“But is that a result of the faith tradition, or a result of empire building in the name of the faith? There has been no empire built at any time in history when the forces taking control over an area or population did not attempt to drastically change the characteristics of the areas and people they conquered. I see no evidence in the Qur'an or in the early history of Islam that argues for imposing the faith on other people. To the contrary, actually.”
sandalwood on Aug 12, 2011 at 19:10:25
“I think that's a contentious distinction you make, or perhaps just hair-splitting. Fact is that only the evangelizing monotheisms have even bothered to try to force convert others, due to a messianic self-image. Other religions (Hinduism, Buddhism) simply do not care about converting. As to early history, have a look at this from the Pakistan Tribune...
From: from: http://tribune.com.pk/story/144205/is-the-west-darul-harb-for-muslims/
"The idea has come from the understanding of Fiqh (the formal legal understanding expressed by the earlier jurists) which basis its opinion on the perception that Islamic faith has come to dominate the entire globe. That understanding is based on a peculiar interpretation of a few Qur’anic verses and the attitude of the ***first-generation Muslims*** who went ahead to present the message of Islam by asking the rulers of non-Muslim populations to accept Islam, forfeit their right to rule in favour of the conquering army, or face them in the battlefield. Those who are promoting the idea are perfectly convinced that their faith requires them to continue to seek to invade the non-Muslim territories, in case they have the requisite military strength."”
“Regarding your comment: I think it's a testament to the author' point that Islam HAS been so versatile *despite* the occasional attempts by "scholars" and "leaders" to use it as a tool for creating a sense of ethnic and cultural superiority.”
sandalwood on Aug 10, 2011 at 14:57:06
“Many historical realities account for the state of things today, including movements from within islam as well as movements which opposed it and hence countered it. Your use of the word "occasional" is debatable. I present this as an evidentiary argument against it…
Thousands of Buddhist monasteries on the Silk Road were destroyed as Islam became dominant in the area, thousands more were destroyed in Northern India and the Swat Valley in present day Pakistan, where the Bamiyan Buddhas (and a whole lot more) were just destroyed by the Sunni-Taliban, who as we know also wish to ban music and dance. For making statues of the Buddha, Buddhists were vilified as "idol worshippers", as were Hindus and their places of worship were destroyed in the tens of thousands.
Also, music was actually banned by the Sufi Mughal emperor Aurengzeb…
"In Hindustan both Moguls and Hindus are very fond of listening to songs and instrumental music. He therefore ordered the same official to stop music. If in any house or elsewhere he heard the sound of singing and instruments, he should forthwith hasten there and arrest as many as he could, breaking the instruments."
Many more examples abound… but I welcome your general statement.”
“Incredible! I was just having a conversation with my co-workers (not 5 minutes ago!) about how much it bothers me that my fellow Muslims always ask why I haven't changed my name. I happen to like my first name. I didn't join a club when I converted to Islam. I'm not changing my identity. I've simply found a better way to live.”
“Thank you, Thank you, THANK YOU for this. The idea that so many of our fellow Muslims--and other innocent people--are starving to death during the month of charity is completely unacceptable. The entire Muslim world should be mobilizing to feed these people right now.”
NeverBendover on Aug 5, 2011 at 15:50:09
“"The entire Muslim world should be mobilizing to feed these people right now"
Why are they not doing that? They did organize to protest cartoons.”
aurora59 on Aug 5, 2011 at 15:32:17
“Indeed, it is not just the Muslim community that should be responsible for these people, but the world. We all have a responsibility to help those who are suffering.”
“I think Glenn was even having a hard time taking HIMSELF seriously in this one. ;-)”
liberal123 on Jul 16, 2010 at 14:17:20
“I think that he is totally disingenuous - he dreams up the most outrageous positions and justifications possible, then rants all the way to the bank. I know that he laughs at the nimrods who follow him”