“If it were your 16 year-old son running off with a 33 year-old man you wouldn't be so dismissive of his improprieties.”
Bert Sierra on Jun 4, 2014 at 12:13:02
“Holly — Do we know anything about the relationship that Jack McKinley had with his parents? I’m not far enough into Milk’s biography to know anything, but it is also possible that he might have run away from his family, or moved to NYC because of the greater acceptance of homosexuality in that region. It’s clear that Milk committed statutory rape in the case of Jack McKinley. However to focus on that as the sole thing that Milk was about is ridiculous.
In the late 1960s and early 1970s, there was a tremendous migration of homosexuals to San Francisco and New York City because of the overly intolerant views people had towards their sexual practices, even when two men or two women were above the age of consent.”
“Really? "Every single family valued God fearing Republican"? I, along with several Republican friends, recently voted to increase local taxes for a proposition that would remodel the schools in our district, adding solar power and docu cams, laptops, etc. And yet, I am fervently against abortion because I believe every single life is important. How dare you make such gross generalizations.
Let me ask you something, why are you fighting so hard to kill humans? Do you honestly believe we have the right to create a human life only to destroy it? Did you know that at 10 weeks pregnant you can hear the heartbeat and yet abortion is legal until around week 16-20. Are you honestly okay with stopping a beating human heart for such selfish reasons as "I'm not married", "I'm too young to have a baby", "I don't have enough money", "I don't want any more kids", "I'd rather focus on my career". There are childless couples desperate to adopt babies and yet here we are, allowing them to be killed. Only a truly sick society would allow this to happen. Americans are changing the way they believe about abortion. The majority of Americans now believe abortion is morally wrong.”
“In a court of law, one person's testimony can often be discredited. But, when there are two, three, four witnesses, the defense hasn't got a chance. So you tell me, with all the people who have come forward telling about Milk's fascination with teenage boys, particularly his long-term affair with a 16-year-old, do you still think it's a rumor? This is a sick, sick man people are choosing to honor.”
amesmanjeff0524 on Jun 2, 2014 at 14:35:29
“Still waiting for actual sources here Holly...”
Hrant George on Jun 2, 2014 at 14:12:39
“Having looked up the allegations I tend to agree.”
“There were many many inaccuracies with his statement. First, Joseph Smith was not the author of the Book of Mormon. The man could barely write a coherent sentence with his 3rd grade education. Second, Brigham Young did not change the practice of Mormonism after the martyrdom of Joseph Smith. The two prophets led the Church by revelation and the scriptures. Third, the tragedy of the Mountain Meadows Massacre was not through the hands or suggestion of LDS Church leaders, such as Young, who lived hundreds of miles away. It was an unfortunate series of events that occurred in a small town possibly due to the fear this group of people had at outsiders coming to drive them out like what had happened in Illinois, Missouri, Ohio. Fourth, Blacks in the Church are not considered sinners who supported Satan. This is not LDS doctrine. All of these are supported through LDS doctrinal and historical documents if you'd like to check those out. Sources range from the LDS Church History Museums in Salt Lake City, the Book of Mormon, the Bible, journals of LDS members, Church leaders and prophets, etc.”
“Wow, you honestly think that people who are against the slaughter of innocent life in the womb don't care about the children once they are born? That is a seriously twisted view. As a mother of 4, an aunt to dozens (some who are adopted), and as a teacher I take great offense to your attacks. My life and the lives of so many women are dedicated to our children, the ones we gave birth to as well as the hundreds and thousands of children we didn't. Before you ever make a general accusation again, you had better get the facts.
And yes, I do believe wholeheartedly that choice begins and ends at sexual relations. People who have an "accident", who are "careless" or "forget" to take measures to prevent a pregnancy should not get an after thought and kill an innocent being. Having said that, there are extenuating circumstances where the life of the mother or baby are in distress, or even rape, where difficult decisions have to be made, even abortion.”
serg36 on May 31, 2014 at 17:47:05
“Every single "family valued god fearing" republican votes to prevent abortion and at the same time cut funding for social programs to help single mothers. Like I said, you rather force people to comport to your religious view regarding their bodies, then actually caring about other people children other than your own. Not only hypocritical, but selfish as well.”
“It is true that the LDS Church stands strong for Christian Biblical doctrine and principles, morality and chastity being near the top of the list. The Church teaches love and kindness for all, regardless of lifestyles or sins committed, however they will absolutely not bend when it comes to people involved in homosexual relationships (or unwed heterosexual relationships) getting baptized in the Church, entering into the temples, or adopting children through LDS adoption agencies. They also hold strong to Christ's definition of marriage, between man and woman.”
“I actually listed several sources in a response to someone else but it appears HP didn't publish it. Perhaps they don't like hearing the truth via legitimate sources. Here goes again...
First and by far the most convincing, Milk's biographer and close friend, Randy Shilts (he talks about Milk's indulgence with underage boys in his book). Second, Gerald Dols, one of the teens Milk was after (he's told his experience in several interviews). Third, Randy Thomasson, child advocate, one of the nation's foremost experts on Harvey Milk.”
willowraven on Jun 1, 2014 at 21:43:00
“No they will not publish known lies. And it's strange both people you claim said this are dead and can not defend themselves. Not to mention there is no site that not a gay hate group saying anything like this. As for Gerald Dols he has lied too many time to be taken serious, first he said he was Milk's lover then he said he wasn't..”
joyfulworld on Jun 1, 2014 at 12:54:51
“Okay, but that's not any sort of "proof." It's complete hearsay. And hearsay from people with an agenda very similar to yours, actually.”
“This has nothing to do with Milk's sexual orientation and everything to do with the fact that he had affairs with underage boys.”
Or Sombre on Jun 2, 2014 at 02:56:33
“Could you please then share your sources?
As you imply that there is a vast conspiracy by local authorities as well as the federal governement to cover a pedophile, I strongly recommend that you provide your sources.”
Luke Warmer on Jun 1, 2014 at 12:04:12
“Can parents accept the stamp in one of the 27 states where they were the age of legal consent?
Harvey had a geography problem more than anything else.”
“I said I agreed with AFA's statement. I'm not using them as a source to add validity to the rumors of Milk's scandalous misconduct with minors. The sources are those who were closest to Milk, like his biographer, close friends, and boys he had affairs with.”
amesmanjeff0524 on Jun 2, 2014 at 14:30:48
“cite your sources please (if you actually have any...)”
“You had mentioned you enjoy studying religions. It appears you have been studying this one through the eyes of anti-Mormon blogs and literature. No religion has a chance if you attack it from that angle.”
Ekata on May 31, 2014 at 15:42:29
“Holly... he is stating historical facts. Can you disprove them? Are you saying the LDS church welcomed Gay peoples' right to marry in California in 2008? I know you love your church, but these are true things in its history. You must acknowledge every part of someone to love them fully.”
“Would you prefer the term "ephebophile"? I agree it's more accurate in describing Harvey as a 33-year-old man taking advantage of a teenage boy for years. And I'm only citing the affair that happens to be well-documented.”
joyfulworld on Jun 1, 2014 at 12:48:47
“How does one take "advantage of a teenage boy for years?" No one remains a teen for "years." And what is all the "well-documented" stuff that you seem unable to show us? You have an agenda and are simply making things up to fit and further that agenda.”
“Which book? Are you referring to the Book of Mormon where it is written, "and [Christ] inviteth them all to come unto him and partake of his goodness; and he denieth none that come unto him, black and white, bond and free, male and female; and he remembereth the heathen; and all are alike unto God, both Jew and Gentile."
I don't know what your definition of inclusion is for a religion, but that pretty much sounds like inclusion to me.”
FirLocke on May 30, 2014 at 11:41:56
“Unfortunately, what was written by founder Jospeh Smith and what was practiced after Brigham Young succeeded him were frequently two very different things. The Mountain Meadows massacre is just one example of that, instigated partly by Mormon teachings against outsiders. Another would be the LDS Church's support of Prop 8 in CA. Not only that, but it wasn't even until 1978 that a black man could hold the office of priest, since black people were considered historic sinners, being punished by God for supposedly supporting Satan.
So no...they have been very much NOT inclusive for much of their history.”
“I was there. I'm gay. I felt all that special energy and spirit and I was keenly aware that the practitioners and doctrines excluded me and my kind from it, indeed as history has shown, they revile us. Vehemently. The owners of that place more recently spent millions and cajoled believers into spending millions to deny me the ability to marry for love.While the place may be imbued with large amounts of worshipful energy, the bigotry, yes bigotry, woven into it's culture disqualifies it, for me, as a "most" spiritual place.”
“What a horrible thing to suggest. Have you ever actually visited the temple in Salt Lake City? I felt love, peace and the spirit of inclusion when touring the area around the temple. There are tour guides representing countries all over the world, speaking any language you could possibly want. There is absolutely nothing bigoted about the experience. Perhaps the hateful, slanted anti-Mormon propaganda has gotten to you.”
Veritasmagnum on Jun 19, 2014 at 18:56:23
“It is subjective. I have to agree with Gregory on that one. They are very arrogant.”
KYZipster on Jun 6, 2014 at 10:41:33
“I went there out of curiosity, I like old churches. I was denied entry to the temple unless I wanted to convert on the spot. I assume this would mean accepting that Jesus was in North America preaching to the native people here. One of many fairy tales my tour guide shared with me from the Book of Mormon. There's a little more to it than 'peace and love' and prejudice against LGBT people. It's a cult that tolerates no other beliefs. They're entitled to their beliefs but I would not defend them as spiritual and loving.”
mercuryhermes 01 on Jun 1, 2014 at 11:13:03
“Yes, I have, inasmuch as an outsider (non LDS member is permitted to) and I'm afraid I agree with Mr. Lawless.”
Matthew Atkinson on May 29, 2014 at 22:58:09
“By definition, any temple that excludes those who don't have a membership based on maintenance of internal orthodoxy and prior approval by human authorities is not a spiritual place, sorry.”
Bill Braski on May 29, 2014 at 13:29:08
“I felt that way at the Smithsonian.”
coloradocat43 on May 29, 2014 at 13:04:26
“no just have read their book and until recently they were very much not for inclusion for anyone not willing to believe it hook line and sinker.”
Bogus 2 U on May 29, 2014 at 11:50:19
“THE Chimney Sweeper
by Robert Blake
A little black thing among the snow,
Crying "'weep! 'weep!" in notes of woe!
"Where are thy father and mother? Say!"--
"They are both gone up to the church to pray.
"Because I was happy upon the heath,
And smiled among the winter's snow,
They clothed me in the clothes of death,
And taught me to sing the notes of woe.
"And because I am happy and dance and sing,
They think they have done me no injury,
And are gone to praise God and his priest and king,
Who make up a heaven of our misery."”
“These Mormon Proms are happening all across the country the past few years and they've been a huge success with high attendance. Last weekend we had one at a church here in San Diego and one at Los Angeles Natural History Museum which was rented out for the occasion.”
“Do you remember why? Liberals had filed so many lawsuits to try and ruin her, her governorship, and Alaska, that she quit to save her state. Alaska was more important to her than being governor. Why don't you look at her accomplishments as mayor, as governor, and since. Can your accomplishments even come close?”
“How can you say that? Why don't you take a look at the long list of each of their accomplishments, the things they have "finished". Whether or not you agree with their politics, these two women have done more than most women, especially feminists, who simply "talk" about women's rights.”
mzrecycle on May 10, 2014 at 12:00:03
“Did you forget that Palin QUIT being governor after a couple of years?”
“How silly, you aren't obligated to have any religion. And as a person with no religious beliefs the protection of freedom to exercise your religion doesn't apply (obviously since you have no religion). So why are you getting so bent out of shape over this? Just let those who choose to be religious exercise their rights under the Constitution. Just because you have no religion you don't need to harass those who do. You're like the spoiled child who got 50 presents for Christmas but since your friend got a bike, his only present, and you didn't get one, you throw a tantrum.”
UnderTheHedgeWeGo on May 11, 2014 at 13:51:10
“I don't have to harass those that do if they keep THEIR religion out of our common government. And you're like a person who doesn't realize that what was unique about the founding of the United States is that it was the first government on earth that took great pains to separate the intensity if religion from the power and influence of government, all of which you would do away with just to see people strutting their faux piety in governmental meeting.”