“Not really. Saudi Arabia is definitely one of the most conservative. The fact that they have an active morality police is proof enough.
Progressive Middle Eastern countries are like Jordan and Egypt. Women aren't forced to wear veils, they can work, heck even alcohol is widely consumed. Iran actually isn't as bad as Saudi Arabia, even though being a staunchly conservative.”
“Oh, and by the way, before you paint this picture of me as some kind of anti-gay Catholic bigot, let me tell you this. Some of my best friends in the entire world are gay. In fact, one is a lesbian and engaged to a woman. I'm going to their wedding next spring. My roommate for my freshman year at college was gay. Him and I used to hang out all the time and go see movies every weekend. I kept doing this even though the rest of my dorm mates would give me a hard time and basically ostracized me.
I'm not a homophobe just because I'm a practicing Catholic. Far from it. I just hate this discrimination complex gay activists tend to promote and blame my Church for stuff that just isn't true.”
Darr Sandberg on Apr 29, 2012 at 14:39:15
“"Oh, and by the way, before you paint this picture of me as some kind of anti-gay Catholic bigot,"
Your posts are doing all the work there.
"Some of my best friends in the entire world are gay. "
Funny, every bigot uses the same line.
"I'm not a homophobe just because I'm a practicing Catholic."
That is not an accusation I've made - yet you defend yourself - which indicates that you think that practicing Catholicism does require being a homophobe.
"I just hate this discrimination complex gay activists tend to promote and blame my Church for stuff that just isn't true. "
The homophobia is evident in the lies you tell about our lives, and the way you attempt to minimize the oppression we experience and the RCC's huge role in that.”
“No what I'm saying is would you say the Jews in America are persecuted? I wouldn't. In my community (NYC) Jews are seen everywhere and almost apart of the scenery. They hold public office and run businesses, and the general consensus is that they are just like you or me, save for the black hats and suits. And yet, they still have more hate crimes as gay people. So if Jews, a accepted minority, get attacked just as much as gays, what does that say? It says that your "pogrom" against gays is a farce. Like I said most people don't care if your gay, in fact alot of good friends of mine are lesbians.Sure theres alot of rednecks and Nazis who like to take out there racist BS on everyone, including gays, but I don't think that represents the majority of people in this country.
Yes and if you read Catholic theology you'll figure out that the Church teaches a homosexual orientation isnt sinful, its just gay sex they have a problem. Then again they disapprove of heterosexual pre-martial sex, its just the Catholic way. Read the catechism dude”
“Maybe you can start getting people's respect by stop doing the gay pride parades, they just justify every stereotype in the book. Could you imagine how far MLK could have gotten if all his followers were wearing overalls, eating fried chicken and drinking grape soda?
Oh and the Catholic school streotypes get old really fast. Most kids who graduate are atheists btw.”
Darr Sandberg on Apr 29, 2012 at 14:32:10
“"they just justify every stereotype in the book. "
Not for moral people - since stereotypes unjustifiable by principle.
'Maybe you can start getting people's respect by stop doing the gay pride parades"
Well, considering that they actually increase respect for GLBTQ people - according to heterosexuals who go to them - stopping would only benefit homophobes - who are the only people who complain about them.
Of course, your request is selfish, and thus sin. GLBTQ Freedom Day parades are not for you, they are for GLBTQ people. And when we are no longer oppressed, they will no longer be necessary.
And as for the issue of public comportment - when heterosexuals shut down Mardi Gras and "Who wants to marry a millionaire" and the Cardassians and strip joints and gentlemen's clubs and "hen parties" and all of the other ways that heterosexuals display their sexuality in public
you can complain about the GLBTQ Freedom Day parades without being a completely hypocrite.”
“There are 5 million Jews in America. There are around 4 million gay people. Demographically, thats 2.1 percent of the population vs 1.7%. Jews suffer just as many hate crimes as male homosexuals, so would you say there is a pogrom against the Jews in America today? Even though we have the second biggest Jewish population in the world and Jews are accepted?
So the pope and his cronies are going to encourage there flock to frown upon homosexuality? And who is going to believe him? Not me. Are you aware that the Church is one of the few religious organizations who feel that a homosexual orientation is not sinful? They just disapprove of gay sex (and straight sex for that matter) which is based on a Bronze Age Near Eastern understanding of the matter when gay sex was either forced or man on boy. The're codes don't understand that SHOCKER its two consenting adults in a relationship.
Should the state allow gay couples to get marriage licenses and share in the straights misery? Absolutely, there paying taxpayers i don't see why not. My problem is that you have this complex that you think your wearing a yellow star on your chest when in reality most educated people don't care. As for the uneducated, they think gays are weird and creepy and they don't like it. Let them not like it, not everyone has to accept you stop forcing people. Heck I'm straight and not everyone accepts me.”
Darr Sandberg on Apr 29, 2012 at 02:01:51
“So - your excuse for the persecution of GLBTQ people is that Jews are persecuted just as much?
'So the pope and his cronies are going to encourage there flock to frown upon homosexuality?"
Are going to? They have been for 1300 years, with the result that GLBTQ have been persecuted for 1300 years.
"They just disapprove of gay sex "
"My problem is that you have this complex that you think your wearing a yellow star on your chest when in reality most educated people don't care. "
So your problem is your fantasy that has no basis in reality. OK.”
“Well if you actually read the FBI's report you will see there's just as much anti-religious crimes as anti-gay ones. Now given most of these crimes are against Jews, but Catholics seem to be second on that list. Would you then say that there is a "epidemic" of anti-religious violence? Or a renewed Jewish pogrom? Nope, just being dramatic again.
So the Catholic Church financially supports anti-gay movements? Ok, well how many liberal organizations financially support the pro-gay movement? So are these people fundamentally wrong because they fund a cause they believe in? By your logic, the financiers behind the pro-gay movement are "effectively responsible" for the vandalization of this church.
As for the Catholic petition thing, I went to Catholic school and they bring in idiots to preach some social cause every so often. Guess what? No one listens to them. We're too busy cheating on tests to do that.
Should gay people be afforded the same privileges married heterosexual couples are by the state? Sure, I don't see why not. But please, don't take it out on the churches because they don't agree with you”
Darr Sandberg on Apr 28, 2012 at 00:37:18
“Let's check out what the RCC is doing on the GLBTQ front now:
"Archbishop Antonio Mennini, the Apostolic Nuncio, called for closer co-operation with other faiths as well as Christian denominations to put pressure on the Government over its plans to allow same-sex couples to marry. "
So - conspiring to deprive human beings of the basic civil right of marriage.”
Darr Sandberg on Apr 28, 2012 at 00:35:08
“"Well if you actually read the FBI's report you will see there's just as much anti-religious crimes as anti-gay ones. "
However, there are many more religious people than GLBTQ people. Of course, since you mentioned it, the RCC was very instrumental in creating and sustaining anti-semitism in the world for most of its history, and is now led by a former member of the Nazi youth.
"By your logic, the financiers behind the pro-gay movement are "effectively responsible" for the vandalization of this church."
No. See, the pro-gay movement does not seek to create laws that penalize participation in religion, in fact, most GLBTQ people are people of faith - close to the same proportion as heterosexuals actually.
"I went to Catholic school"
That explains a lot.
'But please, don't take it out on the churches because they don't agree with you "
Your characterization 'don't agree' is dishonest. Surely you learned about bearing false witness in Catholic School. How many "hail Mary's" are you supposed to do when you lie?
The RCC goes far beyond 'disagree' to actively incite discrimination and participate in funding it.”
Stop being so dramatic, there are no waves of anti-homosexual violence across the US. Homophobia? Yes, but not to the point where gays are being actively attacked or harassed, especially with the younger generation becoming more accepting.
The RCC is depriving LGBT people of "basic human rights"? Okay. When was the last time the Catholic Church prevented a homosexual from voting? Practicing his or her religion or lack of religion? Preventing him or her to speak freely in an open society? Come on man, the drama is oozing from your comments.
Oh, and by the way, you still haven't given me an example of Vatican or Pope ordered hate crimes against gay people.”
"The Catholic Church has been accused of urging pupils as young as 11 to sign an anti-gay marriage petition."”
Darr Sandberg on Apr 27, 2012 at 12:35:06
“"A pogrom? Really?"
"Stop being so dramatic,"
You've confused the word dramatic with accurate or compassionate.
"there are no waves of anti-homosexual violence across the US. Homophobia? Yes, but not to the point where gays are being actively attacked or harassed, especially with the younger generation becoming more accepting. "
Wrong. In the U.S., the FBI records over a thousand hate crimes against GLBTQ people every year, and then studies point out that record hate crimes represent about 1 in 17 of all actual hate crimes. So - 17,000 hate crimes a year - that's quite a wave of anti-gay violence.
Further, studies show that violence against GLBTQ goes up when there is an anti-gay measure up for a vote - and the RCC has contributed financially to many such measures - effectively inspiring increased violence against GLBTQ people.
"The RCC is depriving LGBT people of "basic human rights"? Okay."
Helping finance the ban on same-sex marriage.
"Practicing his or her religion or lack of religion? Preventing him or her to speak freely in an open society?"
The RCC complains about GLBTQ doing these very things, the message is that GLBTQ people should not have any civil rights.
"Come on man, the drama is oozing from your comments."
Your prejudice and lack of empathy is clear from your comments.”
“When was the last time they ordered a hate crime. Ie something illegal (violence, vandalism, harrassement) against LGBT people?
Darr Sandberg on Apr 27, 2012 at 01:59:54
“Your specificity is irrelevant. The actions of the RCC today inflict real harm on real people. Your characterization "Pope Benedict doesn't think gay marriage is valid," is dishonest, the Pope calls GLBTQ people inherently disordered. The RCC is oppressing nuns in the U.S. for not being homophobic enough. The RCC financially supported measures designed to strip GLBTQ people of basic human rights.
That the RCC has become slightly more sophisticated in its violence against GLBTQ people, neither erases the more direct and brutal violence of the past, nor excuse the horrific consequences of its anti-gay pogrom today.”
“To be honest the atheist group in this case sound like a bunch of whiny little girls.”
Funkstronaut on Apr 26, 2012 at 21:38:01
“This said after 2400+ comments from whining Christians, crying about an idol being moved.”
David Weidner on Apr 26, 2012 at 21:38:01
“I respect that you call this what it is. An atheist group. Not atheists. Not all atheists care about 100 year old crosses being displayed. I do not think they put it there to offend atheists in 2012.”