Tane's Comments (215)
Copenhagen Deal: Activists React
Commented Dec 19, 2009 at 10:44:49 in Green
“Thanks for the sentiment, I completely agree. You would think that the folks at Huff would rather go back to the horror of the Bush administration than accept progress in smaller steps than they hoped. I can only imagine where we would be right now had McCain / Palin won the election. Progress in Washington takes time folks. After years of struggling to get even a minutia of progress I for one am incredibly pleased to see the steps we are taking.”
Would The Senate Health Care Bill Have Helped Obama's Mom?
Commented Dec 18, 2009 at 02:05:37 in Politics
“Well put! I completely agree. I find it disgusting how quickly so-called progressives turned on this President. They give very little credit for the enormous down payments that this President has already put towards health care, education, energy, environmental protection, equal pay, the return of science, and the re-balance of power. How quickly we forget that the Recovery and Reinvestment Act invested more money in all of these areas than has been provided in decades. Progressive movements have been a part of the fabric of America since the late 1800's and has traditionally been a center-left movement and it generally acknowledges that progress generally comes in steps. The movement recognized that radical change was rarely successful in garnering public support and thus usually failed to be enacted in a manner that would stick. I knew during the campaign from studying Obama's writing and voting record that he was a progressive who operated in an incremental manner because he believed that if he could bring everyone to the table and build consensus through compromise he would have a better chance at moving people to the left over time. If you get people to accept small changes then you can continue to build on them over time, gaining more acceptance along the way. This is how you move the "ship of state" as he describes.”
MaryK2924 replied on Dec 18, 2009 at 06:38:17
“Agreed!”
Would The Senate Health Care Bill Have Helped Obama's Mom?
Commented Dec 18, 2009 at 01:27:24 in Politics
“It is not the Executive Branch's job to legislate, in fact it is not even constitutional. The attacks on President Obama for not doing the Congress' job for them is misguided. We finally have a President who believes in the balance of power and who has attempted to give Congress back the power that it was denied under Bush. Our Representatives have stumbled through this newfound power, but I for one welcome the return.”
Citizen-Jane replied on Dec 19, 2009 at 18:59:05
“Yet, He will sign this bill into law. He he and his minions did a lot of arm twisting and directing the dems to bend over.
He is weak leader and if he gave a $hit about the people he would've stood up for us a long time ago. No but he gives into LIEberman and preacherman Neson. This bill sucks and it is not going to get much better.”
He is weak leader and if he gave a $hit about the people he would've stood up for us a long time ago. No but he gives into LIEberman and preacherman Neson. This bill sucks and it is not going to get much better.”
Please, Cut Obama Some Slack
Commented Dec 17, 2009 at 20:04:36 in Politics
“I completely agree! Smart take!”
Gross Failure of the Media
Commented Nov 20, 2009 at 19:45:14 in Media
“Actually there is a difference in the two that seems to be missed in this debate. There was evidence of vote fraud in the Bush election whereas with regard to Acorn there has only been evidence of false voter registration. Those are two very different things. Registration fraud rarely leads to voter fraud since if they slip through and actually get a ID card they do not cross reference in the books at the ballot locales and so they are not allowed to vote. Not to mention that Acorn actually reported the registration fraud themselves and threw those fraudulent registrations out. In the Bush election the entire content of ballot boxes were discarded and computer readouts were altered. If you remember during this last election there was actually evidence of fraud in the counting of ballots as well, but those were in McCain's favor, not Obama's. There were districts in NY for instance that are majority Democratic and majority African American that somehow managed to have ZERO votes for Obama.
Regardless of any of that, let's be real. Gore actually won the popular vote and the Supreme Court stopped the counting in Florida and declared Bush the winner. In this election, Obama won both by a large margin. The fact that 52% of Republicans refuse to accept the legitimacy of President Obama is pure partisan BS and nutty to boot.”
Regardless of any of that, let's be real. Gore actually won the popular vote and the Supreme Court stopped the counting in Florida and declared Bush the winner. In this election, Obama won both by a large margin. The fact that 52% of Republicans refuse to accept the legitimacy of President Obama is pure partisan BS and nutty to boot.”
ThermoChemist replied on Nov 21, 2009 at 12:47:41
“Well stated..!
Something I've always had a problem with is people's "fake equivalences"; and CrzyRussll's comment is a prime example of what I'm referring to.
The claim that people suggesting that Bush stole the elections is the SAME as people now claiming that Obama did NOT win his election. The former is based on factual evidence; while the latter is delusional thinking.. !
They equate Registration Fraud with Voter Fraud..!
Joe Wilson's infamous, and inappropriate, "You lie"? No problem to them. To them, it's the same as any previous President getting critiqued (never mind following proper Congressional decorum).
A President "misleading" the country about the presence of WMD in Iraq? To them, that's NOT as bad as a President lying about 0ral sex.
Recent example:
A MULTITUDE of lies in Palin's book were pointed out by various people/sources. What are the typical comments from Palin Supporters? Along the lines of "Well, at least she didn't say there were 57 states..!"
[I'm like "WTH are you talking about? How the hell do you people think?]
They equate "mis-speaks" (verbal gaffes) with outright fabrications, obfuscations, and continual bending of the truth [by Palin].
FOX News bias? No problem to them. They simply claim that ALL News channels are biased. [completely neglecting that FOX News is CONTINUALLY guilty of deceptive practices like: exaggerating numbers, fabricated stories, mislabeled chyrons, erroneous video editing, etc.]”
Something I've always had a problem with is people's "fake equivalences"; and CrzyRussll's comment is a prime example of what I'm referring to.
The claim that people suggesting that Bush stole the elections is the SAME as people now claiming that Obama did NOT win his election. The former is based on factual evidence; while the latter is delusional thinking..
They equate Registration Fraud with Voter Fraud..!
Joe Wilson's infamous, and inappropriate, "You lie"? No problem to them. To them, it's the same as any previous President getting critiqued (never mind following proper Congressional decorum).
A President "misleading" the country about the presence of WMD in Iraq? To them, that's NOT as bad as a President lying about 0ral sex.
Recent example:
A MULTITUDE of lies in Palin's book were pointed out by various people/sources. What are the typical comments from Palin Supporters? Along the lines of "Well, at least she didn't say there were 57 states..!"
[I'm like "WTH are you talking about? How the hell do you people think?]
They equate "mis-speaks" (verbal gaffes) with outright fabrications, obfuscations, and continual bending of the truth [by Palin].
FOX News bias? No problem to them. They simply claim that ALL News channels are biased. [completely neglecting that FOX News is CONTINUALLY guilty of deceptive practices like: exaggerating numbers, fabricated stories, mislabeled chyrons, erroneous video editing, etc.]”
The New Strategy for Obama's War: Precision Power
Commented Nov 17, 2009 at 23:41:13 in Politics
“Ditto to 23000 Days post! What an apt description of the Obama administration's approach to Af-Pak. I sympathize with them, it is going to be difficult for Obama, Clinton, Gates, et al to explain this intricate and complicated situation. As much as I dislike war, the consequences of abandoning the area would be horrendous and I'm not sure we can live with that. I remain hopeful that our civilian personnel and humanitarian aid workers are able to continue their work and assist the people in the midst of it.”
Sarah Palin: Newsweek Cover Showing My Legs "Sexist" (PHOTOS)
Commented Nov 17, 2009 at 23:03:40 in Media
“Wow. Touche`!”
Israel Stands Alone
Commented Nov 11, 2009 at 05:23:40 in World
“Thank you, it gets on my nerves when people claim that. Even W told them not to advance on Iran. I also think that it is illogical to compare President Obama to Carter as he does. President Obama seems to lean more towards Bush 41's rationalist foreign policy philosophy.”
No One Is More American Than I Am
Commented Nov 10, 2009 at 14:31:20 in Politics
“Thank you ! I have been very disturbed by the religious bigotry on display regarding the recent violence. It is refreshing to read your post, there needs to be a lot of push-back! I have been encouraged by the response by the General's and other military leaders response to this prejudicial commentary by the right wing. I thought it prescient that an Army Chief of Staff interviewed on CNN stated firmly that if the diversity of the Army was affected as a result of this horrendous act that it would be even more detrimental than the act itself. Kudos to you for standing up for the great diversity of our country!”
What Do We Want? Change! When Do We Want It? Ten Minutes Ago!
Commented Oct 28, 2009 at 03:24:23 in Politics
“Thanks! I have been making a like argument whenever people I know start griping. It's funny how at the beginning of the Obama Administration polls showed that people expected it would take about 2 years for Obama to get us back on course - the impatience and short memories of our public is making it even harder for the President to enact already incredibly difficult policy changes.”
Matt7 replied on Oct 28, 2009 at 09:50:39
“And daily fodder for the media, the GOP and their tr0lies.”
Debbie Wasserman Schultz for President/Vice-President in 2016?
Commented Oct 14, 2009 at 06:00:05 in Politics
“I second that motion! Love Debbie, she's one tough cookie!”
Hillary Clinton Today Show VIDEO: Nobel For Obama's "Attitude Toward America's Role In The World"
Commented Oct 12, 2009 at 11:17:23 in Politics
“With all of the volatile situations the State Department is facing in the world, I am impressed with the team they have put together and am relieved that egos do not seem to be getting in the way of their work. I enjoyed watching Amanpour's interview with Clinton and Gates. Gates' praise for the manner in which the Departments work together so well in this administration as opposed to the other 7 administrations he worked with is indicative of President Obama's managerial skills. As with the campaign team, the "no drama Obama" approach seems to permeate throughout all of those working with the administration. It is really refreshing to see these folks working so hard rather than letting their ego's hinder their team approach.”
roshni replied on Oct 12, 2009 at 12:35:58
“I agree and the team inspires confidence in me. Wars cannot be ended in days when they have been raging for years, but we are on the right track.”
The Outrage Pandemic
Commented Oct 11, 2009 at 01:44:17 in Politics
“Add me to your growing list of folks who are very proud of our President and not at all outraged. I am very excited about the progress that has already been made and all of the seeds that he has planted that will sprout soon. I think that the outrage pandemic is the expression our national growing pains. Progress is rough and tough work and it takes time. People need to relax a bit and understand what the President means when he talks about the Ship of State moving slowly but effecting immense change.”
Get Off Obama's Back: Second Thoughts From Michael Moore
Commented Oct 10, 2009 at 23:58:57 in Politics
“Hear! Hear! I was appalled that the left joined in the ridiculing of our President regarding the Nobel Prize. To not recognize that his election transformed politics around the world for the better and altered the world's view of America in a tremendously positive way is to wear blinders that do not allow us to see beyond our borders. This was an international award given by another country, so why would we expect them to judge President Obama on domestic policy? They were clearly moved by his election and the impact it had on the world and they are encouraged by his commitment to nuclear disarmament. Who are we to second guess their reasoning or say he doesn't deserve the award? That is so Kanye West!”
Hilary Swank Sleeps Naked, Stays Naked In Front Of Boyfriend's 6-Year Old
Commented Oct 10, 2009 at 00:52:29 in Entertainment
“Monster?”
Hilary Swank Sleeps Naked, Stays Naked In Front Of Boyfriend's 6-Year Old
Commented Oct 10, 2009 at 00:51:15 in Entertainment
“Her boyfriend clearly doesn't have a problem with it; and the way she described it, it isn't as if she is being an exhibitionist about it. I'd suspect she uses sheets and blankets, so if the kid pops into the bedroom in the morning it isn't like he's getting pornographic exposure. At any rate, children should not be taught to be ashamed of their bodies, so running for cover shouldn't be our first response.”
KristinNoelle replied on Oct 10, 2009 at 00:55:59
“I disagree. Children should be taught modesty. I have a friend with three children and in their household, they do not close doors to use the bathroom, they'll shower together, etc. When the oldest started kindergarten she took her pants off in the middle of class and THEN went to the bathroom and was teased by the boys in her class for the rest of the year. Two years later the same thing happened to her little sister.”
ifitwereme replied on Oct 10, 2009 at 00:53:56
“if I was on facebook I'd friend yah! nice post”
Obama Nobel Prize A Disaster, "No Upside," "The Damage Is Done" Says Morning Joe Crew (VIDEO)
Commented Oct 09, 2009 at 10:20:45 in Politics
“WTF? During the election we acknowledged that his win would transform the world's opinion of the US. How is that a bad thing? How can double digit improvements in the world's opinion of America a bad thing? This is a win for America period. This is as much about our electorate as it is about our President. Dissing the President's win denigrates the millions of American's who voted for him, as the vote for many of us was a vote for global cooperation in the midst of global crises. We chose to look at the challenges of the world with hope rather than fear and anger. For you to insult the rest of the world for the recognition that President Obama provides a powerful vehicle for peace and positive action is a sad statement on your morality, judgment and politics. Do you not realize that with the world's populations rooting for our President's agenda we have the ability to mobilize international governments in a positive direction? This is a very good thing, not something to be denigrated.
Funny that conservatives choose to take the side of Islamic terror entities such as Hamas and the Taliban rather than take the side of our own President in this matter.”
Funny that conservatives choose to take the side of Islamic terror entities such as Hamas and the Taliban rather than take the side of our own President in this matter.”
patiofurniture replied on Oct 09, 2009 at 10:27:14
“The only world opinion the right wants is one of fear and loathing of the US...as in, "we're bigger and badder than everyone else and you must respect our authoritayyy!!!"”
Where's the Change? It's Everywhere
Commented Sep 28, 2009 at 18:19:20 in Politics
“I think the disappointment has been misdirected. The President cannot force the more conservative Democrats in Congress to support progressive legislation. That's our job!
It seems the left-wing has chosen to sit back and complain that President Obama hasn't moved fast or far enough while the right has mobilized and managed to scare the Democrats in Congress from advancing his agenda. We need to step up to the plate and show this country that there really is a progressive movement out here. A movement is not comprised of one person, it requires a groundswell to propel the movement forward. If you want progressive change, you have to do the hard work that it entails.”
It seems the left-wing has chosen to sit back and complain that President Obama hasn't moved fast or far enough while the right has mobilized and managed to scare the Democrats in Congress from advancing his agenda. We need to step up to the plate and show this country that there really is a progressive movement out here. A movement is not comprised of one person, it requires a groundswell to propel the movement forward. If you want progressive change, you have to do the hard work that it entails.”
Drjimmy72296 replied on Sep 28, 2009 at 19:01:43
“Yet Obama has no problem forcing liberal Democrats to toe the party line. When Obama wants something, he gets it. He went after Lloyd Doggett over the cap-and-trade bill. He went after Lynn Woolsey over the war funding bill.
This is, according to Woolsey, what Democrats who cross Obama's agenda to serve their progressive base are told: "We're not going to help you. You'll never hear from us again."
So don't tell me Obama has no sway with his party. The liberals he's threatening don't need his help to get re-elected. They come from the bluest districts in the company.
The Blue Dogs he's allowing to set policy are mostly in danger of losing their seats and need help from the party and Obama in particular to keep their jobs.
Also, what's Obama's role in this. We worked to elect him. Now he has to do the job. It's not all date nights and European vacations.”
This is, according to Woolsey, what Democrats who cross Obama's agenda to serve their progressive base are told: "We're not going to help you. You'll never hear from us again."
So don't tell me Obama has no sway with his party. The liberals he's threatening don't need his help to get re-elected. They come from the bluest districts in the company.
The Blue Dogs he's allowing to set policy are mostly in danger of losing their seats and need help from the party and Obama in particular to keep their jobs.
Also, what's Obama's role in this. We worked to elect him. Now he has to do the job. It's not all date nights and European vacations.”
Where's the Change? It's Everywhere
Commented Sep 28, 2009 at 18:17:47 in Politics
“Thanks Dylan! I've been making a similar argument. I do think we should continue to voice our concerns and push the President and Congress to do more, but I too find the argument that he hasn't done anything irrational. Not only did he invest more for energy, he invested more in education than has ever been spent, and a huge amount in health care as well. He managed to invest in the upgrading and updating of public buildings, mass transportation, health IT and education that will save us tons of money in the out-years. For decades this country has ignored our infrastructure, science, and energy policy, and within the first month of his administration this President managed to change all of that. In the next year we'll see significant job growth in green energy, science, health care and education that will help advance our country after years of stagnation. Next year he'll take on immigration reform, Social Security and Medicare. We haven't had a President truly willing to take on these difficult items for years and he deserves credit for being willing to while under constant attack from the right and the left. He could easily decide to focus entirely on the economic crisis, the wars and many foreign policy crises that have come his way. Instead he's chosen to push ahead with his policies for change...”
TV SoundOff: Sunday Talking Heads
Commented Sep 20, 2009 at 11:39:36 in Media
“These commentators, political strategists, partisan politicians and pundits who complain that Obama is over-exposed are the same people who bloviate daily on TV as if we'd rather hear their loaded opinions more than from the President of the United States. As if we respect George Will's opinion more than the President's! They are the ones who are overexposed!”
Unsui replied on Sep 20, 2009 at 12:47:25
“Tane, I agree completely and wish I had thought of making this argument. I hope you don't mind, but I'm going to steal it (I will cite you as author) for my radio show today. Good thinking!”
TN60 replied on Sep 20, 2009 at 11:59:02
“They all really believe that their words are written from on high for them. Such @sses....a s if we care what they really think..”
Smithn replied on Sep 20, 2009 at 11:44:51
“Limbaugh, Beck, Hannity can't say a sentence without "over exposing" their Obamaism.”
Why Health Care Reform May Kill the USA
Commented Sep 18, 2009 at 15:48:24 in Politics
“While treason isn't applicable, I'd say that sedition is. Sedition is a term of law which refers to overt conduct, such as speech and organization, that is deemed by the legal authority as tending toward insurrection against the established order. Sedition often includes subversion of a constitution and incitement of discontent (or resistance) to lawful authority. Sedition may include any commotion, though not aimed at direct and open violence against the laws. Seditious words in writing are seditious libel. A seditionist is one who engages in or promotes the interests of sedition.
Sedition is the stirring up of rebellion against the government in power. Treason is the violation of allegiance to one's sovereign or state, giving aid to enemies, or levying war against one's state. Sedition is encouraging one's fellow citizens to rebel against their state, whereas treason is actually betraying one's country by aiding and abetting another state. Sedition laws somewhat equate to terrorism and public order laws.
I'd also purport that the 25 Republican members of Congress who went Israel and told their leadership that the Obama Administration is undermining Israel and appeasing Iran is seditious. Furthermore, the Republican Congressmen who went to China and told their leadership not to trust the Obama Administration's economic policies or trust that we will honor our debt is also seditious, if not leaning towards treason.”
Sedition is the stirring up of rebellion against the government in power. Treason is the violation of allegiance to one's sovereign or state, giving aid to enemies, or levying war against one's state. Sedition is encouraging one's fellow citizens to rebel against their state, whereas treason is actually betraying one's country by aiding and abetting another state. Sedition laws somewhat equate to terrorism and public order laws.
I'd also purport that the 25 Republican members of Congress who went Israel and told their leadership that the Obama Administration is undermining Israel and appeasing Iran is seditious. Furthermore, the Republican Congressmen who went to China and told their leadership not to trust the Obama Administration's economic policies or trust that we will honor our debt is also seditious, if not leaning towards treason.”
From the Raft replied on Sep 19, 2009 at 01:02:53
“I agree with you.”
Nancy Pelosi Warns Of Violence Over Heated Rhetoric, Chokes Up (VIDEO)
Commented Sep 17, 2009 at 20:21:10 in Politics
“Have you heard the conservative talk radio response to this? Savage is saying that Pelosi is priming for martial law and that the left is going to stage a violent politcal attack and frame a right-winger for it. Darla J. in KC, MO says that Pelosi is falling apart because the Dems are backed into a corner because no one in America wants the public option and the Dem's are trying to distract the debate with talk if racism and political violence. She said that she has seen zero racially tinged signs at protests and that everyone at the 9/12 rally were polite and cheerful.. . I guess she didn't see the clip of the person who had to be escorted through the crowd by the police with the Public Option sign. The only thing that kept him from being accosted was the police.
http://www .youtube.c om/watch?v =0Q7XH8lfG Mc”
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AnnfromCA replied on Sep 17, 2009 at 20:22:12
“I go with Darla's take on this.”
Ignored by All Media: Major Health Care Provider Organizations Testify in Support of House Bill
Commented Sep 17, 2009 at 19:59:45 in Politics
“Thanks, I watched the hearings as well and wondered why no one is covering them. The hearing in Kucinich's Domestic Policy Subcommittee oversight hearing on private insurance companies effecting medical procedures. It was poignant as well and all of those who testified supported a public option. The Cigna whistle blower, Mr. Potter, was there and he provided inside information on how private insurance companies do everything they can to deny claims and eliminate customers. One witness also gave a very moving response to Republican Rep. Jordon when confronted about single payer vs. public option vs. simply free market approaches including health savings plans; the father took Mr. Jordon to task, saying he was himself a Republican, but that the GOP was talking out of both sides of their mouths. He emotionally told the panel about how his daughter's medication went from $1,000 a vial to $25,000 a vial in the span of a year due to the monopoly of the pharmaceutical company and went on to tell of a time when he went to Belize and his daughter got sick and was hospitalized for 4 days and the bill was only $7.00, including medication.
Take the time to watch the hearing, it is very compelling.
http://c-s pan.com/Wa tch/Media/ 2009/09/16 /HP/A/2325 1/House%20 Oversight% 20Cmte%20H earing%20o n%20Privat e%20Health %20Insuran ce.aspx”
Take the time to watch the hearing, it is very compelling.
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dayala replied on Sep 18, 2009 at 14:35:50
“thanks for posting the link...sen t it to The Ed Show.”


