“Violating Real Property Laws - Tax Evasion - Violating Trust Law - Defrauding the Federal & State Gov - Defrauding the SEC - Defrauding Investors & Borrwers -
Creating Illegal Mortggage Loans - Failing to transfer alleged Notes to the purported Trust - Selling empty cessPool MBS Trusts to Investors - KNOWING those Trusts were imploding...
Selling Mortgages to unsuspecting borrowers strategically targeted and failing to fulling disclose those self-destruct-loans - then - all while creating TAX-FREE REMIC TRUST FUNDS to be sliced & diced knowing they were violating the IRS REMIC Provisions 806(f)(g) - which automatically REVOKES TAX FREE status retroactively -
The very notion that our states are cash-starved yet these thieving Banks deliberately (illegally) violated Reall Property Laws to further AVOID recordation taxes & fees...
But - hey, let's not look backwards... let's simply toss American families to the street - illegally FORECLOSE and CASH-IN the fraudulent Mortgage Insurance Claims - THEN - leave those 20-million American families with MARKS by the banker-beast so they can abuse & rape these families more with higher interest rates - extra fees - relentless abusive calls & threats..
“This is Why... The term TOO BIG to FAIL... here's the real meaning of it...
These loans were created to help Wall Street earn MEGA-TRILLIONS.
Wall Street sold the MBS-cessPool Securities to ... GUESS WHO? YEP!!
They sold these freaking investments to HUGE UNIONS, GOV PENSION & RETIREMENT FUNDS... that means - these loans are directly LINKED to the retirement of JUDGES - GOV Employees - Police & Fire Dept - and the infamouse TEACHERS...
So, if the gov ENFORCES our laws to prevent this CRIMINAL ACT - then their RETIREMENT & PENSIONS will immediately evaporate.
Without these ILLEGAL LOANS the Trusts are empty-bankrupt shells...
So, the answer is - the FED & STATE GOV have decided to SACRIFICE the estimated 20-million American Families to protect their RETIREMENT. That's the real answer.
These Loans were designed to FAIL. These borrowers were setup to be forced into a permanent ReFi-loop - called PAYMENT SHOCK Loans. This allowed banks to repeatedly STRIP away equity from these families and BURN THEM with additional fees & increasingly higher interest rates.
It is an Anti-AmericanOUTRAGEOUS disgrace. It is . It is ILLEGAL but the courts turn a blind-eye because that is their PENSION FUND. The foreclosures are ILLEGAL. The foreclosure sales are illegal. The loans were illegal. The cessPool TAX-FREE REMIC Trust-Funds are illegal.
Most were dumped into Maiden Lane as Toxic Waste. Apparently, that is what our Gov thinks of the average American Family - disposable toxic waste.”
“The present disgust in our courts is akin to - catching a car-jacker stealing a vehicle at a red-light. As they drive-off, they start tossing the family to the street.
Finally, the police arrest the thief. While in court the carjacker arrogantly says - hey, those deadbeats were late on a payment
Judge orders the car given to the carjacking-thief and tells the previous owners they must pay the thief's attorneys & courtroom fees.
States toss families to the street everyday for ultility or property taxes... These lenders DELIBERATELY schemed to EVADE paying taxes - violated multiple laws - REFUSE to pay recordation taxes & fees COSTING STATES 100s of MILLIONS in taxes - they violate REAL PROPERTY LAWS which "decouples" - "unsecures" their loan. THEN they LIE, FORGE, FABRICATE documents submitted to court - submit False Affidavits, Fraudulent Assignments - Breach Contracts - Defraud Investors, SEC, FDIC, FTC, FED & State Gov, maliciously abuse and defraud borrowers that were sold illegal loans and commit multiple insurance frauds, PLUS they did not use ONE PENNY of their money - but were PAID anyway THEN our ignoramous COURTS give these thieves a FREE HOUSE that was PAID OFF via Mortgage Insurances - then BAILED OUT
Lenders RIP-OFF - Fannie, Freddie, Minie, AIG, - THEN - get BAILED OUT - were PAID 100% multiple times for those loans...
AND WHO IS LEFT WITH ALL THOSE TABS? The American People..!
“The banks never used THEIR money to create these mortgages. So, the "insolvency" issue has NOTHING to do with the mortgage crisis. That is all "smoke & mirrors" to excite the crowds. It helps them sustain the "deadbeat" labels on the foreheads of these families the lenders sold ILLEGAL mortgages to.
These loans were DESIGNED to fail. These borrowers were setup to be forced into the lenders slave-trade loop of eternal refinancing. That's called EQUITY STRIPPING - PREDATORY LENDING. Lenders call them "PAYMENT SHOCK" Loans.
Then these same lenders created FRAUDULENT REMIC TRUSTS to get the Tax Exempt Status. They then VIOLATED those LAWS and refused to PAY the LOCAL (state) taxes & fees, which is NOW why we are hearing so many states teetering bankruptcy. YEP, that is ALL directly related to the ILLEGAL acts committed by the LENDERS.
The defaults only exposed the ILLEGAL acts committed by these lying thieving lenders. Those same thieving lenders have been PAID in FULL 100% for EVERY FORECLOSED LOAN and in fact, were paid multiple times 100%.
That's why those loans had mortgage insurance figured-in and why Freddie, Fannie, Minie, & AIG, needed multiple BAIL-OUTS and support.
ALL because these LENDERS Defrauded the borrowers, FED, State, SEC, FDIC, FTC, Investors, Insurance companies, and countless others. The defaults merely EXPOSED the lies.
NOT ONE PROSECUTION..? Wall Street thanks everyone for their bonuses & bail outs though...”
AeJaa on Mar 16, 2011 at 00:36:19
“ARMs escalated to support funds that would have been otherwise failing to gain, or actually losing, due the the failure rates of the loans. That's also known as not attracting new investors and thus not paying huge fund manager bonuses.
As obviously unstable as they were in reality, on paper they were producing fabulous wealth. For bankers and investment brokers, they were the gift that keeps on giving, and ultimately became the only potential means of providing any form of liquidity to the funds being brokered, simply because of the growing number and the fees being taken in.
There's a very human breaking point that the gain of a deposit or investment has to maintain before a person decides to withdraw. People withdraw all the time, and it's not a big deal for banks because there are enough "real" assets to cover typical withdrawals. But when a large number become concerned and start to withdraw, it exceeds what is actually available because most of the assets are speculative. (Think George http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qu2uJWSZkck )
Selling more garbage was forestalling stagnation, providing incomes, and keeping foreign investment in US banks. But when it DID finally catch up, OUR banks couldn't respond like George did. Instead, they said "we don't know where it is." And that's that's because..it was never there. Leveraged 13/1 as banks and up to 300/1 in investments, they had only AIG and US, the taxpayers, to bail everybody out.
AeJaa on Mar 16, 2011 at 00:03:39
“"The banks never used THEIR money to create these mortgages. So, the "insolvency" issue has NOTHING to do with the mortgage crisis. . ..These loans were DESIGNED to fail."
How do I say this. There's a "Yes, you're totally correct." but then there's a "But", and that "But" has a lot to do with what I was saying, AND what you're saying.
Start by understanding that the major banks are a business, and the Federal Reserve Board is a part of their business. And because they are a business, they expect to make a profit, just like any other business on Earth.
HOWEVER, they don't operate like any other business on Earth. Because the both the population and the economy will grow, banks literally "invent" money during the course of their business. They do this every time they produce a mortgage, make a business loan, home equity loan, car loan, or personal loan. The money that's on their books in the form of assets isn't sitting there in cash. It's in the form of interest, backed by some or no security. And servicing all of these produces fees, for cash.
But then they figured out how to sell that interest to make more immediate money by tranching these loans and selling them to investors in funds, derivatives, and other exotic means, which brought more wealth in fees and percentages.”
“I've read 100s of cases and agree - courtrooms hate pro-se litigants. I tried all those you've mentioned but it will cost them too much money to represent us - even though it is a winnable case.
The courts rulings are so inconsistent on these cases - small & medium sized law firms will NOT jump on board without very hefty retainers. The ACLU last year said they don't handle these type issues. I've talked with our States AG office and was told "it wasn't his problem..." Even when I put material evidence of the Frauds from multiple cases - blatant fraud on the court - forged foreclosures & affidavits, forged Deeds - including FBI forensic expert.
Strange - very strange... I spoke with the FBI 3-4 hrs at our house. They subpoenaed my files and started investigating because there was so much fraud.
It is as though they are all waiting for it to go away. Recent article in the Baltimore Sun - 1000+ "Deeds" are Forged by LAWYERS. I told the AG this over a year ago but it wasn't his problem. I wonder if he says that now?
This is a very serious & ugly FREIGHT-TRAIN on a collision course with OUTRAGE & VIOLENCE. The more folks learn they were burned - the greater the outrage. They need to grasp the issue and deal with it legally instead of allowing these families to be sacrificed. They put their heads in the sand and are hoping it goes”
“Yep - and that includes the FBI... It is incomprehensible that even the FBI is betraying American families by allowing these lying thieving banksters to repeatedly gang-rape & pillage these families.
I used to have great respect for the FBI. Not anymore - they are as despicable and disgusting as politicians are. It is disgusting and THEY KNOW what is going on.
How can any respectable gov leader simply sit there and knowing these lying, thieving, manipulating, banksters & wall street, are relentlessly - repeatedly raping & destroying American families.
These families are denied fundamental rights of due-process and equal access. They are arrogantly discriminated against as slaves to then be further humiliated & abused by the same lying thieves later. All because they were DUPED into loans that were misrepresented & STRATEGICALLY designed to FAIL. These families could have NEVER repaid those loans. They were DESIGNED to FAIL.
Worse - banks were SO ARROGANT they REFUSED to comply with our state's Real Property & UCC Laws - thus KNOWINGLY "unsecured" & "de-collateralized" the Loans. Meaning, those loans are no-longer SECURED by the property therefore they CANNOT legally be foreclosed. Those consequences are from the ILLEGAL acts committed by BANKS and have NOTHING to do with defaults.
These Banks/lenders defrauded Investors, Borrowers, SEC, FED, STATE, County’s, etc, PLUS committed TAX EVASION which is WHY our states are cash-poor and in trouble. These banksters DELIBERATELY evaded paying 100s of MILLIONS (Billions) in taxes.
“Do you have a copy of your Note (Promise to Pay)? Countrywide "assigned" those Notes to - America's Wholesale Lender however, THAT trade name was taken. There was a MAJOR lawsuit TOSSED by NY Courts for that reason.
Google Countrywide - Foreclosure Lawsuit - America's Wholesale Lender and you should find that case. I can't remember the details they "alleged" to assign these Notes using that trade-name but it was PROVEN to be a FRAUD.
If they have NOT corrected it and I don't know if they can, get a copy of your NOTE & File a Quiet Title Action. This forces them to show the court your original "wet-ink-signed" Note. When they can't show it motion the court to QUIET your TITLE and DEMAND CW/BofA RELEASE the LIEN on your Deed. In fact, they also (deliberately) violated Recordation laws via proper Assignment evidenced by your Deed of Trust filed at your local county land records. It probably shows nothing indicating the Note was sold.
If you research these issues - you'll find that neither CW nor BofA have legal standing even to COLLECT mortgage payments because both are merely Servicers "hired" by the Trust. The Trust only has legal authority over those loans (Notes) "physically" deposited by the CLOSING DATE of the Trust . They cannot assign it AFTER the closing date because it is a REMIC Trust, which gives the Trust its Tax Exempt Status. Violate the Remic = BUSTED - taxes become retroactive.”
Mr Hankey on Mar 15, 2011 at 22:12:41
“My first response to you didn't get through the moderators.
Quiet Title might be a good option. I could probably file it myself, but I want to take every precaution and ask a professional for advice.
My QWR original loan copies say America's Wholesale Lender - I'll have to do some homework to find out if that's been updated.
Thanks so much for your excellent advice and help! :)”
"...Mr. President, it is natural to man to indulge in the illusions of hope. We are apt to shut our eyes against a painful truth, and listen to the song of that siren till she transforms us into beasts. Is this the part of wise men, engaged in a great and arduous struggle for liberty? Are we disposed to be of the number of those who, having eyes, see not, and, having ears, hear not, the things which so nearly concern their temporal salvation? ...I have but one lamp by which my feet are guided, and that is the lamp of experience. I know of no way of judging of the future but by the past... If we wish to be free — if we mean to preserve inviolate those inestimable privileges for which we have been so long contending — if we mean not basely to abandon the noble struggle in which we have been so long engaged, and which we have pledged ourselves never to abandon until the glorious object of our contest shall be obtained — we must fight! Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God! I know not what course others may take; but as for me, give me liberty or give me death!"
... Patrick Henry - March 23, 1775
"...That to secure these rights, governments are instituted among men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed. That whenever any form of government becomes destructive to these ends, it is the right of the people to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their safety and happiness... - ...But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such government, and to provide new guards for their future security..."
......Thomas Jefferson - DECLARATION OF INDEPENDENCE
Is that simply "violent rhetoric" to you...?
Do you know what "keep the powder dry" meant to those men, women, & children, slaughtered by the British after they took their GUNS and AMMO from the people - OUR PEOPLE. OR does it matter because that was merely some time in history and doesn't apply today...?”
“I researched our docs as far as I could to figure out how the dots connect...
This is NO KIDDING... there is 36-MILLION DOLLARS of insurance that could be attached to OUR ONE MORTGAGE - and that is NO-JOKE. I was dumbfounded. Met with the FBI about it and other issues for about 3-hrs. I could not believe what I found. Worse - it is ALL LINED to the same dude - Kushal Bhakta - Senior Parter to Balboa Insurance Group...
This is a violation of the REMIC Provision. The REMIC gives these TRUSTS TAX-FREE STATUS - any violation automatically VOIDS the tax status per IRS 806(f)(g) and RETRO-ACTIVELY forcses the Trust to PAY 100% taxes back to the date of the violation.
I also have TWO different copies of our Note. One is FORGED the other who-knows? but I plan to ask the judge if they can print multiple copies of the Negotiable Instrument (Note) than I should be allowed to PRINT the money to PAY their FAKE LOAN...
Yep - coincidence all-right... The debt collecting foreclosure mills are more danderous to this country than terrorist insurgents and should be treated likewise...”
4 EYES on Mar 14, 2011 at 23:18:52
“I'd say HOLY CR@P, TWOMANY, but I understand it...many, many years ago I explained the "financification" of America and the world to my colleagues. The whole system is corrupt, intertwined and rotting. It's them against us....8-)”
“No Lawyer - we wish we had a lawyer but everything I've mentioned is from my-own research.
Retainers for serious law firms run from 75 to 150k.
It is practically impossible to find an attorney that knows what they are doing and willing to fight the big-dog lender law firms.
The FBI has taken our case but that doesn't help us much. I've sent countless letters to delegates, state AG, Governor, Senators, Senate Oversight Committee Hearing, and special task forces supposedly tasked to help consumers. NOTHING - its a farce and the lenders know it.
These folks simply have no-clue as to how or what to do. I've pointed out the lack of proper recordation, which is plaining stated in our real property laws. I've shown them the SEC filings & PSA contracts that were breached. It goes on deaf-ears.
I've given the material evidence including forensic expert witness reports specifically for our case & others. It is very strange because they know what was done but I was told our case is a potential powder keg. It will go to the Appellate Courts and expose issues they do NOT want exposed. I was told that by a judge & a few attorneys.
Not sure what I should think but I REFUSE to give in because I know we did NOT lie or exaggerate. That lender definitely did and I have the material evidence to prove. But I've never been in courtroom before.”
“Wall Street started it Wall Street Funded it Wall Street is the culprit. The Gov is complicit and betraying the American People. WHY...
These loans were bundled - swapped for bonds then sold as MBS on Wall Street.
WHO bought them - YEP - THE GOV. The Wall Street crowd sold these investments back to Union & GOV retirement and pension funds and that includes TEACHERS, FIREMEN, POLICE, GOV Employees, JUDGES, etc.
THAT is why it is TOO BIG to FAIL. If the Fed allows law breakers to be prosecuted their RETIREMENT FUNDS will collapse.
Here's the deal - the Robo-signing issue EXPOSED the ILLEGAL acts committed. The ILLEGAL robo-signing was necessary because it is ILLEGAL to FORECLOSE a mortgage that was NEVER legally/properly Transferred to the Trust. So, technically, these LYING THIEVES sold EMPTY fraudulent Securities Investments because the TRUSTS were literally EMPTY. Then when the illegal loans collapse FASTER than they could HIDE - they needed ROBO-SIGNERS to make APPEAR as those the LOANS (NOTES) were actually in the Trust as required by STATES REAL PROPERTY LAWS & UCC.
The INVESTMENTS are FRAUDULENT. However, if the FED force the courts to ABIDE by our LAWS, then the Union & GOV RETIREMENT FUNDS go bust EQUALS = tada- TOO BIG to FAIL.
So, they are allowing MILLIONS of American families to be ILLEGALLY foreclosed and tossed to the streets to protect their retirement funds.
Countrywide is on record admitting to selling 142-BILLION dollars worth of mortgage loans to borrowers that Countrywide KNEW the borrowers could NEVER REPAY. That is already on record.
Using Countrywide's data - that equates to over 965-thousand families that will be TOSSED to the street because COUNTRYWIDE sold them an ILLEGAL loan. There is NOTHING to indicate these families were EVER disclosed to the fraud that "induced" them to accept the loan.
Audits exposed that 60% of New Century Loans (Countrywide) had fraudulently INCREASED the borrowers income by 50% or MORE... These were INTERNAL changes that could NOT be done by the borrowers.
The infamous EPS software add-on by Countrywide that automatically intercepted a REJECTED loan app - then CHANGED the loan to a NINA or SISA loan - changed the loan coniditions to make it appear AFFORDABLE - sent it back to the originator APPROVED.
Here's the thing - ALL of these LENDERS did the SAME THINGS. They did NOT care if these families could repay or not because the loans were ALL COVERED BY UNCLE SAM and OTHER insurances. They were paid multiple times 100% for the SAME loan. Foreclosure is chump-change they toss to the little people working for them. That's David J. Stern would GIVE a FREE HOUSE to the employee producing the FASTEST FORECLOSURE.
They are SICK and should be delivered a 2000lb MOAB for what they've done these families.
Now - you can do your own homework and learn the truth.”
First - the banks did NOT use THEIR money to fund the loans. They DEFRAUDED the investors and used their money.
Second - every mortgage they sold REQUIRED mortgage insurance which the BORROWERS were FORCED to pay.
So, find out the Trust your mortgage was Pooled and Sold. Go to the SEC website and download the PSA (Pooling & Servicing Agreement) along with the Purchase & Selling Agreement and then the 8K & 10K filings - along with other docs - prospectus - 424B and others.
There will you learn that YOUR LOAN along with ALL thse "credit-risk" loans - were covered MULTIPLE TIMES their values and ALL are triggered by a default. These are the following typical insurance policies - mortgage, bond, secutities, default, Pooling, separate mortgage, etc...
These PURPOSE for these loans was to FORCE the borrower to refinance over & over. That is how they STRIPPED the EQUITY and WHY they drove up values to CONTINUE STRIPPING the equity and charging more fees & interest.
That is fact - honest FACT. The LENDERS delibereately sold these mortgages KNOWING they were designed to self-destruct. The borrowers were simply shown an AFFORDABLE monthly pymt and told it "might" go up in the next 3-5 yrs. That is FACT.
If you want to KNOW the TRUTH - read the lawsuits by INVESTORS. A good one is MBIA vs Countrywide. You will read depositions describing how Countrywide DELIBERATELY changed borrowers loan apps - and put them into blatantly ILLEGAL mortgage”
If the Gov continues to fail the American people and thinks this issue will be ignored, they are making a HUGE mistake. When 20-million American families learn they were DELIBERATELY targeted and sold illegal mortgage loans - the illegally foreclosed - there will be hell to pay.
Those LOANS are NO-LONGER secured by their properties. The BANKS violated countless LAWS and decoupled these loans. These foreclosures are ILLEGAL and the borrowers should begin investigating the RETIREMENT FUNDS of the JUDGES that TOSSED them to the street. These are VOID ORDERS and the judges should be SHAMED for their complicit ignorance.
The Debt Collecting Law firms and Foreclosure Mills should be shut-down and the attorneys JAILED for aiding & abetting the illegal acts of their clients - committing FRAUD on the COURTS and betraying their code of conduct...
Keep the Powder Dry...”
wrabbitt on Mar 14, 2011 at 22:42:55
“"We the people" have had enough.”
Cool Canuck on Mar 14, 2011 at 19:24:11
“"Keep the Powder Dry".................Easy with the violent rhetoric there TM!!”
“It merely prevented the unions from further extortion. The union members didn't get hit with any losses.
Collective Bargaining Rights = Extortion - give me or else... that's what they did for 50+yrs. So, taking 50-bucks and giving back a nickel or dime doesn't quite equate a consession...
A whole-lot of whining over nothing...
The TAX PAYERS already GAVE up wages & benefits too... Why should they be forced to subsidize the unions? Removing the collection extortion rights simply put the unions on the same playing fields as everyone else... Its a bunch on non-sense...”
The issue is WHY has our cost of living & goods RAISED exponentially, but incomes remain flat.
Folks don't seem to comprehend the significance of what we're seeing. The BALANCE of wages & cost of living have been SERIOUSLY skewed beyond repair.
The mortgage issue is an easy example. The problem facing most families in foreclosure is that they were SOLD an ILLEGAL LOAN. Their income does not and CANNOT meet the payment. A 50-70k salary cannot PAY a 300k mortgage no-matter how it is sliced.
The LENDERS controlled the market and deliberately DROVE values up. They did this while similtaneously seducing consumers into more debt. They did it to FORCE the borrowers to refinance. Lenders call these special loans - PAYMENT SHOCK loans. Their goal was to FORCE consumers to repeated refinance and each time they STRIP more & more equity away and charge MORE & MORE fees & interest.
Securitization allowed these lenders to gain Tax EXEMPT status. Then these same thieves violated Real Property Laws, UCC, SEC, & TRUST laws to AVOID paying LOCAL County & State Taxes.
They have done this for the past 7-12 yrs. Practically every mortgage obtained within that time was never properly assigned or recorded in the COUNTY LAND RECORDS. That equates to Billions or at least 100s of millions for EACH STATE. That ALONE would replenish & dissolve every tax problem for states.
“This is typically a Servicing Fraud by the servicers. They bill the consumers and consumers pay because they don't know what to do about it. If you have proof of insurance - bust them with a good lawsuit. This is typical servicing fraud and people should sue these servicers for it.”
Balboa Insurance Group - an interesting company - one of the largest in India - and the lead Partner - Counsel - Vice President - Kushal Batkka (spell) is a FRAUDSTER... In fact, he was VP of Countrywide and lead counsel while the same for Bank of America and this was PRIOR to the supposed buyout/merge...
He is also the VP and lead counself for many of Countrywide's infamous scandalous shell companies to create the fraudulent Trusts they sold to investors. YEP - while our gov leaders were bailing out these lying thieves with TRILLIONS of OUR DOLLARS - Kushal and those like him (remember ENRON) were cashing in the MORTGAGE INSURANCE on all those ILLEGAL LOANS they DECEPTIVELY SOLD to families.
They cashed in the Mortgage Insurance - Bond Insurance - Default Insurance - Pooling Insurance - Securities Insurance - Special Hazard Insurance - and did it ALL in plan day-light while our gov watched then BAILED THEM OUT...
That's why they were bailing out INSURANCE COMPANIES before they every started bailing out the banks. Keep in mind - Guethner came from AIG where the FRAUDS were centered and too - those banks NEVER used a PENNY of their money to create those loans.
So, it beckons the question, what happened to all that money?
Let the REVOLUTION begin... lock & load”
EdCorner on Apr 1, 2011 at 12:09:09
“Insurance companies are the main fraud enablers. We limit the insurance companies insuring risk and we lower risk and gambling. Great post and good luck with your mortgage.”
johngary66 on Mar 14, 2011 at 19:15:29
“And who brought Guethner into his cabinet? Feingold/Sanders in 2012.”
4 EYES on Mar 14, 2011 at 16:58:26
“Why, why, why...these are just coincidences!...LOL...Fanned!....8-)
P.S. You know what I think about coincidences, don't you??”
“Don't know - never listen to Rush... The logic still fits... so, if we have drunk driving laws - it didn't work because there are still drunk drivers - so obviously, there is a need to ban ALL alocohol, right?
Maybe if we gave all criminals using guns DOUBLE bonus unemployment checks and extra-extra- funding for their drugs & gangs - maybe that would help curb gun-abuse? Gee, now that sounds like a real leftist remedy, now doesn't it...especially, if we make some rich-dude fund it... that'll get the vote out and the union busses rolling, won't it..!
Yep - pass a law to make kids wear helmets...
Strange how there are laws to help correct some of those issues yet, still allowed the general freedoms to exist... yet, guns should be banned - even though it is well established fact that the folks committing crimes using guns are NOT the law abiding citizens you feel compelled to penalize.
I guess your Air-America station couldn't include a little common-sense commercials to help with the reasoning parts...”
“nah - not the macho... the presumption and false stereo-typical label-paste nonsense is probably part of it...
The real difference between the so-called Righties vs Lefties is fairly simple..
Righties are folks that want control of their own lives while respecting the desires of others. They simply want to keep the money they earn and make sure the Gov remains on a short-leash.
Lefties are folks that want others (lefties presumably) to control their lives apparently to blame them for everything wrong - and disrespect everyone else... while demanding everyone else finance their utopian societies.
Guns are not the problem - people abusing guns is. Banning prescription medication might curb some drug addiction problems - but does that sound logical?
Should we prohibit alcohol sales to stop drunk drivers or should we require all drivers take a diabetes type blood-test before their vehicles can be started - proving they are alcohol free..?”
So lets pass a law to give everyone at least 3-speeding tickets per year because we all know there are speeders. We all know that speed kills and so we should all be happy to pay at least 3-speeding tickets per year, right?
PROSECUTE THE VIOLATORS and leave us law abiding citizens alone, please... If the above analogy makes sense, then start there. If not, then leave the guns with those who DO CONTROL THEM.
How many people were killed by drunk drivers last year? So lets ban all alcoholic beverages.
How many kids were killed on bicycles last year - so lets ban all bicycles...”
Oceras on Mar 13, 2011 at 19:40:59
“Why are those opposed to any aspect of gun control always so loud and insulting? The HP forums are meant to encourage dialogue. Your type of post only displays uncontrolled emotion, little else.
The statement about speeding tickets is only valid because you say so. However, you are wrong. No one has proposed or will propose burdening anyone engaged in lawful behavior with tickets for anything. Everything that proceeds from that analogy is thus wrong.
Prosecute what violators? How will our President's suggestions affect legal gun owners in any way, shape, or form?
Your drunk driving and bicycle analogies are ignorant. There are many legal restrictions on driving while impaired. When these laws are violated, then the law is there as a reason for punishing them. Same with bicycles. But guns? You just want to be a special case. You want unrestricted access and unrestricted use it would appear.
You must know that, moderating and teaching with feedback, as opposed to yelling and one-sided instruction, are far more effective means of achieving any goal. Yelling and one-sided instruction are only ways to harden your opposition. If your goal is to create a hardened opposition, fine. You're doing a great job. But if your goal is to change peoples minds without making us all feel divided, then you've done a lousy job.”
CubfanBudman on Mar 13, 2011 at 19:26:45
“We did ban drunk driving.
And most states have laws requiring kids on bikes to wear helmets.
(As for the part about speeding tickets? It must have sounded better when Rush said it that it does here, because you come off as half ret@rded)”
“How about prosecuting every murderer by giving them the death penalty. Let's see if that drops the murder rate before we penalize the LAW ABIDING citizens...
Why do people believe criminals would be lost if all guns were suddenly banned? What kind-of thinking is that...? Anyone committing a crime using a gun should get the DEATH PENALTY. NOW THAT would reduce crime. Any gang member using a gun to commit a crime put the ENTIRE GANG on DEATH ROW. THAT would REDUCE crime.
Remove guns from the people - we are SLAVES to Wall Street and the Gov - abused by criminals - and left with nothing. Kadafi likes the idea of banning guns.”
“How many CD's do you have? How many jeans, shoes, socks, watches, cars, etc... I have three guns - 44-Desert Eagle, 357-Colt, 40-cal Glock... If you've ever had to stare into the barrel of a gun, then you might appreciate the necessity of owning them. The seatbelts in my vehicle have never been put to the test by an accident - but I still wear them when I drive. I hope I never need to test-them (per-se) however, I can't say the same for my guns. I've needed them used them, and am VERY THANKFUL I had them.
So, NOPE - I own 3-guns that's it. I would rather have 10 or 20 but only because I like guns. I also have a 2-channel stereo that I don't really need - but I have it. Some folks might think a 2-channel system is old-fashion especially if they saw the tube amp powering the speakers. I don't need it - but I have it. Guns are both a necessity & fun to have but if you don't like'm - that's fine. I listen to practically every genre of music but can't stand hip-hop - don't know why just never acquired a taste for it - but I certainly don't think all hip-hop should be banned...”
tcnsrq on Mar 13, 2011 at 21:44:46
“was it the machismo comment that got all these guys worked up????”