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Vaccination: A Conversation Worth Having
Commented Nov 16, 2009 at 09:49:42 in Living
“Forget about Swine Flue, the major problem we face is "Restless Leg Syndrome". It must be a big problem, because there are many commercials on television about it, with various medications to protect the public from this latest scourge;)”
TXfemmom replied on Nov 16, 2009 at 10:43:37
“Restless leg is irritating, but I think the government should eliminate all advertising of medications, ESPECIALLY THE ONES FOR ERECTILE DYSFUNCTION.”
Another Divisive Wall
Commented Nov 15, 2009 at 22:16:16 in World
“I just want to say that I appreciate these comments coming from the Queen. It’s a good thing to have monarchs in that part of the world who know what is going on. I think they are the best persons for the job of improving the situation in the region and bringing modernization.”
Media Fail: Kimberly Munley Did Not Bring Down Fort Hood Killer
Commented Nov 12, 2009 at 16:59:36 in Media
“Maybe if the media weren't in such a mad rush to break a story and beat opponents to air/print, everyone could take the time to sort things out and get it right. It's absurd to blame the military for not knowing exactly what happened and who's bullets hit whom shortly after the events. And I don't buy this white/black trumped up controversy either. This is 24 hour news cycle fluff. If the military made any mistake, it was mainly in not telling the media to take a hike, until what occurred could be sorted out.”
2012 Offends Catholics, Dimwits, Ex-Cons
Commented Nov 10, 2009 at 16:12:14 in Entertainment
“Indeed, if the claim is legit in terms of how a proposed destruction scene of an Islamic holy site was considered and pulled, and the reason given for not shooting the scene is also correctly stated, that is the critical point as you mention. It speaks to the issue of Islam getting different treatment and why. I would want to verify the source though.”
2012 Offends Catholics, Dimwits, Ex-Cons
Commented Nov 10, 2009 at 15:55:01 in Entertainment
“Regardless of this current movie silliness, it's still true that large numbers of news agencies did not show certain cartoons. You all know the cartoons to which I refer. What part fear played in the decision process is legitimate discussion. Because given the results when these cartoons were published, you would have to be quite dense not to have some concerns, including for personal safety.
By the way, I am an atheist who is equal opportunity in terms of critique of religious belief. But it is quite odd the tongue lashing Christianity gets sometimes including in these pages compared to Islam. Perhaps because some people don’t know enough about Islam. I was just reading a religious guide to the Hajj, you want to talk about out there. Want to know what to do about a "wet dream” during the Hajj, read a guide, including pages on how to properly throw pebbles. Honestly, read one of the guides and you will wonder how on earth anyone follows this thing.”
By the way, I am an atheist who is equal opportunity in terms of critique of religious belief. But it is quite odd the tongue lashing Christianity gets sometimes including in these pages compared to Islam. Perhaps because some people don’t know enough about Islam. I was just reading a religious guide to the Hajj, you want to talk about out there. Want to know what to do about a "wet dream” during the Hajj, read a guide, including pages on how to properly throw pebbles. Honestly, read one of the guides and you will wonder how on earth anyone follows this thing.”
Many Issues With Tragedy at Ft. Hood -- A "Muslim Problem" not One of Them, FOX News
Commented Nov 07, 2009 at 16:34:09 in Media
“If someone wishes to put her or his religious faith out into this world and have it respected and taken seriously, then yes, that person does indeed need to provide the supporting evidence to prove it. Especially if under the influence of faith, these persons are advocating for, and committing acts in this world, that have consequences for others.”
Many Issues With Tragedy at Ft. Hood -- A "Muslim Problem" not One of Them, FOX News
Commented Nov 07, 2009 at 15:02:42 in Media
“If employing examination of evidence and reason in the decision process labels me an "elitist", then count me as an elitist. You would do well with those on the right, who like to throw that "elitist" accusation around, as they did to President Obama.
And you simply have not thought things out adequately, if you are still trying to make the case that somehow it must be proven categorically that no god exists. Rubbish. I can't prove there are no invisible goblins living in your backyard, does that mean we should all go around acting like there are invisible goblins in your back yard? Perhaps you better go lock your back door, in case those invisible goblins decide to attack, since you can't prove the invisible goblins are not there.
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. It is up to those who claim that gods, devils, angels, demons, persons rising from the dead, parting waters and riding to heaven on winged horses exist and happened. Spare me the demand for respect, if you want respect then lets have the evidence.”
And you simply have not thought things out adequately, if you are still trying to make the case that somehow it must be proven categorically that no god exists. Rubbish. I can't prove there are no invisible goblins living in your backyard, does that mean we should all go around acting like there are invisible goblins in your back yard? Perhaps you better go lock your back door, in case those invisible goblins decide to attack, since you can't prove the invisible goblins are not there.
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. It is up to those who claim that gods, devils, angels, demons, persons rising from the dead, parting waters and riding to heaven on winged horses exist and happened. Spare me the demand for respect, if you want respect then lets have the evidence.”
lemealone replied on Nov 07, 2009 at 15:20:24
“I think faith is the difference between science and religion. If you don't have it, you don't have it and no one needs to prove it.”
Many Issues With Tragedy at Ft. Hood -- A "Muslim Problem" not One of Them, FOX News
Commented Nov 07, 2009 at 10:56:54 in Media
“People are motivated to lesser or greater extent by their religious beliefs. If it turns out this guy was motivated by his religious beliefs to engage in the shooting, then we should certainly discuss and critique the part that religion may have played in this tragedy. Unfortunately, religious belief often enjoys a protected status, sheltered from evaluation based on reason and evidence that would be fair game for any other subject.
Religion propagates due to this protected status, where it is considered impolite and disrespectful to criticize, and is also helped along greatly by widespread childhood indoctrination. In this way, all manner of outlandish and unsupported claims about various gods, demons, angels, and other supernatural players, along with supposed directions from these supernatural players, are accepted and allowed to stand without adequate critique. Fortunately, atheists are increasingly stepping up with much overdue critique of religion, and will continue to do so where warranted, regardless of protestations from right or left religious apologists.”
Religion propagates due to this protected status, where it is considered impolite and disrespectful to criticize, and is also helped along greatly by widespread childhood indoctrination. In this way, all manner of outlandish and unsupported claims about various gods, demons, angels, and other supernatural players, along with supposed directions from these supernatural players, are accepted and allowed to stand without adequate critique. Fortunately, atheists are increasingly stepping up with much overdue critique of religion, and will continue to do so where warranted, regardless of protestations from right or left religious apologists.”
kmsbears replied on Nov 07, 2009 at 14:18:27
“I'm not muslim. When I read your post, it reminded me of how elitist the "progressive" agenda truly is. There are over one billion practicing Muslims. Are all of them superstitious idiots? The shooter in this case had a science background, medical and post-doctoral education. And yet he was a believer. I was a science major undergrad and specialty trained doctor. I've never met one scientist who could state categorically that there "is no God." They don't have a clue, if they are honest. It's like the measurement of dark matter in the universe. All their math tells them it's there, but they can't prove that it's there. Does that mean that dark matter doesn't exist? No. Likewise, the Heisenberg uncertainty principle can never be truly proved, yet it is universally accepted in the world of quantum physics. Similarly, the question of the existence of a supreme being is not proveable and merits more respect than your tawdry dismissal.”
Eating Animals: Jonathan Safran Foer's New Book Asks Why Don't We Eat Pets?
Commented Oct 29, 2009 at 15:20:50 in Books
“People have done a lot of stupid and cruel things over time. So what? Doesn't mean we need to keep doing these stupid and cruel things, especially in greater volume. "Do it because we've always done it that way" is perhaps the lamest and intellectually vacant reason there is for doing something.”
NathaninSeattle replied on Oct 29, 2009 at 16:31:38
“Cosigned! I think people like this exist in an intellectual and moral vacuum. Since when has the 'people did it throughout history so it must be right' argument actually hold any water?”
The Future of Music
Commented Oct 29, 2009 at 15:02:01 in Entertainment
“On the other hand, the odds of having a rep sign you or your band were fairly slim. Now the musician can make and distribute music through internet channels. And the musician doesn't need to sell a CD for 15 bucks with corporate taking money off the top, the musician can sell for much less but in higher volume. I will grant you, the changes due to the internet are not all roses for all musicians, some may suffer more while others gain. That happens in a paradigm shift, especially to the stodgy old corporate business model. As an amature musician, I had a snowballs chance in h*ll getting signed the traditional way to distribute music, but many of us now have a method (internet) of distribution. As you mentioned, live shows exist same as before the internet, and often that is still the way to make some cash if you want to live as a musician. Definitely the internet is a great place for people who simply want to make music for it's own sake and distribute the music.”
Pro-Life Pretense
Commented Oct 24, 2009 at 23:17:18 in Politics
“And yet plenty of so called "pro-choice" supporters, depending on when during your pregnancy you may have wished to abort, would have supported forcing you to remain pregnant. It would not be your choice to make. How would you feel about that? If a person is not supporting your choice of whether or not to remain pregnant, is that person "pro-choice"?”
Pro-Life Pretense
Commented Oct 24, 2009 at 23:10:41 in Politics
“Defining parameters? If you have "defining parameters" which do not support a woman's right to choose whether or not to be pregnant, then you are not pro-choice. You are forcing a woman to be pregnant. I think the mistake is on your part, because forcing a woman to be pregnant is not "pro-choice".”
Pro-Life Pretense
Commented Oct 23, 2009 at 11:42:01 in Politics
“And I wish people would stop using the term "pro-choice" when they are not really pro-choice. Every time there is a story around here about some woman having her umpteenth abortion, or stories about abortions of only females, or abortions that take place later in the pregnancy, many so called pro-choice people suddenly start getting upset, declaring the procedure immoral, and begin talking about rules and regulations to prevent the actions. Not to mention, all the so called "pro-choice" people who suddenly become anti-choice at a certain point during the pregnancy, which they can't even agree on half the time: viability, brain activity, awareness of self, feeling of pain, etc. They are pro-choice, except when they are not pro-choice. If it really is about a woman's right to choose whether or not to be pregnant, then pro-choice is abortion for any reason anytime during the nine months of pregnancy. The numbers of "pro-choice" people who do not subscribe to this choice shows the vacuity of their positions and naming convention. There are plenty of poorly thought out positions on both sides of this issue. Hopefully Obama will work to bring some reason to the situation.”
boulddenwyldde replied on Oct 23, 2009 at 14:16:25
“The Roe v. Wade case pivoted on the point of "fetal viability." It was all about privacy and individual rights in the face of state prohibitions on a woman's personal medical decisions. In the reasoning of the court, the fetus, or unborn child, did not attain any rights to be concerned with until able to survive outside the womb. In 1973, that was about two-thirds of the way through pregnancy, and so we got a legal construction of "trimesters," which doesn't really correspond to the way pregnancy actually unfolds.
It might be worth noting that while the political debate and the social discussion has been trapped in amber for the last 36 years, medical science has been marching on. Preemies today can survive when they would have died in years gone by.
At some point, we're going to have to reconsider the factual basis of the Roe case. And if we want to continue to maintain a woman's right to choose, we're going to have to do it with a different rationale, because the facts have changed.”
It might be worth noting that while the political debate and the social discussion has been trapped in amber for the last 36 years, medical science has been marching on. Preemies today can survive when they would have died in years gone by.
At some point, we're going to have to reconsider the factual basis of the Roe case. And if we want to continue to maintain a woman's right to choose, we're going to have to do it with a different rationale, because the facts have changed.”
lauraj40026 replied on Oct 23, 2009 at 12:59:09
“i THINK there should be a time limit to where a healthy woman can abort a healthy fetus.For those who don't let me ask you this,what if in a late term and I mean very late the child is born alive,and what if a woman is told her child does not have Downs,but when it's born,it does,what theb?”
LaurenJill replied on Oct 23, 2009 at 12:46:28
“I'm prochoice and CHOSE to bring my unplanned pregnancy to term. I had no money, no insurance....so it wasn't an easy choice. BUT IT WAS MINE TO MAKE.”
HPdevotee replied on Oct 23, 2009 at 12:18:04
“You are mistaken..it is exactly this ability of the pro-choicers to tackle the tough defining parameters concerning abortion that makes them 'pro-choice' and not 'pro-abortion' as some would like to charge.
On the other hand, it is the lack of this quality that the anti-choicers are so defined by...for them it is all black and white, making their stance untenable as evidenced in the real world. And one that will not be achieved but will by its very nature cause more harm.”
On the other hand, it is the lack of this quality that the anti-choicers are so defined by...for them it is all black and white, making their stance untenable as evidenced in the real world. And one that will not be achieved but will by its very nature cause more harm.”
Americans Are Still Delusional About House Prices
Commented Oct 12, 2009 at 17:05:59 in Business
“Good point. One can still end up with "low life" neighbors even after purchasing a house, and then it can be a lot harder to sell than to leave a rental. But at least for us, the low lifes are no longer living directly underneath our floor:)”
Americans Are Still Delusional About House Prices
Commented Oct 12, 2009 at 16:39:40 in Business
“Owning a house is not the investment many people believe it to be, because owners often do not take into account the true costs of ownership. Firstly, everyone thinks they are going to get a killer deal on the purchase, and that prices will go way up by the time they sell. As we have seen, that is not always the case. Then you have property taxes, loan interest, maintenance and repairs, etc. These costs add up and eat into any profit. And of course, realtors do a good business because people use them, and the fees can be a lot off the top of anything made on the sale. Some people are actually better off renting. The reason I own a house actually is not because of any great investment, but because we were living in an apartment rental with some persons living below who were arguing every night with TV blaring, calling each other foul and perfectly applicable names, and after dealings with the rental agency, just got tired of the hassles. So we bought a house, and now can relax more and have bit of yard for the kids, and a garage to work on cars. It's the living and utility of the place where I see the benefit, but the investment in terms of cash return is just not there in the amount many people believe.”
Egghead replied on Oct 12, 2009 at 17:43:45
“Hah. I bought for a similar reason--two, in fact. One, I had loud neighbors--the final straw was one slammed his entire body up against the party wall.
And the other: my apartment was right on the corner of a street where a through street became a residential neighborhood--a neighborhood with several senior communities and an elementary school. All night long, I heard people roar up and slam on the brakes, over and over. It was a four-way stop, and it was ignored more often than not. One lady plowed into the stop sign and the street sign actually crashed into the tiny patio behind my apartment, missing the sliding doors by inches. I had enough on the day a truck blew through the intersection and hit a little old guy in a golf cart. He died.
Before I bought my house and moved, I wrote a scathing letter to City Hall about the traffic. We now have some traffic regulation there. Too bad someone had to die before something got done about it.
So no matter how upside down the condo is or how much work it is, it's still way better than where I was, or what any rental would be around here.”
And the other: my apartment was right on the corner of a street where a through street became a residential neighborhood--a neighborhood with several senior communities and an elementary school. All night long, I heard people roar up and slam on the brakes, over and over. It was a four-way stop, and it was ignored more often than not. One lady plowed into the stop sign and the street sign actually crashed into the tiny patio behind my apartment, missing the sliding doors by inches. I had enough on the day a truck blew through the intersection and hit a little old guy in a golf cart. He died.
Before I bought my house and moved, I wrote a scathing letter to City Hall about the traffic. We now have some traffic regulation there. Too bad someone had to die before something got done about it.
So no matter how upside down the condo is or how much work it is, it's still way better than where I was, or what any rental would be around here.”
kkuchenb replied on Oct 12, 2009 at 16:46:28
“Jeez. I own my co-op and I still hear my neighbors. Sigh.”
Americans Are Still Delusional About House Prices
Commented Oct 12, 2009 at 15:33:18 in Business
“Well, depending on the time and place, buying and selling houses can be quite profitable. It's similar to stocks, buy low and sell high at the right time, and you can make considerable cash. But similar to stocks, the return is not guaranteed. Where some people messed up was buying high, and thinking the market was guaranteed to go up. That combination resulted in some people making poor choices.
But definitely I agree that people who are not strategically flipping houses to turn a profit, but instead are living in their house and expecting a windfall, are sometimes not looking at reality. Between the loan interest, insurances, upkeep, property taxes and other misc costs, home ownership is not the investment so many people think it to be. People can be irrational, and look only at purchase vs. sold price, and overinflate the mortgage interest deduction benefit, while not realizing the true cost getting from purchase to sale. Try one plumbing problem where your front lawn has to be dug up and new pipe laid, and you are out 5000 dollars or more, and then see what it does to your investment calculation. They do not call a house a money pit for nothing:)”
But definitely I agree that people who are not strategically flipping houses to turn a profit, but instead are living in their house and expecting a windfall, are sometimes not looking at reality. Between the loan interest, insurances, upkeep, property taxes and other misc costs, home ownership is not the investment so many people think it to be. People can be irrational, and look only at purchase vs. sold price, and overinflate the mortgage interest deduction benefit, while not realizing the true cost getting from purchase to sale. Try one plumbing problem where your front lawn has to be dug up and new pipe laid, and you are out 5000 dollars or more, and then see what it does to your investment calculation. They do not call a house a money pit for nothing:)”
Barack Obama, Nobel Peace Laureate: Whatever Happened to Awarding for Deeds Actually Done?
Commented Oct 09, 2009 at 11:38:38 in World
“Whatever. Some of us are interesting in results. Hopefully four years from now, we have the results to support this award. Maybe at least we can both agree on that.”
BeFairNow replied on Oct 09, 2009 at 13:23:36
“Yes we can agree on that. Hang in there Truthosaurus, hopefully we will. Doesn't being hopeful feel good though? :-)”
Barack Obama, Nobel Peace Laureate: Whatever Happened to Awarding for Deeds Actually Done?
Commented Oct 09, 2009 at 11:34:00 in World
“I sure hope this wasn't an award based on an obsession with a guy who isn't even in office anymore. If so, then Bush must be chuckling about all the fuss over at "the ranch".”
Barack Obama, Nobel Peace Laureate: Whatever Happened to Awarding for Deeds Actually Done?
Commented Oct 09, 2009 at 10:42:43 in World
“Talk is cheap. Lets see all this change you talk about in reality.”
BeFairNow replied on Oct 09, 2009 at 11:21:30
“There are none so blind as those who will not see.”
InYourFaceRadio replied on Oct 09, 2009 at 11:02:17
“One small slap for George ... one giant step for peace! Already a nice change!!”
Barack Obama, Nobel Peace Laureate: Whatever Happened to Awarding for Deeds Actually Done?
Commented Oct 09, 2009 at 10:31:23 in World
“They thought the vote was to give Chicago the 2016 Olympics:)”
Barack Obama, Nobel Peace Laureate: Whatever Happened to Awarding for Deeds Actually Done?
Commented Oct 09, 2009 at 10:09:04 in World
“If someone attacks you personally instead of addressing the subject matter, it just shows that person does not have the goods either intellectually or in terms of the facts to refute your comment. Even though I voted for Obama, support him on a number of issues, and have been a vocal advocate for single payer health care, it never fails when I even remotely disagree with the Obama administration on something, I get some commenter calling me a Repub or right winger or some such nonsense. People can be silly at times when emotions are involved, not much you can do about it.”
GrainOSand replied on Oct 09, 2009 at 10:34:28
“"People can be silly at times when emotions are involved, not much you can do about it."
Accept it; conviction never flinches. I cannot get with the clique thing that says any criticism of the president is not warranted or allowed. I never want to be in that club. I love him as a brother, but then, I loved Bush that way also, as I love all human beings. The difference between my satisfaction with one versus the other as a leader concerns approach and espoused ideas. The president is far from perfect and he says so himself, he stated clearly he knows he will make mistakes.
President Obama is as a revitalizing exhale to President Bush's tendency to make for pained gasps and a sick feeling in the pit of ones stomach. However, the current president has engaged in certain practices I do not agree with, namely compromise with cretins and alignment with and advice from some of the usual suspects. I give the man plenty of latitude to play his strategic hand, however, his tactics sometimes dishearten. There can be no emotional investment in what government does or does not do (for me). That is a prescription for letdown. I voted for and supported a president. I do not do popularity contests, or Harlequin Romance novels; that's so high school, so non-contextual to a consideration and impact assessment concerning one who presumes to lead masses of human life.”
Accept it; conviction never flinches. I cannot get with the clique thing that says any criticism of the president is not warranted or allowed. I never want to be in that club. I love him as a brother, but then, I loved Bush that way also, as I love all human beings. The difference between my satisfaction with one versus the other as a leader concerns approach and espoused ideas. The president is far from perfect and he says so himself, he stated clearly he knows he will make mistakes.
President Obama is as a revitalizing exhale to President Bush's tendency to make for pained gasps and a sick feeling in the pit of ones stomach. However, the current president has engaged in certain practices I do not agree with, namely compromise with cretins and alignment with and advice from some of the usual suspects. I give the man plenty of latitude to play his strategic hand, however, his tactics sometimes dishearten. There can be no emotional investment in what government does or does not do (for me). That is a prescription for letdown. I voted for and supported a president. I do not do popularity contests, or Harlequin Romance novels; that's so high school, so non-contextual to a consideration and impact assessment concerning one who presumes to lead masses of human life.”
How Richard Dawkins Communicates Evolution (Surprise, It's Not the Same Thing as Atheism)
Commented Oct 08, 2009 at 01:02:04 in Politics
“Circular? We have a mechanism (evolution) where things exist without need of an intelligent designer to have created them. This shows that your reasoning, based on only seeing things around you that were created by intelligence, is based on a faulty supposition. To wit - try getting out more;)
Looking at your other comment: "Just because it has not been verified does not mean that it does not exist." Ok, well just because the Flying Spaghetti Monster has not been verified does not mean it does not exist. I guess we should all believe in the Flying Spaghetti Monster then;) Same thing for that elf that is currently hanging out behind your ear:)”
Looking at your other comment: "Just because it has not been verified does not mean that it does not exist." Ok, well just because the Flying Spaghetti Monster has not been verified does not mean it does not exist. I guess we should all believe in the Flying Spaghetti Monster then;) Same thing for that elf that is currently hanging out behind your ear:)”
Mach8 replied on Oct 08, 2009 at 02:31:40
“I responded earlier but for whatever reason it was scrubbed...
"Circular? We have a mechanism (evolution) where things exist without need of an intelligent designer to have created them. This shows that your reasoning, based on only seeing things around you that were created by intelligence, is based on a faulty supposition. To wit - try getting out more;)"
So because a system is automatic that means it was not created?
Here's an example of an autonomous system that is created by an intelligent being that operates randomly but creates order from its actions...
Children.
And I could provide quite a few more examples but I've made my point.
As for your second comment...
Wit - try getting some more ;)”
"Circular? We have a mechanism (evolution) where things exist without need of an intelligent designer to have created them. This shows that your reasoning, based on only seeing things around you that were created by intelligence, is based on a faulty supposition. To wit - try getting out more;)"
So because a system is automatic that means it was not created?
Here's an example of an autonomous system that is created by an intelligent being that operates randomly but creates order from its actions...
Children.
And I could provide quite a few more examples but I've made my point.
As for your second comment...
Wit - try getting some more ;)”
Mach8 replied on Oct 08, 2009 at 01:17:29
“So something that is automatic is proof that it has not been created?
"We have a mechanism (evolution) where things exist without need of an intelligent designer to have created them."
We create children who reach a point in which we are not even needed to guide them. We don't have to maintain them, they eventually maintain themselves. This is just one example of an intelligent being creating an autonomous system. Why is it so difficult for you to comprehend?
Your second comment contained no value.”
"We have a mechanism (evolution) where things exist without need of an intelligent designer to have created them."
We create children who reach a point in which we are not even needed to guide them. We don't have to maintain them, they eventually maintain themselves. This is just one example of an intelligent being creating an autonomous system. Why is it so difficult for you to comprehend?
Your second comment contained no value.”
How Richard Dawkins Communicates Evolution (Surprise, It's Not the Same Thing as Atheism)
Commented Oct 08, 2009 at 00:17:03 in Politics
“It should be obvious to everyone that the universe could not possibly have been created by Gary the pink unicorn, given that it was created by the Flying Spaghetti Monster;)”
How Richard Dawkins Communicates Evolution (Surprise, It's Not the Same Thing as Atheism)
Commented Oct 08, 2009 at 00:11:39 in Politics
“You are misinformed. It is religious people who regularly make claims which they have no business making, claims about the existence of various gods who have acted and continue to act in this world, which are not supported by a shred of credible evidence. In contrast, the atheist does not claim that a god categorically does not exist. The atheist simply points out that since there is no credible evidence to support that a god or gods exist, there is no reason to believe in them. (If you have the credible evidence, please provide it.) “Agnostic” is a cop out. You either have a belief in gods, or you do not. If you do not know if you believe, then you lack belief. You are an atheist. Also regarding the "new militancy" of atheism, if insisting on evidence to support claims is “militancy”, count me in the army. The use of evidence to arrive at a conclusion, what a concept;)”
How Richard Dawkins Communicates Evolution (Surprise, It's Not the Same Thing as Atheism)
Commented Oct 07, 2009 at 23:54:31 in Politics
“Yep, many religious people believe specific things about various gods, and how the gods have acted and continue to act in this world, but retreat into generalities when they realize their beliefs cannot be supported in these type of discussions.”
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