Jul 31, 2012 at 00:58:08
“How many of them were HOFers in 92??? These guys are still playing! Is Kobe not a first ballot HOFer? Is Lebron not going to the HOF? Is Durant not going to the HOF? Is Carmelo not going to the HOF?? Do Chris Paul, Russel Westbrook, and Deron Williams not have the potential to be HOFers? Not to mention Howard, Wade, Rose, Bynum aren't even playing!”
SaidMan on Jul 31, 2012 at 16:28:06
“Seriously, its only about 5 (lebron, kobe, durant, CP and carmelo) players on that 2012 squad that are worth talking about. The rest are good role players. The 1992 squad would dust them off...better yet the 1996 team would dust them off.”
Jul 31, 2012 at 00:52:49
“The Stockton Westbrook comparison was in response to you saying "The athletic difference between the basketball players of the 1980's and 2000's is not that great." Do you seriously not see the difference in athleticism between the 80's point guards like Stockton and Kevin Johnson and current pg's like Westbrook and Rose? International teams "packed the inside" because zone was LEGAL! Zone defense was not legal during the 80's so if you were to hypothetically try and "pack the middle" against Jordan it would be a violation for illegal defense. The 2004 team was NOT the NBAs best talent either.”
Black Rhino on Aug 1, 2012 at 08:13:23
“You're cherry picking some quick guards to make a point. Your conclusion should have been that the league has modified rules, which has benefited quick guards.
How about Centers? Where are the more athletic centers? Basketball is a big man's game, right? Where are the centers better, more athletic, and more durable than Kareem ?
Who is more athletic than Dr J? Anyone?
Is there a 6'9" point guard who's better than Magic? Anywhere in the world?
Jordan...come on, don't even go there.
Your only answer seems to be "Westbrook"...is that really all you're basing this on?”
Jul 30, 2012 at 20:48:00
“As a former player on WHAT level Mr.James? I don't think your years of junior varisty warrant your self proclamied "expertise" on the subject. You said they changed the rules in the 90's to make it easier to play...arent we talking about the team from 92!!??? The athletic difference between the 80's and now isn't that great?? Do you not notice any difference between John Stockton and Russell Westbrook? If you were actually a basketball player you'd know its much harder to score against a zone defense (which is legal now) than it is aganist man to man. We are NOT dicussing the AVERAGE NBA player, we're dicussing the BEST players. But I thought the fact these were Olympic teams already established that.”
MyNameIsJames on Jul 31, 2012 at 00:16:54
“I have been watching international basketball since the mid 1980's. All the BS about how TALENTED the current players are-- really. When you say talented what are you measuring shooting percentage? Free throw percentage? Rebounds? Or are you enamored with fast break dunks. I am in my 40's and I can still dunk. So what? Does the Sports Center highlights impress you? What we have are players who never learned half court offense except at a high school level and then they are jumping to the NBA after one year of college and you expect us to believe that they are competent enough to play at the NBA level. BS! You got a bunch of 6'8 to 6'10 dummies who populate the NBA benches because they are tall. These type of guys would not make an NBA squad in the 1980's because they wouldn't be able to figure out how run the plays. Dallas Mavericks, Miami Heat - winning NBA championships in the 1980's or early 1990's. You must be kidding me. All of that easy driving to the lane. NO Lebron would get hard fouls put on his a**.”
MyNameIsJames on Jul 31, 2012 at 00:07:52
“Insulting me will not help you win the argument. What is the difference between John Stockton and Russell Westbrook? Well for starters John Stockton shoots the ball better and averaged more assists. Russell Westbrook is a player who is fast and basically illiterate when it comes to being a point guard. How many turnovers does he average a game. Westbrook is fast but that doesn't mean that he can direct a team in fact, HE CANNOT direct a team very well. He makes bad decisions and is full of turnovers. Is this how you want to evaluate the relative strengths. If you can shoot a midrange jumpshot - something today's NBA players cannot do. The zone defense is a god send because that means you get open shots from mid-range on out. You see I remember in 2004 & 2006 when the international teams packed the inside against Team USA and DARED them to shoot jumpers and Team USA chocked because they couldn't hit those shots. The international teams hit those shots all day. The Dream Team would hit those shots. You want to compare the turnover to assist ratio between Russell Westbrook and Stockton?”
Jul 30, 2012 at 20:37:37
“Good try but the 2004 team was in no way shape or form the BEST talent the NBA had to offer! Remember Lebron, Wade, and Carmelo came into the league the year before and were virtually rookies! Dont you think theres a huge difference between them THEN and NOW? Kobe Bryant, Kevin Garnett, Tracy McGrady, Jason Kidd and Shaquille O"neal all declined to play that year! Those five alone would've won the gold!”
timaaay on Jul 30, 2012 at 22:21:58
“There may have been players who declined playing on the 2004 team. But my point was that 2004 team was still far more talented than the teams it lost too. It is not talent alone that wins games. The 2004 team still had Wade, LeBron, Carmelo, Duncan, Stoudemire, etc. They were an incredibly talented group. They lost because talent isn't what wins ball games. A TEAM wins a basketball game.”
Jul 30, 2012 at 20:28:31
“Art can't be judged by the same standard becuase its value is ultimately determined by the beholder. Theres no tangible way to judge it the way you can a 40 time, vertical leap, or basketball score for that matter. Einstein has had theories disproved and improved upon since his death isn"t that progression??”
Black Rhino on Aug 1, 2012 at 08:08:58
“You've taken a crude interpretation of darwinism, and found what you wanted to see.”
MyNameIsJames on Jul 31, 2012 at 00:24:51
“40 inch vertical leaps - that didn't start in the 2000's. You must be kidding me. I am not seeing anyone with more vertical than Dominique Wilkins or even Jordan. There is alot of non sense going on. When sports improve people are willing to acknowledge it. As much as we loved Carl Lewis no one is going to argue that he could beat Tyson Gay or Bolt. As much as we liked Tom Watson the golfer no one is arguing that he was better than Tiger Woods. In some sports things improve but not in every sport. US basketball players have gotten weaker not stronger over the past 20 years. Ask David Stern he can tell you. This guy and his consultants have been trying their hardest to make the game EASIER for the players because they fall short of the past professionalism and skill level of basketball players from the past.”