies, but nearly all robberies in residence are home invasions. Unfortunately the FBI 2008 UCR does not give location data for kidnapping, assault, rape, or homicide. Most of the 58,000 robberies in residences will qualify as home invasions. A good percentage of assaults, kidnappings, rapes, and homicides will also will also qualify. Therefore, it is safe to say that well over 60,000 home invasions occured in 2008.”
prayforroy replied on Dec 28, 2009 at 11:37:23
“It isn't safe to say that--it is nonsensical to say that.
Note how we swing from 8000 home invasions per day to 58,000 home invasions per year.
Of course, we now find out the 58000 number actually constitutes robberies at a residence--not actual home invasions.
By such logic, there are some 154,000 "street invasions" annually.
But can we blame the pro-gun side? Not really--they need fear to justify their beliefs. As such, a man who steals some money from his girlfriend is actually committing a "home invasion."”
Note how we swing from 8000 home invasions per day to 58,000 home invasions per year.
Of course, we now find out the 58000 number actually constitutes robberies at a residence--not actual home invasions.
By such logic, there are some 154,000 "street invasions" annually.
But can we blame the pro-gun side? Not really--they need fear to justify their beliefs. As such, a man who steals some money from his girlfriend is actually committing a "home invasion."”
Gun Lobbyists Against 'Wellness And Health'
Commented Dec 27, 2009 at 20:32:20 in Politics
“Here are the basics of each term.
Theft: The unlawful non-violent taking of material or intellectual property. Entry into a structure, system, or vessel may be legal. Force may or may not be used against an object, safe or lock. Can be electronic in vector. In 2008 there were apporximately 6,428,000 non-electronic thefts of material property.
Burglary: The unlawful, non-violent taking of material from a structure or vessel which is not an automobile. Force may or may not be used in entry, but the entry is illegal. Comprises two actions, breaking & entering and taking. In 2008 there were over 1,924,000 burglaries.
Robbery: The unlawful, violent taking of material from a person or occupied structure or vessel which involves force or the threat of force against persons in order to obtain the material. When done in a residence when illegal entry is involved, robbery becomes known as "home invasion robbery", but robberies can occur in almost any venue including "street mugging", hold-ups, etc. In 2008, there were approximately 359,000 robberies, about 16% or 58,000 of which occured in residences.
Home invasion: Any of several violent crimes including robbery, kidnapping, assault, rape, or homicide when they occur in the victim's residence and entry is illegal.”
Theft: The unlawful non-violent taking of material or intellectual property. Entry into a structure, system, or vessel may be legal. Force may or may not be used against an object, safe or lock. Can be electronic in vector. In 2008 there were apporximately 6,428,000 non-electronic thefts of material property.
Burglary: The unlawful, non-violent taking of material from a structure or vessel which is not an automobile. Force may or may not be used in entry, but the entry is illegal. Comprises two actions, breaking & entering and taking. In 2008 there were over 1,924,000 burglaries.
Robbery: The unlawful, violent taking of material from a person or occupied structure or vessel which involves force or the threat of force against persons in order to obtain the material. When done in a residence when illegal entry is involved, robbery becomes known as "home invasion robbery", but robberies can occur in almost any venue including "street mugging", hold-ups, etc. In 2008, there were approximately 359,000 robberies, about 16% or 58,000 of which occured in residences.
Home invasion: Any of several violent crimes including robbery, kidnapping, assault, rape, or homicide when they occur in the victim's residence and entry is illegal.”
OdinsEye replied on Dec 27, 2009 at 20:36:05
“Thus, not all robberies are home invasions and not all home invasions are robberies, but nearly all robberies in residence are home invasions. Unfortunately the FBI 2008 UCR does not give location data for kidnapping, assault, rape, or homicide. Most of the 58,000 robberies in residences will qualify as home invasions. A good percentage of assaults, kidnappings, rapes, and homicides will also will also qualify. Therefore, it is safe to say that well over 60,000 home invasions occured in 2008.”
Gun Lobbyists Against 'Wellness And Health'
Commented Dec 27, 2009 at 04:09:10 in Politics
“""Home invasion" is a construct of the media."
Which is why it has been the subject of several FBI papers, right? Like the one over 14 years ago describing the problem and suggesting several methods of addressing the problem.”
Which is why it has been the subject of several FBI papers, right? Like the one over 14 years ago describing the problem and suggesting several methods of addressing the problem.”
Gun Lobbyists Against 'Wellness And Health'
Commented Dec 26, 2009 at 21:34:48 in Politics
“Leeclayton,
Please define:
1) Home invasion
2) Robbery
3) Burglary
4) Theft”
Please define:
1) Home invasion
2) Robbery
3) Burglary
4) Theft”
leeclayton replied on Dec 27, 2009 at 00:40:35
“Why would a cop ask a citizen to define legal terms? Well, mostly legal terms, anyway. "Home invasion" is a construct of the media. It's descriptive, rather than definitive, and it helps boost circulation, or viewership. It's also effective in scaring people into getting guns.”
Josh Bowman, Gun Owner Nabbed Near Obama, Was Bush Employee
Commented Dec 26, 2009 at 21:19:49 in Politics
“It has been investigated. The guy worked for the Obama admin for about 6 to 7 months as well as having worked for the Bush admin. The guy forgot he had the firearms in the car. He had been hunting a couple days prior. He was not trying to get to Obama. He was trying find a parking spot so he could meet up with a friend in a nearby establishment.
That is it. Nothing more. Quit making a very small issue into something it is not.
Also, please do not type in all caps. It is quite rude.”
That is it. Nothing more. Quit making a very small issue into something it is not.
Also, please do not type in all caps. It is quite rude.”
FACTISFACT replied on Dec 28, 2009 at 12:52:47
“HI! My Friend OdinsEye, thank you for your nice and kind comment on FACTISFACT's comment. Your comment is based on what has been done is enough for you to be satisfied, and you have expressed your opinion.
I will not comment on individual opinion as every citizen has the right to do so but should not attack others opinion virulently on others if one even doesn't appreciate it. However, in my view such like activities detected at a very sensitive place.
How can one certify him to be cleared if tomorrow something happens wouldn't that person certifying the accused be taken as an accomplice. More over only investigation is not enough, my comment has been made with specific points on which to investigate and interrogate. Please go through my comment thoughtfully.
I understand your comment you made from your perception that you viewed the incident, and I made from my view. Why should the question of quitting come in? Then the use of Capital letters wrote it to be rude. Why? Please elucidate.
Nowhere in huffpost's regulation the use of CAPITAL LETTER is prohibited.
Please calm down and brood over the entire thing again and just thing My comment meant any harm to the President's security which is of paramount importance and no citizen should certify or clear any instance on the hear say evidence, less something otherwise dangerous crops up for such certification by individuals in writing.
Thanks once again. Take Care.”
I will not comment on individual opinion as every citizen has the right to do so but should not attack others opinion virulently on others if one even doesn't appreciate it. However, in my view such like activities detected at a very sensitive place.
How can one certify him to be cleared if tomorrow something happens wouldn't that person certifying the accused be taken as an accomplice. More over only investigation is not enough, my comment has been made with specific points on which to investigate and interrogate. Please go through my comment thoughtfully.
I understand your comment you made from your perception that you viewed the incident, and I made from my view. Why should the question of quitting come in? Then the use of Capital letters wrote it to be rude. Why? Please elucidate.
Nowhere in huffpost's regulation the use of CAPITAL LETTER is prohibited.
Please calm down and brood over the entire thing again and just thing My comment meant any harm to the President's security which is of paramount importance and no citizen should certify or clear any instance on the hear say evidence, less something otherwise dangerous crops up for such certification by individuals in writing.
Thanks once again. Take Care.”
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