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Pushing Back Against the Hillary Haters

Commented Feb 5, 2008 at 02:20:31 in Home

“It is the relentless attacks on HRC, not by right wingers, but by left wingers. People like Ed Schultz on Air America. Constant hate speech on MSNBC, CNN, HUFPO, essentially everywhere. I have not seen or heard anything close to objective coverage in about a year.

It was a good time for Jane to point it out. I am glad that she did. I wish more people will at ask for things more substantive than what she wore.

BTW, those who criticize her on her war vote, were clamouring for war, all of the pundits on the TV, I think about 85% of the people supported war at that time. John Edwards, John Kerry, in fact all those who were running and were in the Senate voted for war. Apologizing for it will not bring back lives or improve economy.

People want authentic, and then when they see people who voted their conscience according to the information available at that time, they proclaim that those who did not take a position, or avoided taking a position are more authentic.

At least please get your arguments straight. Obama does not take positions, Hillary does, many time to her detriment, like the health care in '93. I call that authentic.

In case you don't know, Illinois State senate did not vote on AUMF. So claiming that you were for or against is meaningless.

Now Rep. Lee voted against war in Afghanistan, now that is authentic. If she was running for President I will vote for her.

Please take some time before you attack the keyboard.”
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Pushing Back Against the Hillary Haters

Commented Feb 5, 2008 at 02:06:21 in Home

“Yes, that is a fair question. However, it carries an erroneous premise: That you know what senator Obama's policy is!

unless, you have both, you cannot compare policies, now, can you?”

TommyMcCarthy on Feb 5, 2008 at 08:20:41

“Here,Here..................................tm”
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Pushing Back Against the Hillary Haters

Commented Feb 5, 2008 at 02:00:11 in Home

“But how do you tell if a person is authentic without looking at his/her record. Obama does have a record, I posted some of his record. You can look up the rest, but you have to shake a leg to vet a person. Lack of record, is a reason for distrust not optimism.”

K-Dog76 on Feb 5, 2008 at 09:54:21

“Professornitpick is right. And to top it off, Hillary's history is clouded in scandal. Whether it be Whitewater or her husband's philandering... or even her carpetbagging to New York as the precursor to this election, it calls to question her motivations much more.”
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Pushing Back Against the Hillary Haters

Commented Feb 5, 2008 at 01:55:31 in Home

“Now; not after the republicans are through with him. Let's wait and see if he can win. You may say whatever about the Clintons. They fight back and they can take a hit.

John McCain verbally spanked Obama after he backed out of a deal last year. These are the same people who made John Kerry, a person who at least volunteered to go to Vietnam, into a coward while the C-in-C whose closest encounter with death was chocking on a pretzel in the comfort of the white house, was turned in to strong on security.

Yes, I a worried about the supreme court. If Obama wins the general elections I will eat my hat. Luckily, I am too old, I do not have a daughter to be faced with the ROE V Wade. But some of you will wish that you had used your brains. You want to roll the dice, go ahead. However, do not forget you cannot diss 50% of the population and not pay for it. This unwarranted male hegemony is not going to last long. Especially, when you actually cause harm to women out of your vanity.”

Tellmethetruth on Feb 5, 2008 at 03:55:04

“I am thinking if Clinton were to go third party, she might make it, splitting the male vote between the Democrat and Republican males.

I'm with you, woman are not going to take this.”
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Pushing Back Against the Hillary Haters

Commented Feb 5, 2008 at 01:44:46 in Home

“That is a strange logic. If a guys who is representing a district, who claims to bring hope to people, don't you think he would have been able to bring about some hope and change for a smaller group of people? Think about it!

Or you would rather have him appointed the King just because he gives a good talk. Since his job was representing the 13th district in Springfield, should we not at least examine how successfully he represented the people he was elected to represent. Mayor Daley actually ended up having to go visit some to these buildings which had no heat in Chicago winter.

Senator Obama and Alderwoman Dorthy Tillman have sold their people down the river. Those in Chicago know it. It will come out. Better now than afterwards. We do not want to be so trusting after we showed a collective lack of sense in electing Dubya!

A state senator, or a Senator is supposed to bring back fair share for their states or districts. What did he bring he bring home from Springfield?

I am not asking me to believe, all I ask you to do is to pay a visit to the neighborhood? As a human you are the final arbiter of truth for yourself. But at least take a look, or ask someone. Check out the Newspapers from the winter of 2001 and 2002 to see what was going on there.”
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Pushing Back Against the Hillary Haters

Commented Feb 5, 2008 at 01:31:59 in Home

“Do you deny that he represented Bronzeville, Kentwood, Hyde Park, in fact most of the South Chicago. Yes, I mistyped, yor are right, it is the 13th District. However these are the same neighborhoods.

Now do you want to hear if he really was a professor of constitutional Law at University of Chicago? BTW, I taught there for 27 Years.”

fiver1 on Feb 5, 2008 at 02:31:53

“I do deny that the 13th State Senate District covers, or that Obama represented, "most of the South Chicago" (there are about a dozen other districts on the South Side), and I vehemently deny that anyone who actually lived in Chicago ever referred the South Side as "the South Chicago" (South Chicago is actually a neighborhood between the Lake, the Skyway, and 79th Street; my dad used to call it Ainsworth).

I'm glad to hear you taught at U of C for so long. I founded the University of Chicago. I also directed the Army to build Fort Dearborn. This, of course, was years before I midwifed Mrs O'Leary's cow.”
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Pushing Back Against the Hillary Haters

Commented Feb 5, 2008 at 00:28:42 in Home

“Jane, I would like you to post an article on the implication to the Supreme court compositions posed by various candidates. I do not wish to take sides. You have a nice lawyer friend who blogs on legal issues on your own blog. Please get her input. This is a very serious issue and I want to at least know that the message was out there before they vote.

I have been waiting for someone to broach this issue for a while. We spend a lot of time on trivial issues and not any time at all on real issues.”
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Pushing Back Against the Hillary Haters

Commented Feb 5, 2008 at 00:20:50 in Home

“continued...

Senator Obama and Senator McCain both fit the bill. Clintons have not shown any fondness for engaging in wars, we have a track record that scares the bejesus out of the FED shareholders.
Compare this to a warmonger; McCain, and a person who is looking to expand the war to to countries with large populations and real fighting capability such a Pakistan and Russia. Did you know that Mr. Brezinzski and Tony Lake (the butcher of Rawanda) are his foreign policy advisers. These guys are going to keep us engaged in the war and borrowing until the inflation is so rampant that a wheelbarrow full of dollars will not be able to buy us a loaf of bread.

Do you want this?”
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Pushing Back Against the Hillary Haters

Commented Feb 5, 2008 at 00:20:17 in Home

“No Hillary is in trouble because, President Clinton balanced the budget. You know how Federal Reserve Bank (a privately owned bank, I think there are eight major shareholders, Citibank, Bank of America, and others) loans money to the federal bank whenever it needs money. It prints this money on papers and lends it to the Federal government on interest. Of course the government could have decided to print the money itself and taken this power away from these bankers.

The second best way to neutralize the greed of the Bank by not giving it business. If you have a balanced budget (and retire you debt) you do not need to pay anything to the FED. This of course hurts the FED and its share holders. Clinton did it, so he is the enemy number one of the financial institutions. If Senator Clintons follows in his footsteps the FED will be out of business, and its shareholders stand to lose.

At this point and interest rate of 25% is considered Usury, and is against the law. Senator Obama is in the favor of increasing this to 30%.

Now put 2 and 2 together and tell me, why he is flush with money? His Iraq pull out timetable is 'flexible' depending on the situation. He wants to attack Pakistan. I hope you see how it works, when you throw a million dollar bomb and kill a few people and their goats; it is like smoking a million dollar bill. On the other hand if you build a bridge or a road, the economy is stimulated, jobs are produced, middle class expands, but the defense industry loses the capability to burn the money. The surest way to keep bankers happy is to keep borrowing the money and keep burning it in wars. This ensures good profits for them. They will support only those candidates who will borrow more and more.”

Professornitpick on Feb 5, 2008 at 00:20:50

“continued...

Senator Obama and Senator McCain both fit the bill. Clintons have not shown any fondness for engaging in wars, we have a track record that scares the bejesus out of the FED shareholders.
Compare this to a warmonger; McCain, and a person who is looking to expand the war to to countries with large populations and real fighting capability such a Pakistan and Russia. Did you know that Mr. Brezinzski and Tony Lake (the butcher of Rawanda) are his foreign policy advisers. These guys are going to keep us engaged in the war and borrowing until the inflation is so rampant that a wheelbarrow full of dollars will not be able to buy us a loaf of bread.

Do you want this?”
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Pushing Back Against the Hillary Haters

Commented Feb 4, 2008 at 23:54:08 in Home

“What do you mean by male energy? You guys will not let up even when you are taking her side. You have been so indoctrinated by the garbage you are exposed to everyday that you forget how to think straight. Please forget let women be women, and men be men.

Gals have been blogging hatefully against HRC.”
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Pushing Back Against the Hillary Haters

Commented Feb 4, 2008 at 23:34:04 in Home

“A quick tutorial on how State Senator Obama took care of his constituents in the 13th ward of Chicago, which he represented.

It is one of the only few places in this country, where you can hire a Legal born American, to work for all day, not for minimum wage, but for 20 dollars for the whole day. It is the only place where everyone has a rap sheet, it is the only place where people are taken off the street by cops and thrown in Jail for 72 hours without any reason. It is the only place where people live in such squalor that will put Katrina images to shame, it is a place where there are no stores (I means grocery stores, not Armani), it is the only place where almost everyone is out of a job, it is the only place where a cab will not take you, it is the only place where illegal mexican immigrant workers will not go because it is below their standard. Yes, a little bit of this ward also contains the University of Chicago in Hyde Park, but that is just an aside.

Most people are are section 8, they live in housing which is downright dangerous, but the housing department pays the same rent for those dwellings that are paid for in the upscale Chicago neighborhood. However, those people never get to hold the money, it goes straight from the public housing department to the slum lords, the city inspectors, the corporation attorneys, and the judges get their taste direct from the landlords.

If one has to see the track record, especially those who are Hollywood liberal. I dare you to go visit, judge for yurself if these people were represented.

I know, I was one of the landlords there. When I learned how the business was conducted, I got the hell out of Dodge. So why doesn't someone forget about lofty issues like votes, and inspiring speeches; go take a look at the work! You own yourself, and the rest of the country that much!”

fiver1 on Feb 5, 2008 at 01:25:06

“People who've actually lived in Chicago are aware that "ward" is the municipal designation for an alderman's territory (similar to a city councilman). State Senators are elected from "Districts."”

darthmaul on Feb 5, 2008 at 01:00:12

“Your use of logic is tortured at best. Why not condemn everybody in Chicago? Surely the Mayor and Governor are culpable. And what about the teachers and parents of the young people that commit crimes in Chicago? Surely if they set a better example, or taught better, Chicago would not have all the problems you list. People that seek simple causal relationships to prove their point are the ones that are simple minded.

I'll take a crack at applying your "logic."

Hillary Clinton has been a Senator from New York from January 3, 2001 to present.

The Hijackers crashed the planes into the Twin Towers Sept 11, 2001, during Hillary's tenure as Senator of New York!

Therefore Hillary is soft on terrorism and doesn't care about safeguarding the lives of her constituents.

To blame Obama for all the ills in Chicago is a stretch. What about a direct comparison between the two candidates on the issues of today... say their Iraq war vote record? This is a very simple comparison that anybody can make.”
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Pushing Back Against the Hillary Haters

Commented Feb 4, 2008 at 23:29:26 in Home

“It what? A phallus?”
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Pushing Back Against the Hillary Haters

Commented Feb 4, 2008 at 23:23:45 in Home

“Voting is not an emotional issue. It is a rational act. Your types were hoodwinked by the 'compassionate conservatism' last time around, 'some of you voted because you wanted to have a beer with the dude'.

I believe people should be required to take something like a political IQ test, those who are in 80s should not be allowed to vote.

You have to rise above you emotions and look for actual reasons. I hear that Hitler was a very inspiring orator. Look where he got us.”
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Pushing Back Against the Hillary Haters

Commented Feb 4, 2008 at 23:16:50 in Home

“Wait until you find out how State Senator Obama took care of his constituents in the 13th ward, which he represented.

It is one of the only few places in this country, where you can hire a Legal born American, to work for all day, not for minimum wage, but for 20 dollars for the whole day. It is the only place where everyone has a rap sheet, it is the only place where people are taken off the street by cops and thrown in Jail for 72 hours without any reason. It is the only place where people live in such squalor that will put Katrina images to shame, it is a place where there are no stores (I means grocery stores, not Armani), it is the only place where almost everyone is out of a job, it is the only place where a cab will not take you, it is the only place where illegal mexican immigrant workers will not go because it is below their standard. Yes, a little bit of this ward also contains the University of Chicago in Hyde Park, but that is just an aside.

Most people are are section 8, they live in housing which is downright dangerous, but the housing department pays the same rent for those dwellings that are paid for in the upscale Chicago neighborhood. However, those people never get to hold the money, it goes straight from the public housing department to the slum lords, the city inspectors, the corporation attorneys, and the judges get their taste direct from the landlords.

If one has to see the track record, especially those who are Hollywood liberal. I dare you to go visit, judge for yurself if these people were represented.

I know, I was one of the landlords there. When I learned how the business was conducted, I got the hell out of Dodge. So why doesn't someone forget about lofty issues like votes, and inspiring speeches; go take a look at the work! You own yourself, and the rest of the country that much!”
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Pushing Back Against the Hillary Haters

Commented Feb 4, 2008 at 22:59:28 in Home

“Please point out any attacks on Senator Obama, which are not rooted in fact!”
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Pushing Back Against the Hillary Haters

Commented Feb 4, 2008 at 22:56:40 in Home

“continued...

This election cycle is pivotal because, if Democrats fail to win the Presidency, which is possible with McCain. We will at the minimum loose Justices Stevens, and Ginsberg. We will also give ample opportunity to Justices Kennedy, and Scalia to choose to retire with their young successors picked out with care. Let's not forget that Justice O'conner resigned only because of a friendly Whitehouse.

So if McCain or some other Republican stays in the white house, in the first term they can load up the court with two Roberts and Alito type of Justices, That will leave only Souter and Breyer. In the second term they will replace Kennedy and Scalia, who will both be 80 Years old, they can further think strategically and replace Thomas. That will give then a 7-2 court for forty or so years. Justice souter and Justice Breyers may not be able to hold on for another 8 years.

What does this mean? This means that Roe V Wade, will be struck down. Civil liberties will be rolled back.

Now the question is to ask ourselves is, how to minimize this chance. We know that President Clinton, in spite of all the vitriol directed at him, appointed two liberals; Ginsberg and Breyer. So we can Imagine how Senator Clinton will choose our nominees.

Obama is not an unknown factor, we should not be rolling the dice on this very important Presidential race. O8' is make or break for women. I wonder how women who oppose HRC, can live with themselves. Can these people not think even one one move ahead. I feel sorry for the feminist movement, as it is victims of its own machinations.”
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Pushing Back Against the Hillary Haters

Commented Feb 4, 2008 at 22:56:09 in Home

“Jane, I love you posts. In fact, you were the reason I started reading HUFPO about a year ago.

You are fair and you argue logically. I tried reading Firedog Lake, I did not find its formatting to my taste.

I detest the amount of hate directed at her; let's be realistic we all know that general electorate does not understand the issues well or even at all.

My biggest concern is the Supreme Court. Senator Obama, whatever people say, will not be able to win the general election.

Justices Stevens, and Ginsberg cannot stay on for another four or eight years.

As you know that a President's true legacy is his court appointment. If it were not President Ford and Bush 41's miscalculation we will now be without Justice Stevens and Justice souter. A president stays in office for only a small period of time. Justice Steven has been on the court for roughly 35 years. These are the votes for social liberalism.”

RealistDem on Feb 5, 2008 at 01:00:45

“If you truly are worried about the Supreme Court, and you should be, wake up and come to the reality Hillary cant win the general. Obama does better than HRC against McCain. Tell me honestly.... who does better with independents, who can win Ron Paul anti-war republicans, who has energized young people. Who is raising more money, and from small donors which means more people. Obama simply brings in more people which means more votes in November. So your saying we sould nominate the weaker canidate with less momentum?”

Professornitpick on Feb 4, 2008 at 22:56:40

“continued...

This election cycle is pivotal because, if Democrats fail to win the Presidency, which is possible with McCain. We will at the minimum loose Justices Stevens, and Ginsberg. We will also give ample opportunity to Justices Kennedy, and Scalia to choose to retire with their young successors picked out with care. Let's not forget that Justice O'conner resigned only because of a friendly Whitehouse.

So if McCain or some other Republican stays in the white house, in the first term they can load up the court with two Roberts and Alito type of Justices, That will leave only Souter and Breyer. In the second term they will replace Kennedy and Scalia, who will both be 80 Years old, they can further think strategically and replace Thomas. That will give then a 7-2 court for forty or so years. Justice souter and Justice Breyers may not be able to hold on for another 8 years.

What does this mean? This means that Roe V Wade, will be struck down. Civil liberties will be rolled back.

Now the question is to ask ourselves is, how to minimize this chance. We know that President Clinton, in spite of all the vitriol directed at him, appointed two liberals; Ginsberg and Breyer. So we can Imagine how Senator Clinton will choose our nominees.

Obama is not an unknown factor, we should not be rolling the dice on this very important Presidential race. O8' is make or break for women. I wonder how women who oppose HRC, can live with themselves. Can these people not think even one one move ahead. I feel sorry for the feminist movement, as it is victims of its own machinations.”
Clinton Camp Says Obama Is Now

Clinton Camp Says Obama Is Now "The Black Candidate"

Commented Jan 30, 2008 at 02:26:10 in Politics

“No, if you read my mail carefully, you will see of the entire democratic electorate that in the primary, 55% were black. Of these 55% who were black, 80% voted for senator Obama. That is 44% of the total vote cast. Try using your calculator next time. Please.

See my analysis below, verified in today's Primary in Florida.”
Clinton Camp Says Obama Is Now

Clinton Camp Says Obama Is Now "The Black Candidate"

Commented Jan 30, 2008 at 02:21:01 in Politics

“Question is can he now win in Iowa?”
Clinton Camp Says Obama Is Now

Clinton Camp Says Obama Is Now "The Black Candidate"

Commented Jan 30, 2008 at 02:19:49 in Politics

“Yes, of all the blacks who voted for the Democratic Primary, 80% voted for Barak Obama. Blacks were 55% of the total Democratic vote.

Today in Florida, only 19% of the Blacks in the Democratic primary. Out of these black votes cast, 74% of black women voted for Senator Obama, and 72% of Black Men voted for him. Roughly speaking, 14 % of his 33% total vote was cast by Blacks. That the rest of his vote which is 19%, came from other-than-black voters.

You can see the raw voting numbers in on the CNN site.

Once again 72% of total votes cast, is strongly hints at 'racial pride' based vote.

Now this trend is becoming more and more obvious, these are three states in a row.

Senator Obama was not able to shake off the non-black candidate label. Not because other-than-blacks are acting in a racial manner. It is because blacks are voting race.

Other-than-black are catching up with the news. So Today he did not win in any category other than Black men and women.

Another surprise was than he beat Clinton, handily among voters who describe themselves as conservative and very conservative. Senator Obama is the darling of the left wing due to his supposed liberalism. He is far left of Senator Clinton. So it is ironic that, social conservatives have taken a shine to him. This is a very confounding result. People clearly see him as what he is not; a conservative.

It is not due to gender issue, so it has to be that people who are voting for him do have started to lead him instead of the other way around. I am scratching my head to see what is going on. However Florida conservatives have found a home in Obama. Perhaps it there is something subliminal going on;-)

This time get you calculator out. Get some scratch paper, I am sure you can do basic arithmetic.

If you can figure out why conservatives will vote for the most self-proclaimed-liberal, please let me know.”
Clinton Camp Says Obama Is Now

Clinton Camp Says Obama Is Now "The Black Candidate"

Commented Jan 29, 2008 at 11:55:22 in Politics

“You cannot claim that my premises do not hold up. You can say that you can disagree with them. Let's see the voting pattern tonight, as all democrats are on the ballot. Let's see if your objections are indeed rooted in facts.

Of course, we may not have the numbers as CNN will not cover it. But I am sure we will get the numbers by tomorrow.

You did not comment on the future of Supreme court. Which I believe is more important for continued existence of social liberalism as we know it. A wrong presidency at the wrong time, even in a one term presidency, or a half term presidency like FORD, can haunt generations.

It is an irrefutable fact that both Clinton nominations, Justices Ginsberg and Breyer, are true defenders of liberalism. If it was not Bush 41 making the wrong choice of Justice Souter, Ford making a mistake with Justice Steven. The liberalism would have been dead a long time ago.

I wonder if your college graduates, or so called more 'educated people', think along these lines. There is education (which is turning into a racket) and there is real knowledge. You think these 18-28,(from Basic college to Doctorates)can really use their own minds. This the a class of mindless drones who are being trained to join the workforce, and not to think. Their opinion start to count when they have had some experience under their belts. You would probably think that Monica Goodling was best suited for her job. I of course disagree.

Only after you have your teeth kicked in a few times in you life you begin to gain perspective which can be relied upon.

let's not forget that we did not elect Gore (well did not almost elect) because he was too wooden, while we swooned over Bush (your republican counterparts). Look where they got us.”
Clinton Camp Says Obama Is Now

Clinton Camp Says Obama Is Now "The Black Candidate"

Commented Jan 28, 2008 at 21:42:22 in Politics

“continued...

I do not have a dog in this race. I do not viscerally hate or love people. I think of what will be best for all of us. I hope he had rebuffed the media for creating division when there was none, instead of tearing the electorate apart.

The biggest loser in this race will be blacks, followed by the democratic party.

This was the only way for Republicans to keep the bully pulpit. With McCain, Democrats, will be in the doghouse for another 8 years. We need to keep an eye on Justices Stevens and Ginsburg, who cannot last for much longer. It will also provide Justice Scalia, and Kennedy, to easily retire and be nominated by younger more conservative judges, like Alito and Roberts. Sealing the fate of social liberalism for another 40 or so years.

I hope you understand what my agenda is.”

dsbsh on Jan 29, 2008 at 00:00:56

“I don't doubt your intent, and the number-crunching is fine. But your analysis comes up short in a few respects. First, in a state like South Carolina, 24% of the non-black vote IS significant, particularly in a 3-person race, and particularly in a state as racially divided as SC. Second, the assumption in your numbers is that race is the prime driving force in voting. That is true for some people, particularly in states such as SC, but certainly not for everyone, particularly those with more education (Obama won that demographic by a wide margin). IMO, Obama's bigger problem is appealing to Latino voters in light of the longstanding Black/Latino divide and the Clintons' efforts to highlight that divide. He's done quite well in states with tiny Black populations, and there's no evidence to support the speculation that the SC vote will alter that trend.

Numbers don't lie, but they don't explain everything, and they're only as good as the underlying assumptions. Some of yours don't hold up.

BTW, most of the credible polling research I've seen shows Obama just as strong against McCain as Clinton. (Although it no longer appears to matter, Edwards still does better than either of them.) And I suspect his numbers will improve. Why? Obama can appeal to moderates and independents, and he has far more credibility with the anti-war voters-- still a significant group. Plus, Hillary still benefits from being a known quantity (although this is declining), and primary voters don't tend to focus as much on the race-- and become familiar with new candidates-- until it's imminent.”
Clinton Camp Says Obama Is Now

Clinton Camp Says Obama Is Now "The Black Candidate"

Commented Jan 28, 2008 at 21:41:40 in Politics

“I hope you are not the proverbial MIT graduate, who cannot count;-)

BTW, what about voting out of 'racial pride', or now you are the proverbial Harvard graduate, who cannot read;-)

Minorities cannot win a race war, it is simple math. 10% vs. 80%.

The only way was not to get dragged into the race controversy. Who cares who was a bigger leader in the past? MLK or JKF or LBJ. These are losing fights. If media had not jumped on this story with such vigor. It could have stayed a color blind race.

I regret to have witnessed it. We have moved back in time. Mr. Obama will never win in a general election against McCain. Please recall his dressing down by Senator McCain, a couple of years ago. If Hillary wins, the losers will be blacks, and far left activists.

Programs like affirmative action were already under attack, imagine what will happen now? It reminds me to the last 7 years, when slowly, but in contrast to general trend, Illinois went all Democrat. It put us in the doghouse with the Bush administration. We as a state were not represented well at national level. This is what happens when people turn towards extremism.

11% of the total vote cast for Obama was from Other-than-Black vote. Now since 45% of the total vote was cast by other-than-black. We can see that clearly among other-than-black vote, his share of other-than-black was 24.44%
again hardly an indicator of cross-racial appeal.

This is fair math, you can use CNN actual vote breakdown, and calculate it yourself. Now if we were to assume a 10% Black vote. Along these lines, it will add up to 8% of total for senator Obama. 25% of the rest of other-than-black vote will now translate to 22.5%. This adds up to a total of 30.5%. Hardly, a wining margin.”

Rhydderch69 on Jan 29, 2008 at 21:53:00

“Um. your initial math is wrong, professor. You are assuming that 80% of Obama's total vote was black. This is incorrect. 80% of Afams voted "for" him (or against Clinton, who was happily losing his reputation as a "black president"). But you forgot to incorporate the fact that African Americans may up only one third of the electorate -- hence you undercount the white vote for obama by 1/2 -- roughly 22% voted for him, but the numbers look better as you drop down the age demographic.

Further, I would not underestimate the degree to which African-Americans voted against Clinton, rather than for Obama. And the problem for Clinton and the Democratic party is that there were sufficient ethnic/racial”

Professornitpick on Jan 28, 2008 at 21:42:22

“continued...

I do not have a dog in this race. I do not viscerally hate or love people. I think of what will be best for all of us. I hope he had rebuffed the media for creating division when there was none, instead of tearing the electorate apart.

The biggest loser in this race will be blacks, followed by the democratic party.

This was the only way for Republicans to keep the bully pulpit. With McCain, Democrats, will be in the doghouse for another 8 years. We need to keep an eye on Justices Stevens and Ginsburg, who cannot last for much longer. It will also provide Justice Scalia, and Kennedy, to easily retire and be nominated by younger more conservative judges, like Alito and Roberts. Sealing the fate of social liberalism for another 40 or so years.

I hope you understand what my agenda is.”
Clinton Camp Says Obama Is Now

Clinton Camp Says Obama Is Now "The Black Candidate"

Commented Jan 28, 2008 at 15:47:03 in Politics

“Without typos, with my apology!

Numbers don't lie. In south Carolina, 55% of total people who voted in Democratic Primary were black, 43% white, 1% Latinos, and 1% others.

Obama won 55% of the total vote.

80% of 55% is 44%.
So out of a total of 55% that he won, 44% was black vote. Add 11% of Other-than-black vote to get to his total 55%.

11% of non-black vote is hardly an indication of cross-racial appeal. Hilary won 19% of black vote, while Edwards won only 1% of the black vote.

So what do the numbers say?

Black voted overwhelmingly for Obama, while Obama's support among other-than-black vote was only 11%.

In states where total black democratic vote is in low teens, how will he win?

It was fine when he was a presidential candidate who happened to be black. Due to the stupidity of people like Clyborn, and South Carolina's electorate, this color based voting, has made him the great black hope. How can a race candidate win when his constituency is only 10% of the total electorate? People in SC, in their enthusiasm, have killed him off.

If there was an even distribution of black vote with let's say more proportional black vote divided among all candidates, he could have stayed away from the race label. Now he cannot. The argument against him is solidified when one takes into account that in Nevada Primary, he won more than 83% of black vote.

I feel sorry for him. The question is with this new tendency, can he even win in Iowa again?

BTW, another term for 'racial pride', is naked racism if non-black people resort to it. We thought we were going to rise above 'racial pride' and vote on merit.

Alas, this times blacks have chopped their own knees.”

sanglug on Jan 28, 2008 at 17:39:30

“You are completely misrepresenting the numbers. Obama won 25% of the white vote in a three person race in the most racially divided state in the country. He won 49% of the white vote 29 and under. He and Clinton were tied, behind Edwards, for the white male vote. What is your agenda?”
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