“This story overlooks one crucial point I've read in another alternative news story: The fact that the Black communities in California make up ONLY 6% of the population and could not possibly have influenced Prop 8 alone! In fact, the numbers show that WHITE Californians OVERWHELMINGLY voted in favor of Prop. 8! The fact that such a story was first thought up over at Fox News HQ hasn't seemed to bother anyone either...”
WinkleJon on Jun 2, 2009 at 02:45:45
“Factually this comment is misleading.
according to CNN's exit polls,.
Prop 8 passed by 599,602 margin votes of 13,402,566 total votes cast or by 4.47% margin.
In November 2008 Black voters had very high turnout and made up more than 10% of the vote instead of 6%
70% of blacks voted for Prop 8 giving a net of 402,078 votes or 67% of Prop 8's winning margin of votes. That is significant but not the total winning margin.
White Californians voted AGAINST Prop 8 by a slim margin of 51%. Whites were 63% of votes cast or 8,443,617 total votes giving a net of 168,873 votes against prop 8.
Blacks had a larger impact than whites in swinging Prop 8 than whites did. When you look at the net of white votes AGAINST 8 and black votes FOR 8, you have a net of 233,205 votes towards passing Prop 8.
Hypothetically with normal turnout of blacks at 6% of the total CA vote, Prop 8 would have only gained a net of 321662 votes or 80,416 votes less. 8 still would have passed by 519,186 votes. The high turnout for Obama had an impact but did not effect the final outcome.
There does seem to be a much larger gap between straight blacks and LGBT than with other communities.
To defeat Prop 8 we needed more support everywhere, no single blame.
Progressives supporting equality SHOULD focus their efforts on healing deep wounds instead of just analyzing them.”
“What angers me about the whole torture debate right now is how fast we've swallowed the ideas put forth by Cheney and his enablers in Washington, Wall Street, and the media. We keep talking of "security, security, security," but security for whom exactly? Don't give me the line that it's for PEOPLE LIKE US either... I'm not buying it. All that B.S. about how other countries hate us is a BLATANT LIE! They hate our POLITICIANS and our MULTINATIONALS, but they don't hate average Americans! That's just the xenophobic, jingoist rhetoric that conservatives have been feeding us for years! (And I'm sure everyone here will agree w/ me on that at least.) More stories like this should be brought to light and more of us should be confronting our fellow citizens on this subject whether we REALLY want to do so or not. Like it or not, we should be moving away from the Democratic Party and organizations that are too close to them too since Obama's administration and his party aren't going to listen to us.”
“What gets me is that while he continues to SAY that waterboarding is torture he continues to do NOTHING about it! Reviving the kangaroo Military Commissions, having torturers "question" prisoners AGAIN (ONLY if they promise not to torture though let's see how well THAT goes), no REAL accountability for the previous administration's crimes against humanity, seeking preventive (which he has/will call "prolonged detention"), limiting the detainees' rights to challenge their illegal detentions at Guantanamo and completely ELIMINATING that right at Abu Ghraib and Afghan "detention centers..." Need I go on? Don't get me started on the "free lunches" he's handing to Wall Street either! From what I've seen, all he has done is carry on the Bush administration's legacies... including doublespeak.”
“Are we REALLY supposed to believe that Obama and the Democrats were "caught off guard" by the Republicans and the lobbyists? These groups were here before Obama took office and they're STILL HERE! Here's an idea: Why not restrict the power of lobbyists as a whole? They don't really know anything when it comes to the economy, what the people want or need, etc. so what good are they? We need a better system and we need it NOW!”
“It is a well-known fact in this country that the political elite tend to THINK they know what's best for this country, but do they REALLY know what's best? A critical analysis of our country's history, especially in the foreign policy arena, says NO. Instead, you'd only find that they are doing what's best for the economic elite in this country and/or their buddies in the business sector. Obama is only continuing this trend by CONTINUING torture & rendition, instituting cover-ups for the previous administration's crimes, and giving amnesty to the people who should be branded as traitors for eviscerating the Constitution (via the "Patriot Act") and who MUST be tried as traitors! A man who truly represents change would not back down from this. In fact, he would probably welcome such a challenge! This is not what I see in Obama though. All I see is the "business as usual" attitude in Washington...”
“What "War on Terror?" This war was nothing more than a ploy used by the Bush Administration to advance their neocon fantasies and help the rich get richer. Thanks to him (and now Obama and the other Democratic politicians) we are only fanning the flames of hatred around the world. Contrary to popular belief though, people around the world don't hate the PEOPLE in this country... they hate our GOVERNMENT and our MULTINATIONALS! If you're wondering why, check out organizations such as CorpWatch, Survival International, and Inter Press Service to get an idea on why they hate American multinationals and American govt.”
“Ah, a hardcore Democrat I see. I never cared much for EITHER of the big parties. I find Obama to be too cowardly to push forth any agenda that TRULY matters. Let me break it down for you: He's backed off of single-payer, continues to give our tax dollars to the swine on Wall Street, he's continued Bush's, Cheney's , & Gates' blitzkrieg strategies and torture policies, and actually backed down from the pro-choice policies he supposedly supports. I'm not trying to offend here, but I do strongly believe in telling the truth. Don't believe me? Check out Truthdig, Common Dreams, World Can't Wait, etc. for some REAL criticism of his policies from Chris Hedges, David Michael Green, and other people that I have FAR more respect for right now.”
Obamanaut on May 19, 2009 at 16:54:07
“A man who has inherited so many problems brought about by a president who got pushed around and aside on the issue of the war in Iraq by a controlling, manipulative, power-hungry Sec. of State (Rumsfeld), ignored the advice of just about every economist on both sides of the aisle and continued to give more power to corporate greed, who did everything for Saudi oil he could without actually sleeping with them, taught the entire world to hold us in contempt, and so much more cr*p; you're telling me the president WE ELECTED isn't going to need a little patience while he figures out the best course of action on a hundred different fronts. Not to mention the FACT that the Republicans keep shooting down his appointments and, still, he's doing, with a skeleton crew, what most people consider a remarkable job moving the country out of the morass it's been in for the past eight years.
Is that the guy you're talking about?”
Fabienne on May 19, 2009 at 16:53:04
“First, Obama NEVER supported a singlepayer healthcare system, because he said it would be impossible to get through in today's political climate. He has NOT continued torture policies, making it quite clear that we will not be torturing now or in the future. He is still sticking with his original timetable in getting out of Iraq (supported by the Iraqis) and though I do not like his policy in Afghanistan, he is attempting to shift our goal there to a pursuit of al qaeda rather than an all-out war on the populace (which is immoral and counterproductive), though I admit there is a lot of random violence in Afghanistan, some of it perpetrated by us. And what pro-choice policies has he backed down from? Saying we would all like to see fewer abortions is hardly backing down from believing the law should allow them. Do you want someone as President who gets SOMETHING done or someone who sticks to ideals and gets NOTHING done?”
BeachBubbaTex on May 19, 2009 at 16:37:56
“Well said. The sad reality, though, is that politics is about what is possible not what is ideal. In politics the perfect is the enemy of the good. Take a look at last year's election and tell me you would be happier with President McCain.”
Revee on May 19, 2009 at 12:26:02
“Wow. I'm sold. "Pseudonerd for president"! Where do I sign up?”
“This is an outrage! Obama and the SEIU are buddying up w/ the very people who are AGAINST single-payer plans! First, the incident w/ single-payer advocates being jailed occurs and now this! This president is no different from Bush or McCain... at least on the healthcare front. *sigh* I'm SO glad I voted for Cynthia McKinney now...”
fiorastar on May 11, 2009 at 03:49:07
“I met Cynthia when she was campaigning. She's a smart, very nice, and devoted person who understands much of what needs to change. And....what exactly do you think would her power to just override all political power systems and do whatever she wants would be if she had somehow been elected? A person has to do more than have good ideas and want things to change when they are President--we aren't electing them King of the World and Head Wizard with a magic wand. There is major stuff to overcome. President Obama is a truly remarkable man with a leadership quality that has the best chance of anyone to actually pull this off with all the forces working against him.
Get behind him and stop your cynicism. If there is something you think should be set up differently, write him, call your representatives in Congress, and join some organizations that are working on this.”
BlueStateMensch on May 11, 2009 at 03:26:55
“Your obvious cognitive dissonance effected your vote as well as your understanding of the TRUTH of this article... which is NOBODY is "buddying up" to ANYBODY.
“Finally, a voice of reason! I'm so sick and tired of hearing this damned lie that the conservative media and these foolish corporations have helped spread. Anyone who cares to know the TRUTH behind the "meltdown" should read this article AND CPI's report.”
“Unsurprising, but still makes me feel outraged. Why won't Republicans and right-wing extremists like the Minutemen, KKK, and neo-Nazis forget their unhealthy obsession w/ Latinos and immigrants in general? The fools can't even tell the difference between Latinos and people of Italian, Greek, and Eastern European descent in this country! So here's some advice to those groups: Shut up, put down your guns and liquor, get off your porch, and get a REAL job!”
“LOL, Stewart's idea of calling Republicans the "Lost Party" is right. If this keeps up, she'll definitely lose her seat as governor, have NO chance of being the Republican nominee, and we can all forget about the woman we love to hate! As for what the Alaskans and the nation should do w/ politicians like this: We, the people, definitely should have something like a vote of "no confidence" instituted. People deserve better leaders than this... and I'm sure many Alaskans will agree w/ me on that.”
“Hm... I can't help agreeing w/ Naomi Klein's observations on Obama. Why is it so hard for us to see that grassroots solutions are the ONLY way to get anything done? When are we going to realize that "change" doesn't come from the "top" (AKA the political elite)? I find it shocking that so many are deciding to rest on their laurels right now instead of opting to do the right thing: organizing campaigns to push through the very things the PEOPLE and NOT the elite need. I am so sick of people expecting him to do something rather than take action and do it ourselves. We need to forget the whole "Great Man Theory" that has been sprinkled throughout our country's discourse too. All too often we forget that it was THE PEOPLE who pushed change through not some "Great Man" and this is DEFINITELY one of those times.”
Chazmania on May 11, 2009 at 17:00:56
“you are spot on! but the idea of another political figure just appeasing his cronies gets my blood to boil. we elect these people to work for us, the people. i have a job and life to manage and i don't always have time to do all there jobs for them. that's why they get the JOB! now i ask them to do it. and yes maybe you are right we have to demand that they do! Im just sic of having to do it for them and pay them a salary on top of it!”
Carolab on Apr 29, 2009 at 02:22:16
“Exactly, Obama HIMSELF said changes comes TO Washington.
People are LAZY in this country.
A democratic republic requires PARTICIPATION.
People need to put PRESSURE on and NOW -- and PUT IT ON CONGRESS.”