“I see it irrelevant that it was not in the "name of Atheism". The Soviet conspiracy pro-actively and systematically tried to get rid of religion, that was fueled by their belief that there is no God, infact their whole economical theory is geared towards disbelief in God.”
Sirlarek on Oct 7, 2011 at 02:05:18
“The economic structure of their one party democratic system needed to keep the churches and the synagogues from manipulating free thought.
Marx said that religion is the opiate of the masses. Remember that he is first and foremost a sociologist. Lincoln used Marx during the civil war. Religion reaches regions in the brain that can make individuals highly malleable. Marx is quite correct in this observation. It is well documented.”
shadowmoon55 on Oct 7, 2011 at 01:52:33
“Again, you have to separate atheism and communism. They are not the same thing.
Atheism, by itself, does not motivate or fuel anything.
I will not deny that many Christians were killed by the Soviets, but that was because they thought that religious thinking like Christianity (which commands people to not rebel and stay in their place) interfered with their vision of a worker's utopia. The motivation for the persecutions were entirely political. It was for the sake of communism, not atheism.”
Teacher Trish on Oct 7, 2011 at 01:50:07
“Uh, you are going to need a link for that claim. Preferably with quotes, primary sources and such.”
AdamWest1313 on Oct 7, 2011 at 01:35:52
“No, it was not fueled by their belief that there is no God, that is the point. It was fueled by their despise for worship of the state. That is a HUGE difference from what you are talking about.
And your claim that their economic theory was geared towards disbelief in God makes absolutely no sense.”
Meatloaf on Oct 7, 2011 at 01:31:00
“What's so hard to understand? It was a move to replace the worship of gods with a worship of the state, lest you forget, many of the regions that made up the former USSR were Islamic and didn't believe in your particular god. I wonder would it bother you so much that they were trying to rid the USSR of Allah as much if not more so than your god? Atheism is not a religion, it has no deities, no rituals, no reuquirements for membership. I daresay a lot of agnostics will at some time come to grips with their own atheism. It's more a pattern of thought than anything.”
“I could not believe it when Dawkins said that it was incidental that Stalin, Lenin where atheists....I never laughed so hard. The Soviet conspiracy systematically waged war against religion, and relentlessly endeavored to get rid of faith in God. Surprised OReilly did not challenge him on that.”
Rogr1667 on Oct 7, 2011 at 01:07:51
“What's so difficult to believe?
No one's ever claimed atheists could never engage in horrific behavior.
Just as there are plenty of examples of christians waging war in order to enforce their beliefs . The Holocaust, the Crusades, Native Americans killed because they were considered 'savages' by the 'godly' people, the Salem witch-trials , etc. , etc. ....
One of the main reasons America is now home to so many was precisely to escape religious persecution.
So had O'Reilly wanted to go that route, Dawkins could've very easily provided a legitimate counter-argument.”
Thisguy1313 on Oct 7, 2011 at 00:52:57
“Atheism has no doctrines. No fables. No mythos. No required traditions or practices. No omniscient focal point with infinite derived perceptions of what it means. No Holidays (That I know of..?) No punishments. No apostles.
And dictators wipe out religion because it is a rallying banner for dissent and belief is a powerful motivator. the people are easier to conquer and oppress if they have no common belief to drive and unite them.
WE ARE THE 99%.”
VikingViking on Oct 7, 2011 at 00:50:53
“"..I could not believe it when Dawkins said etc. etc. ..."
“Stupidity has a certain charm - ignorance does not”
Dier me on Oct 7, 2011 at 00:41:09
“Hitler, Stalin, Lenin, etc also did not believe in Zeus. How can you be sure azeusism isn't really the cause of all those atrocities?”
MonthlyBeast on Oct 7, 2011 at 00:40:31
“Marx called religion the opiate of the masses. Not that he was wrong.
Still, Dawkins was correct when he said that it is incidental that Stalin did not espouse a religion in regard to his slaughtering of millions of his countrymen. He was mentally unbalanced, much as was Hitler, who was religious. What was there that O'Reilly could have said in the way of a challenge?
A number of the founders of the United States were either atheists or were certainly not religious. Do you believe that invalidates the conception of our nation?”
Ginger Marie on Oct 7, 2011 at 00:37:53
“Totally agree. There is a reason that countries do that.”
JAS23 on Oct 7, 2011 at 00:34:47
“The point Dawkins made was that human beings, whether Atheist, Christian, Muslim, Jewish, Buddhist, or whatever your philosophy or faith is, can be "good" or "evil". Faith in a god doesn't directly cause people to behave in a manner best fit for society, as Atheism doesn't directly cause people to commit atrocities. There are countless examples in society where people who believe in god do "evil" things, and people who are atheists do "good" things. People make their own choices, whatever they believe in.”
Temporalist on Oct 7, 2011 at 00:34:41
“What does that have anything to do with anything? Those people that you cite know that religion is a mind game and they are at war for people's brains. Just like the media and industry and government are stroking each-other to maintain the status quo by owning the minds of the people. I think humans have killed more people in the name of religion than anything other than perhaps nationalism but it is always about power. Leading a mass of humans in the name of something is a pretty powerful force.”
shadowmoon55 on Oct 7, 2011 at 00:28:34
“Atheism is the rejection of the claim God exists. Nothing more, nothing less.
Atheism is not the rejection of the claim God exist, and therefore mass murder is okay.
The persecution of religion is not an Atheist value (Atheism has no values). The Soviet Union did what they did for political reasons.”
AdamWest1313 on Oct 7, 2011 at 00:25:17
“You laughed? He was right, they did not kill in the name of their religion. They did not kill in the name of atheism. What they wanted and tried to do was institute a system where you worship the state. That is not atheism. They waged war against religion because it challenged the idea of worshiping the state.”
“An historical event was held in London, almost exactly 100 years ago, that has been totally forgotten as if it never happened. Even many PhDs in the area of Black Studies have not heard of this event. The first ever Universal Races Congress (URC) in the history of mankind was held in University College of London, July 26-29, 1911. Thousand or more people attended including the great African-American scholar, W.E.B Du Bois and Dr. L.L Zamenhof, the originator of the international language of Esperanto.
It would serve the residents of London well to reflect on this wonderful legacy and start dealing with thorny issues of race and class with the same determination as the organizers of URC
PS I am by no means an expert but I can write a short description for HuffPost”
Thanks for your comments, and am saddened by what you went through. Here is one perspective on this subject. The purpose of this Faith is to promote and help create an ever evolving unity of the whole planet and we are supposed to have respect and goodwill towards all. Any form of prejudice is not acceptable, including prejudice against people with a different sexual orientation. At the same time the standard of Baha'i conduct in this area is clear, that marriage is a union between a man and a woman.
Baha'is should not be in the habit of passing judgment, or imposing their values on others, and as a community do not do so. As individuals we all have to strive daily to rid ourselves of prejudice. It is a pity that you had a bad experience; hope this helps.”
“I heard this story first hand, many years ago when I was working at HP, a coworker said that he knew Wozniak, and was offered by Jobs and Wozniak to be the first employee at Apple, his reposnse was "do you think I am going to quit HP to join a startup company that is most likely going to fail?" Bill Fernandez, who introduced Woz to Jobs eventually became the first Apple employee. I met Bill a few times and confirmed to me that he introduced Woz to Jobs. In the early days Bill and Woz made a computer that shorted out just before showing it to a local reporter.”
“Baha'is in the Holy land have had good relations with any government that happens to be in charge, and that is true before or after 1948. The Baha'is are not involved in partisan politics and cannot run for any political office as a result. The clear proof is that Baha'is (and other minorities) specially at this time are subject to relentless persecution in the land of its Birth, Iran, as well as intermittently in Egypt, and for any unbiased observer, it is obvious that they love, are peace loving and loyal supporters of their country and have never performed any actions against their governments