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The Burger Recipes You Want And Need

The Burger Recipes You Want And Need

Commented Jul 15, 2014 at 10:09:06 in Taste

“Don't over top the burger, there should be more meat than toppings. Don't over power the meat. The meat should be in first place and all the flavors need to work together.”
Suicide Is Leading Cause Of Gun Deaths, But Largely Absent In Debate On Gun Violence

Suicide Is Leading Cause Of Gun Deaths, But Largely Absent In Debate On Gun Violence

Commented Jun 6, 2014 at 08:24:21 in Politics

“Left out of the discussion is that the US suicide rate is nothing special, even when compared to "civilized" European countries. So a case can be made that guns are not the problem when it comes to suicide.”
Congressman Gets Mad After Finding Out Americans Are Less Charitable Than He Thought

Congressman Gets Mad After Finding Out Americans Are Less Charitable Than He Thought

Commented Jun 2, 2014 at 13:50:57 in Politics

https://www.cafonline.org/images/CAF_WGI_Infographic.png the same info graphic that lists the US at #11 (there were ties) lists the US at #1 on the World Giving index. So pretty much depending on how you want to parse it, they are both right.”

Gepids on Jun 2, 2014 at 14:04:14

“The United States’ return to the top of the World Giving Index is due mainly to the fact that helping a stranger is more commonplace here than in any other country in the world – when asked, 77% of Americans said they helped somebody they didn’t know, up from 71% in 2011. The United States ranks third globally in terms of volunteering, and 13th in terms of donating money. http://www.cafamerica.org/wgi-2013/

Since the representative was proposing a tax credit on giving, and made the statement about contributions... how about we go with the 13% figure. That figure is related to the representatives comments.”
If Obama Is Actually Coming For Your Guns, He's Really Terrible At It

If Obama Is Actually Coming For Your Guns, He's Really Terrible At It

Commented Jun 1, 2014 at 16:46:17 in Politics

“That is news to me! Why have I never been sent an "Uncle Sam Wants You" notice?

The militia has not been called up in quite some time.

When did Congress say the citizenry should be self-armed with any weapons they might want? You think our government intends us to be Somalia?

They didn't but also in federal law you can see codified what weapons can be purchased (as modified by state law).

And I think you are making a wrong extrapolation from the Militia that the Constitution was describing. It was based on current military technology and peoples' need for such armaments for other reasons than war.
So are today's weapons with the exception that anything that is full auto is very very heavily regulated.

I still think an "unorganized militia" is a contradiction in terms so that nothing true can come from starting with it as a false premise.
You may see it that way, but it is current federal law and has been for quite some time.

Thanks for the conversation. I like to know where the "other" side is coming from.

no probs.”
If Obama Is Actually Coming For Your Guns, He's Really Terrible At It

If Obama Is Actually Coming For Your Guns, He's Really Terrible At It

Commented Jun 1, 2014 at 14:17:42 in Politics

“"Article One, Section 8 gives Congress the power:
To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the Militia, and for governing such Part of them as may be employed in the Service of the United States, reserving to the States respectively, the Appointment of the Officers, and the Authority of training the Militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress"

And congress has determined that we will have the National Guard, Naval reserve and the self armed general citizenry.”

cvcrook307 on Jun 1, 2014 at 16:04:03

“That is news to me! Why have I never been sent an "Uncle Sam Wants You" notice?
When did Congress say the citizenry should be self-armed with any weapons they might want? You think our government intends us to be Somalia?

I suppose the apocryphal story about Ben Franklin's reply when asked what kind of government had been devised should be: "Well you know we set up the structure of a government but we don't have very much confidence in it so we made sure that there would be a bunch of armed bands ready to overthrow it." :) I just don't think that they would go to the trouble of setting up the union with a provision for anarchy.

And I think you are making a wrong extrapolation from the Militia that the Constitution was describing. It was based on current military technology and peoples' need for such armaments for other reasons than war.

Washington had constant trouble during the war with states not sending troops or providing money for them He also had trouble with his citizen soldiers wanting to take their weapons and go back home to plant their crops. These must be reasons that Congress and the President were given the powers they have.

I still think an "unorganized militia" is a contradiction in terms so that nothing true can come from starting with it as a false premise.

Thanks for the conversation. I like to know where the "other" side is coming from.”
Medicare Can Pay For Transgender Recipients' Gender Confirmation Surgeries: Feds

Medicare Can Pay For Transgender Recipients' Gender Confirmation Surgeries: Feds

Commented Jun 1, 2014 at 12:43:13 in Business

“Melatonin conversion disorder? Get a doctor to say it's medically necessary and then sue, you'd probably get it.”
If Obama Is Actually Coming For Your Guns, He's Really Terrible At It

If Obama Is Actually Coming For Your Guns, He's Really Terrible At It

Commented Jun 1, 2014 at 06:45:21 in Politics

“The unorganized militia consists of civilians who can be called up to service by the Gov;t. These civilians are expected to bring their arms and basic equipment, think camping plus gun. Who is part of this pool of citizens? All the citizens. Attendance is voluntary in the militia. It's not an idealized concept as it's codified in federal law. We know that the second amendment is tied to the militia though not dependent on active service. Since the entire citizenry is the militia, the second amendment applies to all.”

cvcrook307 on Jun 1, 2014 at 13:00:31

“Article One, Section 8 gives Congress the power:
To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the Militia, and for governing such Part of them as may be employed in the Service of the United States, reserving to the States respectively, the Appointment of the Officers, and the Authority of training the Militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress

So the militia's arms must be provided by Congress. I hate to say this because it is further than I would want to go but if your right to bear arms is contingent upon being called up for the militia, Congress can tell you exactly what weapons the US needs you to bring to the country's defense. And these days it is unlikely to be your horse and musket. Maybe,as you suggested, your camping equipment.

This actually seems to be giving Congress more authority over the weapons citizens can have than I had thought because if I am in the militia, Congress has to provide for my arms. If they say I can have such and such a weapon because they will need me to use it I have the right to such a weapon But if I want to buy any other weapon that Congress doesn't think would be useful, I can't. Big payoff for the chosen arms makers! They could even tell us what weapons to buy for self-defense that would integrate into the organized militia

"Unorganized militia" is a contradiction in terms that opens a can of worms”
If Obama Is Actually Coming For Your Guns, He's Really Terrible At It

If Obama Is Actually Coming For Your Guns, He's Really Terrible At It

Commented May 31, 2014 at 20:39:53 in Politics

“For the entire existence of this country and before we've had the unorganized militia, the National Guard is the johnny come lately. The self described militias out there have no legal recognition at all and they are a red herring in the discussion so I don't know why you keep bringing them up.”

cvcrook307 on May 31, 2014 at 22:06:58

“Okay you really have me confused. What exactly is the unorganized militia? Who is in it? The citation you gave me I found unintelligble. You were the one who brought it up; I had only spoken of the one, in the second Amendment, that was defend the United States. Is the unorganized militia just some idealized concept that all of the people will come together if the US is threatened? And we will hide behind fences and shoot at the enemy? I just don't get your point about unorganized militias.”
If Obama Is Actually Coming For Your Guns, He's Really Terrible At It

If Obama Is Actually Coming For Your Guns, He's Really Terrible At It

Commented May 30, 2014 at 20:22:22 in Politics

“Again you are showing a severe lack of knowledge of the basic concept of militia which is private citizens with their own arms who show up when called basically equipped for duty.”

cvcrook307 on May 31, 2014 at 20:08:44

“Well, where is that definition of the concept of the militia in what you sent me previously? I know that is what it was in the early days of the country and that was why the second amendment was written: guns in the hands of citizens so they could defend the country. Where did you get the idea that I don't know that? That was my original point about the second amendment! It's all about militias!
But you started talking about unorganized militias which have no relevance to the regulated ones the constitution speaks of. And in the information you sent, the unorganized ones are so ill-defined that any group can claim to be one.
I know the National Guard and ex-military can be called to duty. But.... they are well-regulated! Look at all those poor National Guard people who served so long in Iraq! Why didn't Bush call up these unorganized militias since the Homeland was under attack? Texas is full of self-described militias. Who has ever called upon them?
Equipped for duty? Why would anybody not having military training be considered equipped for duty? This isn't "just bring your musket" these days.
I know you guys have testosterone to deal with but most women I know think there are more desirable qualities in men than their ability to bond over group killing. And that is how these unauthorized militias appear to us : men mistaking something irrelevant for something important.”
If Obama Is Actually Coming For Your Guns, He's Really Terrible At It

If Obama Is Actually Coming For Your Guns, He's Really Terrible At It

Commented May 30, 2014 at 17:33:16 in Politics

“10 U.S. Code § 311 - Militia: composition and classes

The unorganized militia call up is voluntary.”

cvcrook307 on May 30, 2014 at 19:14:52

“Thanks for the information

" The classes of the militia are—
(1) the organized militia, which consists of the National Guard and the Naval Militia; and
(2) the unorganized militia, which consists of the members of the militia who are not members of the National Guard or the Naval Militia."

Well, that's really clear! So the second group consists of all members who are not in the first group And the class of Militias consists of the first group and all of those not members of the first group. So just about anybody in the world is a member of the unorganized militia. This seems rather a circular definition and reminds me of a Marx Brothers skit

So any group of people anywhere in the world can claim they are a militia under US Law?. But they have no legal obligation to behave like a militia, whatever that means, for the government? So law gives people the right to form extra-legal armed bands? This is ridiculous. I can't speak for today's politicians but the founders were not fools. Why bother to set up a government if you are going to let people take the law into their own hands?
It's the same with the argument that the founders wanted people to be able to overthrow the government they had just created."Hey guys, this is a really crappy government we just created so we are telling you to feel free to overthrow it."”
If Obama Is Actually Coming For Your Guns, He's Really Terrible At It

If Obama Is Actually Coming For Your Guns, He's Really Terrible At It

Commented May 30, 2014 at 12:05:22 in Politics

“in 76, Brady had not been shot and was not working for gun control.”
CHRISTOPHER MICHAEL-MARTINEZ'S FATHER GETS IT RIGHT

CHRISTOPHER MICHAEL-MARTINEZ'S FATHER GETS IT RIGHT

Commented May 30, 2014 at 10:36:12 in Politics

“From the CDC 2012 report on defensive gun use.
* Four studies have been done showing that crime victims who actively used a gun to defend themselves had lower rates of injury than crime victims who did not use guns to defend themselves"”
If Obama Is Actually Coming For Your Guns, He's Really Terrible At It

If Obama Is Actually Coming For Your Guns, He's Really Terrible At It

Commented May 30, 2014 at 07:45:17 in Politics

“" being called for militia duty" Umm no since all Americans belong by default to the unorganized militia by Federal Law (never mind framers intent) we are already in the militia.”

cvcrook307 on May 30, 2014 at 09:34:42

“Really? What is that law?Because I will tell you right now that I am not ready for militia duty. Why hasn't the government forced me to buy a gun and train to use it? Why do they want an unorganized militia? I don't want to be a lawbreaker!
And if we do have such a law, how come the nasty liberals didn't repeal it? They didn't bring it up for a vote 60 times did they?. So if you are right, the article and I are right that there is paranoia on the Right.”
Americans Divided Over Obama's Afghanistan Timetable

Americans Divided Over Obama's Afghanistan Timetable

Commented May 30, 2014 at 06:59:14 in Politics

“Shocking, Obama is a divider not a uniter.”
Iowa GOP Candidate Cites Gabby Giffords Shooting As Reason He Carries Gun To Statehouse

Iowa GOP Candidate Cites Gabby Giffords Shooting As Reason He Carries Gun To Statehouse

Commented May 30, 2014 at 06:39:32 in Politics

“The entire Constitution is subject to amending. You just need to get it through Congress and 3/4ths of the states to do it. Good luck. Or you can try the Constitutional Convention route but that is way unpredictable.”
Iowa GOP Candidate Cites Gabby Giffords Shooting As Reason He Carries Gun To Statehouse

Iowa GOP Candidate Cites Gabby Giffords Shooting As Reason He Carries Gun To Statehouse

Commented May 30, 2014 at 06:35:39 in Politics

“Funny that's the exact opposite of the CDC study. Armed resistance leads on average to a better outcome than unarmed resistance.”
Iowa GOP Candidate Cites Gabby Giffords Shooting As Reason He Carries Gun To Statehouse

Iowa GOP Candidate Cites Gabby Giffords Shooting As Reason He Carries Gun To Statehouse

Commented May 30, 2014 at 06:33:34 in Politics

“Every situation is different, but armed resistance leads on average to a better outcome for the victim than unarmed resistance.”

Proud MN Democrat on May 30, 2014 at 10:01:48

“Actually that is only true in the movies and NRA fantasies.”
If Obama Is Actually Coming For Your Guns, He's Really Terrible At It

If Obama Is Actually Coming For Your Guns, He's Really Terrible At It

Commented May 30, 2014 at 06:28:59 in Politics

“Do you recall 1976? Before Reagan was in office? ... and part of the quote.”

ftlscott on May 30, 2014 at 11:05:09

“Nope, I don't. Not sure how this support your position.”
If Obama Is Actually Coming For Your Guns, He's Really Terrible At It

If Obama Is Actually Coming For Your Guns, He's Really Terrible At It

Commented May 29, 2014 at 18:39:49 in Politics

“There's also a variant that replaces the semi-automatic action with a pump action to reload the chamber. I wouldn't be surprised if someone hacked together a level action either.”
If Obama Is Actually Coming For Your Guns, He's Really Terrible At It

If Obama Is Actually Coming For Your Guns, He's Really Terrible At It

Commented May 29, 2014 at 17:16:27 in Politics

“Sure he can, all he needs to do is replace the pistol grip with a fixed stock. Bingo, it's legal.”

Blunderusunder on May 29, 2014 at 18:15:19

“Thanks a lot, I feel so much better now.”
Gun Violence Killed At Least 80 People The Week Prior To Elliot Rodger's Rampage

Gun Violence Killed At Least 80 People The Week Prior To Elliot Rodger's Rampage

Commented May 29, 2014 at 15:24:49 in Politics

“Still the best numbers out there. The question was on the fuzzy definition of DGU and not on the actual surveys. Nice try.”

abaker997 on May 29, 2014 at 16:17:09

“Bad numbers are bad numbers even if they're the only numbers. Basic logic. Even your way of trying to get out of it "fuzzy definition of DGU" clearly proves your initial assertion false. It is quite impossible to make a hard determination of fact using fuzzy, poor, questionable numbers.

To repeat, to get a real, accurate picture of what the truth is with DGU, you have to have real, accurate data. The gun lobby is doing everything it can to keep that data from being collected. The obvious question is: Why? If they're convinced the numbers will back up their claims, wouldn't they WANT to have accurate data collected? If they consistently try to block the collection of that data, isn't that a pretty good indicator they know the numbers will NOT back up their claims?

Logic. Conservatives abhor it.”
NRA Finally Meets Its Match

NRA Finally Meets Its Match

Commented May 29, 2014 at 14:43:43 in Politics

“"Why should police and healthcare professionals NOT be allowed to put a temporary hold on a person with a recent history of mental health issues."

Police are not qualified to judge mental health issues, Healthcare possibly but as I said before they resist. There also needs to be due process as it is a civil right.

Um CA is a one gun a month state, so we know the shooter waited at least two and a half months. Delay meant nothing there, VA tech shooter, Newtown, time was not an issue.”
NRA Finally Meets Its Match

NRA Finally Meets Its Match

Commented May 29, 2014 at 13:44:24 in Politics

“You need a law to expand the conditions under which a BG check can be failed. For many things that's fine and you could expect help from the NRA. The BG check bill failed in the Senate because of overreach. It would have subjected temporary transfers (such as loaning a rifle to a buddy at the range) to a bg check that can be done only by an FFL as well as a defacto registration scheme among other defects. If the Senate could produce a clean bill it may pass, I say may because the Republicans offered up universal BG checks with the seller performing the NCIC check and the Democrats killed it.

Why should a BG check be harsh? The mental health restrictions were watered down not by the NRA but by the medical community and the ACLU.

Lastly despite what you think, a gun in the home is not a medical issue, it may be a safety issue but it's not a medical one, unless it carries some strange new pathogen I am unaware of.”

kaykaythere on May 29, 2014 at 13:57:02

“From Andrew Arulanandam (NRA Spokesman) who said, "Historically, the gun control lobby was against NICS because they were for wait periods--the longer, the better"

He then went on to claim that the funding required to implement the program never came through anyhow.

Guess who voted down that spending bill............................

I see you otherwise have no argument against having some form of flag hold for potential mass shooters, other than you deflecting away with stuff that had NOTHING to do with my topic.

Why should police and healthcare professionals NOT be allowed to put a temporary hold on a person with a recent history of mental health issues.

Had this guy, the VA Tech shooter, the Aurora shooter, and so on been flagged, they MIGHT have gotten the help they need by being required to undergo evaluation.

WE KNOW that the police here had interactions with the man, and unfortunately they are ill equipped to do a psych eval. His parents also tried to warn people and the mental health people also know.

Had he had to wait to get gun there might have been a chance to save not only the lives he took, but his own life as well.

I feel it is worth a try. I am tired of saying NOTHING can be done.

Nothing can be done because we are a country of selfish children who think only about themselves and not about those around us.”
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