“Energy inefficiency? We have many more inefficiencies than energy. The source of our problem is the "American way" or "American Exceptional-ism". We have unions, labor laws, civil rights and morals. This country is built on providing every American with the opportunity of the American dream. That in itself breeds inefficiency in comparison to countries that do not maintain those standards. Renewable energy will not solve those problems. It will only make energy more expensive, which will in turn make American made more expensive, thus leaving a wider gap between our products (what is left of them) and imports. Thrusting us further into consumerism, and perpetuating the same events that led us to the recent stock market crash.
50% of this nations power is from coal. Less than 10% from renewable resources. Explain to me what your assumed plan is to make that jump from less than 10% to over 50% in a reasonable time frame that would leave the conversion relatively economical in the long run? If the American people were shown the truth, right along with the price tag, this wouldn't even be negotiable. "Green" sounds very pretty, but with the right words, just about anything sounds good - it worked for Hitler.”
“the $$ DOES stop us from going green. You don't want to know what the price tags are for CO2 capture technology in its beginning stages. Proven APC technology alone is not CHEAP. SOMEONE has to pay for it. So why not instead of paying for pointless tv ads - that half the people in this country really don't understand - why don't they start flipping the tab for air pollution control projects across the country. 50% of this nation's power comes from coal. That doesn't change overnight. Another 20% comes from nuclear. Do you know how much comes from renewable sources? LESS THAN 10%! You can't abandon the industry that outright supports this nation. Just like you can't just abandon oil. It's infused in our way of life. To uproot these industries would devastate what's left of our economy. Green energy is economical at this stage.”
“We're working to capture CO2 economically and efficiently - so we don't put the US out of business in the process. We are developing technology. There is a fight for survival right now. We are competing with countries that just don't give a dang about our health and future.
We DO remove Mercury. TMT15. Look it up. We're bringing it online in several power plants across the country. This is new technology. You can't snap your fingers and have change. It's a process. We need to find ways to advance industry with minimal impact on the environment - I agree. But we can't do it at the expense of putting every American based company out of business because they cannot compete with places like China and the bargain basement prices they are shoving down American's throats. Get rid of NAFTA. Get America back to it's roots. American built, American made. WE CAN SAVE THIS COUNTRY.”
hp blogger A. Siegel on Dec 11, 2008 at 16:27:05
“"expense of putting every American based company out of business because they cannot compete with places like China" Right now, America is, writ large, highly inefficient in its use of energy. The #1 investment in terms of ROI that almost every American and American business and local government and the Federal Government is in the realms of energy and other resource efficiencies. Study after study, practical experience after practical experience shows high ROI for pursuing energy efficiency.
No, change doesn't occur overnight.
And, well, will it be less expensive (including "external" costs) to use renewables (or nuclear power) or coal with some form of CCS process 20 years from now? What will be the most "cost" effective approach?”
“Coal keeps this country going. And there IS clean coal. A decade ago liberals like you were SHOUTING about how acid rain was going to DESTROY THE EARTH. Guess what? Haven't heard that song. WHY you ask? Because people like ME are building flue gas desulfurization systems that pull that SO2 out of the flue gas and then use it to create GYPSUM WALLBOARD that probably BUILT YOUR HOUSE. The only way you'll be happy is if we all cease to exist. Why don't you go figure out how to make China comply with our EPA standards, because as of now, they are the ones poisoning the air you breathe and they don't answer for it. They don't regulate it. They can do things MUCH cheaper than we can do here in the US and you know how? Because of places like WALMART. You want to start a cause, how about boycotting CHINESE PRODUCTS and start buying American.”
hp blogger A. Siegel on Dec 11, 2008 at 10:26:31
“"There is clean coal ..." There is a moving target. Absolutely agree that coal is cleaner today than 30 years ago, with significant reductions in Acid Rain due to the Clean Air act (which was fought, tooth and nail, by the industry as going to wipe out the ability to provide affordable electrical power to the nation). Thank you (and those you work with) for programs / technologies that are working to make coal less dirty.
But ... what about particulates and asthma? What about mercury? What about ... And, what about CO2 (and its implications for global warming and acidification of the oceans)?
But, "clean coal" is now referring, writ large, to the ability to control emissions that relate to Global Warming. Are you telling me that exists?
RE PRC: agree that we've exported manufacturing to places that, among other things, have even laxer environmental standards and thus there is a double-hit when it comes to GHG: not just the less efficient (higher polluting) production processes but the additional burning of oil to move things long distances.”