“Slightly better? Do you even know what's happening to Palestinian Arabs in Syria? Or the Copts in Egypt? Do you know what happens to gays and women and all countries in the Middle East with the exception of Israel? Arabs freely roam our streets and serve in our parliament. No Jew could ever hope to have those sorts of freedoms in Arab countries.”
“Actually, Israel has made many sacrifices for the sake of peace, including throwing 8,000 Jews out of their homes in Gaza. In return, we have a state run by Hamas that has sent thousands of missiles into Southern Israel, where a million Israeli civilians live. That's just one step we took. We also froze settlement building for 10 months in spite of an agreement that there would be no preconditioned leveled on Israel in advance of negotiations. Still, Abbas refused to come to the table and talk peace.
The problem isn't that Israel doesn't want peace. The problem is that 22 Arab states don't want a sliver of land in the Middle East to be inhabited by Jews. Arabs hate Jews. If the problem was a land problem, they could have easily absorbed their brethren as Israel absorbed the Jewish refugees from Arab countries in 1948.”
“Sandy bridge. Formerly called Gesher (whoops, there's that Hebrew word). If you don't want to see it, no facts can open your eyes. It works the same way as academic boycotts which close the door on resolution.”
PhilosopherJon on May 13, 2013 at 09:37:21
“No, you have not provided a link that establishes that the micro-architecture was indeed borne of Israeli ingenuity, as opposed to the ingenuity of other entities within Intel who are not Israeli; that is, you have not provided evidence that the idea wasn't thought up by some californian, moved about the Intel company, and was produced at the Israeli Intel site. A single fact, perhaps the Israeli identity of those who came up with the idea for the tech, would clear this up easily. The thing about published literature is that it shows who did what and when they did it; don't you see that you have yet to validate your claims in any concrete way? I'm not blind, I'm critical of you telling me something that is obviously seated in a bias toward Israel, and without supporting evidence. ”
“Again, the i7 is based on Sandy Bridge, formerly "Gesher" (oops, there's that Hebrew word, again) microarchitecture.”
Bob Metcalfe on May 14, 2013 at 14:36:06
“Further to that, if you bother checking, you will find that much of the rocket technology used in Israel was given to you by the United States as an intermediary between Israel and Werner Von Braun. A familiar name? One of the heavy machine guns used by the Israeli Army is 'based on' the MG 42. If you bothered to research that you'll find out where it was developed. Jet engines? German, with American intermediaries of course because they bribed a whole lot of German scientists to go to the states and research for them. Unimog trucks – German, though of course not from the 1940s. Dolphin submarines, German. Glock pistols – Austrian – now that's a name to conjure with. Heckler & Koch pistols – German.”
Bob Metcalfe on May 13, 2013 at 19:55:22
“I seem to be having some trouble getting posted but here goes. Israel saves the lives of its people by using technology based on not just German but actual na - zi technology. So Hawking's almost exactly as hypocitical as them :-).”
“Immaterial. It's not about a factory that spits out bits and pieces. It's the research and design that are UNQUESTIONABLY Israeli. Without Israel, Hawking would be stuck inside himself, unable to communicate. Either you're willing to see the truth or you prefer to obscure it from the world.”
“Clearly you didn't read about the Israeli research and development that went into that chip without which it would not exist. You've made a decision without any willingness to review the facts. Too bad.”
Annoula on May 12, 2013 at 11:52:27
“Clearly, you chose to ignore Mike's posts where in which he disputes all your claims. And he clearly has first hand knowledge of the facts and much more technical expertise. Too bad.”
“You're missing the point. He's not boycotting the U.S. He's boycotting Israel. This is not a who came first issue but a who has input issue. Without Israeli ingenuity, he would not have the ability to communicate.”
Annoula on May 12, 2013 at 04:45:32
“It looks like YOU are missing the point.
There was no Israeli "ingenuity" going into that chip.
Simply "Israeli manufacturing" of something developed in the US.
And since Prof. Hawking paid for that product, he owes Israel NOTHING.
Furthermore, Intel has plants in many places so. in all likelihood, that chip might have come from a different country.
Finally, your mere attempt to demand that a disabled person stops using item he has purchased [and which may or may not have been made in Israel] simply because he decided not to attend a conference speaks volumes about your compassion and ethics.
And then you guys keep wondering why so many people joined the boycott??”
“We are talking about the architecture here. This is a product that would not exist without Israeli research and technology. His choice is to boycott Israel. This is a product born of Israeli ingenuity.”
Phillip Pasmanick on May 13, 2013 at 07:29:03
It's simply a matter of integrity....acknowledging the source of the original.
Let him boycott, but, engage honestly. Not simply for social impact, as he selfishly exploits Israel's concepts for personal gain.”
PhilosopherJon on May 12, 2013 at 10:03:54
“Now there's a claim not evidenced by all the links you have given.”
“No one claimed OWNERSHIP. Ownership is not the point. Without Israeli input, Hawking would not be able to speak. A boycott is a boycott. Let him not be a hypocrite. As for Arabs inventing Algebra and other branches of science and math, 1) They didn't. 2) The Israelis aren't engaging in boycotts. The Israelis want to sit down and talk and work things out.”
Tony Andrews on May 12, 2013 at 21:24:01
“2) So Israel does not boycott Iran - or anywhere else?
I am curious, because I am sure that it does, and am equally sure that is not its only boycott. A Google search does not reveal a single one - even Iran. Perhaps the Israeli. well publicised, flooding of the internet has pushed "which countries does Israel boycott" beyond my patience and a search of 10 Google pages
“I posted part of the answer I received from Shurat Hadin, but the comment exceeded the word count allowed for a comment. Here is the rest of the reply: "BTW, the technology for which that Sandy Bridge is also derived from
previous Intel Israel developments. The first generation mobile chip
in the timeline is called “Core Solo.” It was code-named Yonah and
released in Jan 2006. That chip was based in turn on an
Israeli-developed core chips called Banias/Dothan, and makes up the
Pentium M microarchitecture.
The “Core 2 Duo” came after, and was codenamed “Merom” (July 2006).
So what we are saying is the micro-architecture, and knowledge, for
which Hawking’s chip was developed by Intel Israel. His chip is based
on Intel-Israel’s processor microarchitecture and knowhow. Intel
Israel’s center is in that chip.
To give another example – take the Boeing 777 aircraft. It has
technology from the Boeing 737. It is a successor to the latter, and
without it the former could never have been achieved. In this case,
both of these aircraft, when we replace them with Intel chips, are
This new Israeli-developed [technology] also made it possible to place these
Intel chips in tablets, which is what Hawking has as well.”
Mike Kozalski on May 10, 2013 at 16:09:09
“For the last time, Ms. Epstein, all the SOC (System-on-a-Chip) products designed by Intel Israel, like Merom, Dothan etc. are based on the Pentium III, or P6 core, designed right here in the US. The Graphics core that Sandybridge has, was designed in Folsom, CA, and the P6 core in CA and OR. Without the P6 and Graphics cores, there would be no Merom/Dothan/Sandybridge. Intel's Israel group (not Israel's Intel BTW) just stiches these actual computing cores together. Intel designs it's latest cuttting-edge technologies exclusively in the US, like the Atom, the first new microprocessor core for Intel since it's old x86's, which was designed in Austin, Texas. Do you get it? The day Israeli Engineers can design a Microprocessor without technology from the US, I'll give you license to crow about it. Can you please let those esteemed lawyers in Israel know these basic facts?”
PhilosopherJon on May 10, 2013 at 15:51:21
“So if a product from an American company is produced in Israel, that makes it Israeli technology? Would you consider wearing Walmart pants hypocritical for someone boycotting a county that happens to have a Walmart factory?”
It doesn't matter if he paid for the chip or not (and I'm not sure he paid for it or whether it was a gift). The point is a boycott by definition is to abstain from using goods or services associated with the entity being boycotted. The chip that allows him to communicate was produced by Israel.”
PhilosopherJon on May 9, 2013 at 16:37:56
“Are you sure that boycotts necessarily mean absolutely no use of a product? After all, once the product is already bought, ridding yourself of it does not affect anyone but yourself, whereas abstaining from FURTHER acquisition of products would not unnecessarily impact yourself, and still result in the desired consequences of a boycott.”
“Which doesn't make it right. There are many Israelis who believe that Palestinians have it better in Israel than they do in the rest of the Middle East, and you know what? The Palestinians agree.
" . . .the rate of Arab Israelis who believe that Israel is better than most other countries (77%)
is among the highest in the developed world with regards to this measure.
Notably, the number of Arabs who are proud of the welfare system (53%) is
three times higher than that among Jews (17%)."”
Calamity Jack on May 9, 2013 at 12:37:20
“Ah yes... the classic damning Israel with the faint praise of being slightly better than neighboring autocratic states.”