“You probably meant Al-Qaeda and not Taliban? Taliban are going strong an proving relentless as always, that's why US is talking to them finally as the war can not be won against them, or admittedly is already lost with no positive utsome for the US.
As for Gohmert - well what else can be said that hasn't already been said?”
“Vasan, fair points.Just to let you know, we the Pakistanis do not actually see India as a threat rather we respect India and wish to treat the neighbor as a regional brother. The reason I say "wish" is because most of the Indian politicians are not kosher either and share similar issues like us. Hopefully India as a large country can show some responsible statesman type behavior in the region with some authentic sincere leaders on their side too.
And the ones telling you that our nukes are pointed at India and all hell will break loose if the aid to Pakistan stops are LYING! Aid to us is a form of legal bribery by US to our corrupt leaders. You must question everything and challenge it all. Pakistan has seen sanctions and what not and came out even stronger without nuking anyone. Nukes will definitely fly in an event of full fledged aggression against Pakistan and that's what they are for. We believe in MAD to the core.
I believe US needs their own tax money more than ever before... considering the worsening and shaky economy and resulting discontent as seen through Occupy_X protests. It would be nice to pay $50B back to help with the problems in the US by making a tinsy dent in it. And the money "my" govt has taken from the US without consulting us, we live with it everyday on so many levels and plan to rectify and reverse it.”
Vasan BK on Nov 3, 2011 at 13:08:49
“You make all good points. But I am genuinely surprised that you think you can actually influence the decision makers.
Unless you are a very important man in the government or the political machinery, (I don't know that of course, I am assuming you are not) you are as powerless as I am.
I never use 'We' to talk about India or America because who am I? I have no power, no say in anything that happens. Whereas I do have the right to say what I think, as do you of course.
But truthfully? when you say 'We believe in MAD to the core' what does that mean? It all depends on the select group of people who hold the keys to the nukes. They can go berserk, or they can be balanced. 'WE' -both you and I - have no say in it really!”
“Like I said we are not pegging hopes on $70 Billion, of which 40% is State's - thats a non-issue nor part of the equation, would be a bonus if that ever happens.
When Musharraf was in power, he executed the tax collection plan very nicely which actually generated huge revenues, then ofcourse everything got rolled back with this fabulous govt. we have now. Pakistan was seeing excellent growth in all areas - so the point is it has been done and can be done again with full vigor.
So you are suggesting that we should not have hope and optimisim and not take any action? Just sit back relax and see the whole country go up in flames and let the least qualified run it?
BTW, they are our problems and we will fix them ourselves. We do not need to share anything more than that nor prove or validate our plans by anyone.”
“soniak, thanks for setting the record straight. HuffPo has some bloggers who tow the same BS as in the US mainstream media. They can label all they want - who cares, plus US citizenry is irrelevant to Pakistan affairs. Unfortunately their sentiment and knowledge regarding Pakistan is biased and based on what they are fed. Hopefully they can #Occupy their own country again before they become relevant in it's affairs...”
It would be a phased plan, first of tightened and efficient tax collection by itself will be sufficient. This will result in easily surpassing the projected revenue for the government according to the studies.
Second the untapped energy exploitation and related infrastructure development from known sources within the country will reduce huge expenditure on oil imports.
Most importantly creating stability and favorbale economic development, industries, energy, and can't stress enough - tax collection will be enough to do the job in a short period of time.
Besides the amount of US aid since the inception of Pakistan is around $50 Billion total, and collective Pakistani assets up to $70 Billion are sitting outside of the country, 60% of it is the monies pocketed by our famed leaders. The country is only "poor" because of mismanagement of assets and corruption for the most part.
And mind you, US has not asked for it but we will make it a point to return it back so that they can not start their statements by saying "Well we pay them billions in aid... and blah blah blah...." Repayment will shut that pie-hole, not to mention that we will become fully soverign and independent in just about all the areas we can imagine.
The hospital issue that you mentioned does not actually require aid. Obviosuly I have oversimplified it here but you get the gist.”
...This in itself is a huge win-win and scores Imran more votes and adds more to his credibility. Anything off of US's aid and more leaning towards China is a big deal for Pakistanis. This is huge!
Pakistanis DO NOT want any US interference in their affairs and especially DO NOT want any aid, whether military or otherwise. Even to the point they are willing to return(refund) all the aid that was made to them ASAP, without even bringing up the economical loses they suffered during US imposed WoT on them. We are sick and tired of our begging leaders who compromise national security and interests by doing that. We rather live off of leaves and grass and not beg. Our existing leaders do not in any way respresent Pakistani mindset or wishes.
Imran Khan's message resonates with all of the above and there is more reason to believe that he is well positioned to be the next prime leader of Pakistan. On top of that he does not do politics on ethnic, regional and social lines within Pakistan unlike other parties and their leaders. He is loved and respected by the whole nation. He has been a national hero since he won the World Cup Cricket Championship for his country! He had made poltical blunders in the past, but who hasn't? He is the new hope and shall prevail!”
Vasan BK on Nov 2, 2011 at 12:43:20
“Just curious - don't get mad at me for asking, but where exactly will you get the money to refund the USA for all the aid you have taken? As far as I can see, even today if the US economic aid is cut off the Pakistani economy will collapse. In fact when the Sindh government refused aid last month from the USA its results were felt directly by the people because 16 million dollars were earmarked for the restoration of the Lady Willingdon hospital in Lahore.”
“First of all, Imran Khan doesn't want to be the President of Pakistan, rather a Prime Minister - so that's an error in your article. Presidents don't have any power in parliamentary form of government, unless the president is a civilian dictator like Zardari (Mr. 100% as of now) - who are backed by other "powers".
Second, I, and most Pakistanis will vote for a donkey against the existing politicians. Imran Khan is way more capable than a donkey - plus running a government is not a one person job. Imran Khan is recruiting and pulling in a lot of young and fresh talent who are fully capable of taking on political and administrative affairs of the state. Considering the incumbents they are light years ahead of them albeit inexperience.
Third, the issue of rumors that Pakistan's ISI is behind Imran Khan may have backfired the ones who started it. This actually scores him more political points and guarantees him personal and political security. ISI is a part of Pakistan Army, so the point that Army may not like him doesn't gel under the ISI backing theory. ISI and Army don't like Mr.100% Zardari but he still prevails - so regardless its a win-win for Imran Khan.
Fourth, Imran Khan is on an official visit to China as we speak - an unprecedentanted move from China; something that has never happened before in the history of Pakistan for a running candidate.
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“As a Pakistani, I wish the US Aid is cut off forever, and I won't stop at that - I wish the corrupt leaders and generals of Pakistan refund all the dollars that they have pocketed from the US Aid for their personal gains. Pakistan as a country has never benefited from any loans or aids ever. Pakistanis see these aids and loans as legal bribes to their incompetent and corrupt leaders.
The country is ripe for revolution and a violent one. We have had enough of this. At the end of the day its the people who are getting screwed. We love Americans and its progressive and tolerant nature - we want the same for Pakistan. Please help us rid of our corrupt elite by cutting off the aid for starters!
dogsrulecatsdrool on May 8, 2011 at 16:09:07
“Thank you for that perspective from a Pakistani citizen.
We often don't get that side of the story, only the views of the leadership.
I'm rethinking my previously held position.”
Arsalannn on May 8, 2011 at 15:56:41
“As a Pakistani American, I completely agree, as I explained in my other comment. The aide is not doing the people of Pakistan any favors.
But I've been saying the same thing since before this incident, and no evidence whatsoever has shown that the government had any knowledge of Bin Laden being there.”
“It would be naive to expect such services from incompetent and corrupt Pak Governmet. Although Pak Army may be a better organization to help these refugees, but since they already have a lot on their plate I think the people of Pakistan should make personal effort to help rehab the people of Swat and the adhjacent areas.
Thats what nations are supposed to do, pitch in to help their fellow citizens especially when the govrnments are a mere joke.”
“@AnimalLover6: Europe is going bankrupt, Japan has loaned too much to the US already. After the Cold War concluded in Aghanistan in 1989 with the help of Pakistan Army and ISI, the US shifted its focus towards eastern Europe and left the damaged proxy front states ie; Pakistan and Afghanistan on their own to pick up the pieces and figure out the resulting mess. To make matters worst the US conveniently slapped sanctions on Pakistan on Oct 1990, then came the PRESSLER AMENDMENT of 1992, fearing that it is developing nukes, as if it didn't know that already during the 80s. Timing of events should be noted here.
So, I would say as a courtesy the US (and I am being overly polite here) should be held responsible to some degree. If not Pakistan, they defintely should have helped Afghanistan. Pakistan is and was capable of taking care of itself and it did till this new war. Whenever there is war, problem, or some issue in Afghanistan - it directly effects Pakistan and takes us back in time and causes us misery. Just like its in India's interest to have a stable properous Pakistan, it is also in Pakistan's best interest to have a properous, stable and peaceful Afghanistan.
If Afghanistan was taken care of post-Russian pullout, there wouldn't have been Talibans, terrorism, and chaos in that region, especially Pakistan. But then again US always needs an active enemy for its military industrial complex, so here is the full circle”
“Trust me, we the Pakistani citizens are against any aid. Aids usually blackmail the nation, keeps it away from indigenous programs, self-sustainability and what not. So being a Pakistani, I am saying that we find aids insulting. However some of our leaders (conspiracy alert) will not shy away from it for politcial and power reasons. Pakistan has all the resources, natural and human to be self-sufficient and self-sustainable - Aids get int the way.
What I find funny is that when China bails US out with a Trillion+ Dollars, no one calls it AID? Why is that? Why does US still pretend to be the richest country in the world when its not. Falling and failing economy and yet all the fuss.
China is Pakistan's best and real friend. If need be Pakistan should be taking aid from China directly, not from China->US->Pakistan. But again, we rather not take any aid from anybody... I rather eat leaves and grass as a Pakistani and not answer to or be obliged to any.”