“"If the fate of these animals are sealed..." The fact is their fate is not sealed; it is completely in our power to determine their fate. They are artificially bred only to be forced to suffer for our tastebuds. One can easily make another choice and never contribute to this violence, suffering, exploitation and killing at all.”
“What a repulsive industry: 8.7 million pounds of animal flesh recalled and in the heart of California's "happy meat" region! I hope people wake up to the fact that they are eating hamburger and hot dogs and steaks from "diseased and unhealthy animals" as this federal inspection reports. No better time than the present to wake up and act on what you learn. Contrary to popular belief, ANIMALS ARE NOT WELL CARED FOR BECAUSE IF THEY WEREN'T, ANIMALS WOULD NOT PRODUCE FOR FARMERS. Let go of the "humane myth" already! Animals are artificially inseminated, fattened up to market weight in as quick a time as possible and sent to the slaughterhouse, in whatever condition they are in. SPENT DAIRY COWS and SPENT EGG LAYING HENS go to slaughter too.”
“Hopefully a message to all progressives, that upholding progressive values means justice for nonhuman animals with whom we share the planet. Human exceptionalism, priviledge, dominionism, speciesism, and prejudice based on species are all part of the human legacy that must be overcome in our effort to forge a greener, humane and progressive world.”
darrtown on Nov 28, 2013 at 13:00:14
“Fine for you but remember that others have a different view. Be tolerant and have the good manners to not cram your views down others throats. Lead by example.”
“Very thoughtful article. Jim Mason also wrote rather eloquently about this subject in his book, Unnatural Order": "Control and manipulation of animals — their numbers, sizes, and shapes — became almost an obsession in herding cultures. In time, control came to be valued in and of itself. It was the way of the Good Shepherd, a patriarchal model for the guilt-free exploitation of animals and natural processes. These shepherd values, grew into a religion, of course. Generations of prophets, philosophers, poets, and preachers filled out, refined, and updated the model and some went down in history as the great men of our civilization."”
“The author refers to this as "alleged mistreatment." If humans were the victims we would appropriately call this a genocide of unprecedented proportions. If cats or dogs were the victims, the enterprise would be shut down and the perpetrators could be tried on felony convictions.”
To quote poultry welfare advocate Karen Davis: "...the nascent practice of ridiculing this animal [the turkey] through imagery, jokes, and 'games' such as turkey bowls (in which participants roll a frozen turkey at a set of bowling pins) serves to demonstrate our superiority over other animals and our power to consecrate such "inferior" beings through the Thanksgiving sacrifice. The carnivalization of the turkey functions as a magic formula for conquering our fear of being a 'turkey.'" "We poke so as not to be poked at. By devouring another, we master our fear of being devoured. A pathetic bird, conceived in the mind of Man, is purified and redeemed by being absorbed back into the bowels of Man." Also perpetuating animal sacrifice, in Davis' view, is something much more troubling. "I think one of the main characteristics of many humans is a desire to have somebody suffer and die for them," she says. "Some people like the idea that turkeys and other animals have to suffer and die for us to live."”
TomP100 on Nov 23, 2013 at 13:44:03
“Nothing quite a large helping of bizarre pop psychology for Thanksgiving. Funniest post on this thread.”
FaunaAndFlora on Nov 23, 2013 at 01:22:58
“Let's put another spin on that notion. For example, "Tradition can and has been used to justify anything we want to do to the land."
Even if your Thanksgiving dinner is vegan, animals will still die so you can eat. Or do you believe crops can be cultivated without killing billions of animals?”
scarletj on Nov 22, 2013 at 15:54:29
“You make no converts wearing tin hats. If you really want to get omnivores to consider changing their diet, or want to get people to being conscious of animal cruelty, you would do much better with a rational argument.”
Komrade Killjoy on Nov 22, 2013 at 15:02:35
“LOL! When I read nonsense like this it reminds just how mentally unstable a lot of vegans are.”
Sep 18, 2013 at 16:24:43
“Thanks for adding some common sense and logic to the debate over going vegan and the reasons those claim prevent them from going vegan.”
sabelmouse on Sep 19, 2013 at 05:41:42
“you mean like feeling and being healthy ? as well as wanting to live sustainably and taking care of the planet?
and wanting food security/sovereignty for everyone on it ?
and trying to kill fewer animals and improve animal's welfare generally ?
all those made me stop with veganism and prevent me from going back.”
“Indeed. My four adopted hens are unique individuals with whom I have developed deep bonds of companionship. I was never an "animal person" until these chickens came into my life. They have taught me so very much about myself and other species in general. When left to their own devices, chickens will seek our companionship, plain and simple.”
“If use of anibiotics on farms is common place ad has been for some time, why so many changes all at once?
Isn't that like saying that Homo sapiens evolved from monkeys overnight (a common ancestor)?
It is more likely that this microbe was engineered to evade antibiotics. All you would have to do is to sequentially dose the colony with each class of antibiotics, being careful to allow the survivors to multiply after each antibiotic or chemotherapeutic agent. That would tend to clone these properties in one bug.
Why do we have computer viruses? Nasty people, not evolution.
Pathogens have never sprung into being so spontaneously in mocrobiology history with these characteristsics. There would be a genetic papertrial - like the fossil record, if you will. The genome people will tell you that.
There will be a genetic signature of some sort. The facts are not all in. This superbug is weaponized in my opinion, for what it is worth.”
“Hazel, the article merely points out that e.coli is a bacteria that originates in the gut of a ruminant animal or human. This is not a contested fact. That is the source regardless of what other foods may become contaminated by it in the process of farming, packaging and distribution of other food stuffs that could come in contact with it at many stages. It's already well documented that the abuse of antibiotics in animal ag. is causing antibiotic resistance so this outbreak in Germany is not a surprise to many scientists who have been warning about this for years. So call this or the soy story nonsense if you'd like. This kind of comment seems common in HP discussion forums where people's sarcasm and disrespect undermines any real mutual exchange of ideas and learning.”
“I don't think we can feed the world on a western diet rich in animal products. Of the 6.5 billion, only about 2 billion enjoy this kind of diet. We already have an estimated 70% of our agricultural land on our planet in the service of raising feed for livestock. It's simply impossible to even hypothesize that this kind of diet can potentially feed the world.”