QuietNetworker's Comments (28)

“It should be celebrated but not educated?
Are you at all sincere in this post or is it a
case of provocation?

You've actually said to the "small d" democratic
world that you want a set of special rights for one
group of people and you want to deny them for
another group of people.

It's interesting, you don't even say you don't want
gay people to marry. You say only that you don't
want them to have the same rights...

...I'm hoping you have a solid reason for that.

However, I can't think of one, would you be so kind
as to share your logical reason?

Warmly,

Paulie Sabol”

“Not a serious 'critique' but to be in
"Rare Form" .... "As usual" is an
oxymoron :)

I have high hopes. I hope the Prize
yesterday made him go back to his
speech writers and say...

...scrap the crap, let's do this right!

Paulie Sabol”

“Amen Jack.

and LBJ didn't care if it was the end of the Democrats
by ejecting from the party all the racist bigots.

When does doing what's right trump doing what's
politically prudent?

I think the answer is "now"...

I think the people are ready to support a president
who gets things done, and the things s/he gets done
are good.

Paulie Sabol”

“Yes he did say that and it's embarrassing.

It's shocking that we can have a "liberal"
president who is to the right of Dick Cheney
on these social issues.”

“Oh, so we need to produce "House gays" in order
to have human rights?

Ludicrous.

"Bring us your good little gays."”

“Even if they mean that, it's crap.

There are "lots' of str8 people who act lewd with a Drink
a a Frat Party. Or at a bar near you.

Or online looking at images :)

It's a double standard, without question.”

“What ultimately matters is not what gay people have done.

If that were so we would have full equality already. Clearly
what matters in the minds of many and the in the laws of
the land is not even so much the box you tick, because
there is rarely a box for "gay"...but rather where you put
you d1ck (genitals).

After all, gay people were responsible or:

Cracking the Enigma Code and winning World War II.
The prime examples of literature and art in nearly all times.
Some of the greatest military men from Alexander to Lt. Choi
Some of the finest activists like Milk.

Oh and some of the darkest too: Like Coan.

What you're suggesting isn't sophistication, it's sophomoric.

It's an application of idealism that ultimately "coerces" others.

Warmly,

Paulie Sabol”

“This would have been better with a moment of editing
Stop it just before. "Why must they say..."

That made it go from feeling clever and inditing to
exclusionary and inhibiting for me as a gay viewer.

:(

Paulie Sabol”

“The thing is that might just take 1 try
and about 5 to 30 seconds.

And the info would be "fake" now
wouldn't it?

You seem to be suggesting that your
ideological opponents will be satisfied
by the "untruth" found by a technique
they say leads to "untruth" ...are you
really not seeing how ironic that is?

Warmly,

Paulie Sabol”

“They were used for politics not "safety"

As in to find fake links between a
strategic target (Iraq)

I do agree though the "attempt" to
show hypocrisy needs to be more
parallel

Paulie Sabol”

“Of course they're not...

Tiller wouldn't provide persuasive lies about
the link between Iraq and the Al Q. Terrorists.

Likewise, there's no "smoking cloud" of the
next abortionist doctor to be smoked.

So this is really weak satire.

Turks can do better.

Paulie Sabol”

“Religions are scary :)”

“The Aviator,

You've started your post with a false premise in two ways.

First, there's plenty of activist energy to fight this battle and
fight others too.

Second, there really are few fights more important than
seeking greater and greater secularism in our political
system.

Without question, faith based life style choices are major
risks to you, to our nation, and to human kind.

Consider medical progress - faith based people make
beliefs about "life" arrogantly as if they're experts. Then
they use those baseless ideas to oppose stem cell
therapies and medical breakthroughs.

Consider political progress - faith based people think
some 5,000 year old story about two brothers of Abraham
fighting from the womb, as well as, some other stories
in a much younger book "written" by an illiterate which
promote "holy war" -- and with these made up ideas,
they strap up bombs and explode non-combatants.

Consider scientific progress. This fathies read stories
about 'creation' and the 'creator's universe' and then
based on these beliefs they hold without any evidence
they attack our school system and schoolbooks.

Etc., Etc.

I tire of these "weak" defenses based upon someone
feeling that another part of the "cause" is more key to
"our fight"...

...learn your history, before the "faithies" rewrite that
also.

Warmly,

Paulie Sabol

PS IF you like this post, please click ""I'm a fan of
Quiet Networker" and add me.”

“Chiazz,

Absolutely. I want great enduring policy...and NO SHORT PRAYER.

Naturally, that's now how you meant the question and the question
has the nature of a false one. Because these are only apparently
independent events.

An independent event is kind of like rolling a fair die. If you get a
4 one time that has no "impact" on the number you will get on the
next (or any subsequent roll). Dependent events are different.
Say we're going on a road trip. I'm coming to pick you up. What
you will be able to pack into my truck will depend upon what I've
already packed there. Those are dependent events.

The problem with this open religiosity and the specific extremist
brand that is being offered is ... it suggests a 'trend' it suggest a
'brand' of 'inclusion' that didn't mean what I would have hoped as
a gay, atheist.

If we're making "room" in the trunk for the religious extremists
and religious moderates, that's a problem for me as a gay activist.
I get concerned there won't be "room" for my stuff when now all
the religious extremists will say "no no no".

Warmly,

Paulie Sabol”

“There are many many answers.

The first would be...social norms.

There isn't much of an "incest rights" movement. And there's no
groundswell rising up to support it.

Second, the argument isn't really authentic. It's basically a
"Slippery slope" and if there's a slippery slope, then it started
with "str8" marriage. So if you want to ensure there will be no
marriage for "incest" you had better start by removing it for
str8s.

Third, polygamy and much incest is against the law. For that
matter polygamous sex and incest is often against the law
merely for the ACT.

Being gay and having gay sex is not against the law per the
Constitution.

Fourth, there's the pure logic that something which is not
an identity can never in fact be the "same" thing. That is, gay
marrage is not polygamous marrage... And it's not even
polygamous marriage if it's 5 men together.

It's simply not the same...because it's not.

Cheers,

Paulie Sabol”

“If you like this post, click "I'm a fan of QuietNetworker" and add me as a friend.

Jimbo, naturally you're not suggesting that a bunch of "buddies" are going to
play "gay" in an effort to file joint taxes?

You can't possibly think that a bunch of str8 guys and gays are going to get
married.... Or perhaps you just think gay people should be disenfranchised
and overpay the govt even though much of their taxes goes to pay for the
schooling of str8 couples kids.

IF you're opposed to gay marriage for that reason, you must really be
opposed to the websites where people can incorporate online :)

Warmly,

Paulie Sabol”

“This isn't going to fix itself.

Again the real problem is the pandering to the
rationally weak -- the real problem is even if
"Warren" were not so odd as to compare gays
to the fast food, the problem is, he has beliefs
based on irrational and insufficient evidence.

While I don't know his beliefs at all...Nor do I
care to know them...

He likely holds beliefs which oppose...

...medical scientific progress (Embryonic
stem cell research)

...privacy rights progress (Row v Wade)

and

...cosmological and biological progress
(origens of the universe and animal
evolution)

This makes inclusion of people's chosen
irrational, religious views/beliefs wholly
inappropriate for our secular national life.

To the author who seemed "alarmed" at
the analogies made by Warren, you may
want to check out Poe's Law...

Poe's Law states:

“ Without a winking smiley or other
blatant display of humor, it is impossible
to create a parody of Fundamentalism
that SOMEONE won't mistake for the
real thing. ”

It's nearly impossible to tell if Rick W.
is a real homophobe or making more and
more ridiculous analogies between ...

...fruits and fast food.

Cheers,

Paulie Sabol”

“No, ChickenHawk...

...we would think that the US would agree that places in the world
which stone gay people should be put on notice.

And that signing a NON-BINDING resolution to that effect would be
what we seem to hold as a 'moral' leadership.

It's precisely because it's not happening here, but it happening in
the countries that "joined us" in not signing that is telling.

Read the article before you post, perhaps?

Paulie Sabol”

“The huff-po graphic and subheadline is very confusing.
It reads, US Opposes Anti-Gay Bill.

First, there's no bill here, it's a non-binding resolution.
Second, the "bill", as such, is not "anti-gay" And...
Last, US Opposes Anti-Gay sounds as if it was pro-gay.

The US was anti-gay herein, not pro-gay.

Is this a mere typo or some kind of confusion?

Warmly,

Paulie Sabol”

“He qualifies as a hater because he is religious.

He hates reason.

...because reason shows his beliefs to be unfounded.

He hates science.

...because science shows his g-d to be false.
(ie, bats are not birds, the universe is not 6,000 years
young, insects have six legs, not four. And of course,
the earth is not flat and the sun does not 'travel' around
the earth.)

He hates progress.

...because he's stuck in a 2000 year old tribal cult.

He's a hater.

And it does the GLBT no benefit to have anything to do
with the "f@ithful" or the "rel1gious"

Cheers,

Paulie Sabol

PS What speaks loudly is the plain facts, and the facts
are that f@ith based politics and action is either the
very biggest or in the top 10 dangers to all of the world...

...and in that list of the top 10 is not some semantic
preservation of a made up meaning of a WORD.”

“Darn, we should have had a "Family" Thanksgiving
and used the funds to raise money for marriage
equality.

Frankly, there wouldn't have been enough time for
a major movement. However, perhaps next year
we can have micro-events of 100 people in many
cities?

Hmmm,

Not sure of the logistics with food and all.

I'll ponder.

Paulie Sabol”

“THup,

A letter ruling is NOT tax law.

Paulie Sabol”

“I think the more accurate positioning is.

They fear-baited. If it is also a lie, even worse.

However, what's the problem with diversity being presented in school?
Especially in a school where it may not exist in the student body and further in a case where there may be an invisible status like a gay family or even gay closeted student.

In case you didn't know...it's not an idea virus. You don't become gay because you hear about it in the media, at school, or from "your gay friend".

Warmly,

Paulie Sabol”

“Enkeleas,

There's an economic fallacy in your argument.

It also takes money to "pass it" so the supporters are being bled also.

And if the body of supporters is smaller, then they bleed out faster.

No, the economic war will be won by repealing tax exempt status from all faith based organizations.

Warmly,

Paulie Sabol”

“Thup, even if the action is lawful the problem is the law.

Churches of all stripes should have their non-tax status stripped.

Paulie Sabol”