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Rhode Island to Buck National Organization for Marriage, Override Veto of Domestic Partner Death Rights
Commented Jan 05, 2010 at 09:04:58 in Politics
“Well said.
Kudos to RI.
CA and VT will evolve too - just that the referendums drew out the rigid conservative voting bloc more than they did the fair-minded.”
Kudos to RI.
CA and VT will evolve too - just that the referendums drew out the rigid conservative voting bloc more than they did the fair-minded.”
60+ House Democrats Say "Any" Health Bill With No Public Option Is "Unacceptable"
Commented Dec 24, 2009 at 23:17:42 in Politics
“You can hope - but it is unlikely to play out any other way.”
Peter Noble 2 replied on Dec 24, 2009 at 23:25:50
“Rahm is there to fool Obama supporters into thinking the president is really, really caring. Hawaii shows he thinks he deserves a break when he has done precious little this year. Like GWB he feels entitled.
We're stuck here and we'll always be stuck here.”
We're stuck here and we'll always be stuck here.”
60+ House Democrats Say "Any" Health Bill With No Public Option Is "Unacceptable"
Commented Dec 24, 2009 at 23:14:30 in Politics
“A good bill with overwhelming public support? Which bill is this?
Over 57% of the electorate is now against the Senate bill. If you call that overwhelming support, then you need a dictionary ASAP.
A good bill? This bill does nothing to control costs, it only firmly entrenches for-profit HMOs into the system. We have had this promised land in MA. The exact same thing...ma
Over 57% of the electorate is now against the Senate bill. If you call that overwhelming support, then you need a dictionary ASAP.
A good bill? This bill does nothing to control costs, it only firmly entrenches for-profit HMOs into the system. We have had this promised land in MA. The exact same thing...ma
60+ House Democrats Say "Any" Health Bill With No Public Option Is "Unacceptable"
Commented Dec 24, 2009 at 23:10:38 in Politics
“Who needs psychic training? Where is the difficulty in predicting that the Senate bill will become the final bill? Gibbs says it delivers over 95% of what Obama wanted out of HCR. The House bill is more progressive. So that bill will predictably be watered down to match the Senate bill. After all the only rebukes coming out of the WH are aimed at progressives.”
Qunamngdogs replied on Dec 25, 2009 at 08:57:37
“How telling is this- that the Senate bill delivers over 95% of what Obama wanted?
That really ticks me off, considering his rhetoric during that campaign. The mandate (which HRC wanted & Obama said his healthcare bill would NOT contain) as just one example. This reflects very badly on Obama's (LACK of) character. His deal with PhRma *before the negotiations on this bill even began are another. KILL THIS BILL.
We shouldn't even ATTEMPT healthcare reform until most of the corruption has been cleared out of the legislature. We need to fix jobs & the economy FIRST, anyway.”
That really ticks me off, considering his rhetoric during that campaign. The mandate (which HRC wanted & Obama said his healthcare bill would NOT contain) as just one example. This reflects very badly on Obama's (LACK of) character. His deal with PhRma *before the negotiations on this bill even began are another. KILL THIS BILL.
We shouldn't even ATTEMPT healthcare reform until most of the corruption has been cleared out of the legislature. We need to fix jobs & the economy FIRST, anyway.”
60+ House Democrats Say "Any" Health Bill With No Public Option Is "Unacceptable"
Commented Dec 24, 2009 at 23:07:36 in Politics
“Got it Rahm.
Enjoy the one term in the WH.”
Enjoy the one term in the WH.”
3dtrix replied on Dec 25, 2009 at 00:15:55
“I'll bet a month's pay I'm more progressive than you are in your wildest dreams -
I can still smell the tear gas. That doesn't change the law of gravity or basic math. Tell me, oh haughty one - when did progressives EVER change the electoral landscape in this country. Ever. Eh? Good luck in forging alliances with your toxic attitude..
I can still smell the tear gas. That doesn't change the law of gravity or basic math. Tell me, oh haughty one - when did progressives EVER change the electoral landscape in this country. Ever. Eh? Good luck in forging alliances with your toxic attitude..
60+ House Democrats Say "Any" Health Bill With No Public Option Is "Unacceptable"
Commented Dec 24, 2009 at 18:35:54 in Politics
“David,
I wish I could share your optimism. We have heard that Obama is now going to "get personally involved in the process". Given that the WH has said that the Senate bill delivers over 95% of what Obama wanted, and their PR machine has been aimed only at the Progressives so far - you can safely bet that Obama will step in and twist the arms of these 60 progressives. Rahm will be sent to talk to each of them. And the Senate bill will become the final bill.”
I wish I could share your optimism. We have heard that Obama is now going to "get personally involved in the process". Given that the WH has said that the Senate bill delivers over 95% of what Obama wanted, and their PR machine has been aimed only at the Progressives so far - you can safely bet that Obama will step in and twist the arms of these 60 progressives. Rahm will be sent to talk to each of them. And the Senate bill will become the final bill.”
60+ House Democrats Say "Any" Health Bill With No Public Option Is "Unacceptable"
Commented Dec 24, 2009 at 18:32:29 in Politics
“You are afraid that if the whining goes on, the bill that does nothing to control costs, and entrenches for-profit HMOs into health care will not pass?
MA has been this promised land. The exact same reform. Mandates, state run exchange, no denial of pre-existing conditions - the works. No public plan. The cheap plans that cost 15k/year today (this plan will not cover basic diagnostic tests until you reach the 5K annual deductible) is projected to cost 27K/yr by 2016. This is the "progress" that the "whiners" are complaining about!”
MA has been this promised land. The exact same reform. Mandates, state run exchange, no denial of pre-existing conditions - the works. No public plan. The cheap plans that cost 15k/year today (this plan will not cover basic diagnostic tests until you reach the 5K annual deductible) is projected to cost 27K/yr by 2016. This is the "progress" that the "whiners" are complaining about!”
freelancerighter replied on Dec 24, 2009 at 19:52:21
“All of your theories aside -- you have a better idea, right?”
60+ House Democrats Say "Any" Health Bill With No Public Option Is "Unacceptable"
Commented Dec 24, 2009 at 18:29:16 in Politics
“that sums it up well.”
60+ House Democrats Say "Any" Health Bill With No Public Option Is "Unacceptable"
Commented Dec 24, 2009 at 18:28:41 in Politics
“The only history being made here is that the unrestrained for-profit HMO industry is being permanently entrenched into the health care system. This is a big taxpayer funded bailout of the HMO industry. It is TARP for HMOs. Any doubt? Check the soaring HMO stock prices last week. Even WS recognized the holiday present it got.”
freelancerighter replied on Dec 24, 2009 at 19:50:04
“Oh yes. Wall Street Investors.
60+ House Democrats Say "Any" Health Bill With No Public Option Is "Unacceptable"
Commented Dec 24, 2009 at 18:26:36 in Politics
“Said the HMO lobbyist!
Not!”
Not!”
60+ House Democrats Say "Any" Health Bill With No Public Option Is "Unacceptable"
Commented Dec 24, 2009 at 18:24:42 in Politics
“Medical loss ratios for medicare is 97% while it is about 70% for private for-profit HMOs. 30% of every health care dollar today goes towards HMO profits.
The Senate bill includes a limit of 80% medical loss ratio -but there is no enforcement provision. And the term is not defined, so many HMO "expenses" can be bundled as going towards health care as long as they are categorized properly. The smoke and mirrors game will continue.”
The Senate bill includes a limit of 80% medical loss ratio -but there is no enforcement provision. And the term is not defined, so many HMO "expenses" can be bundled as going towards health care as long as they are categorized properly. The smoke and mirrors game will continue.”
bluebird47 replied on Dec 24, 2009 at 20:32:47
“Also someone posted a link to TYT's with Cenk and RJ Eskow talking about this and Mr. Eskow pointed out that all the isurance companies have to do is double the premiums. IE: Charging $3.00 yields 90 cents profit but $6.00 yields $1.80 profit. Viola!! Smoke and mirrors is exactly what it is.”
JessWonderin replied on Dec 24, 2009 at 18:33:24
“thank you fro the facts . . . something the Right refuses to recognize and the health don't care industry sends HUNDREDS of Millions to silence . . .
We need a strong "public option" to level the field and give the people a fair stand . . . if the Government can run the VA HEALTH system with 97% satisfaction and the highest return on the dollar spent, it can do quite well in the "commercial filed" . . . the paid and ill-informed know NOTHING about the real VA system, caring for millions that "for profit" insurance wouldn't even CONSIDER covering . . and the "government" does it for less than "outsourced" providers . . . .
PUBLIC OPTION NOW”
We need a strong "public option" to level the field and give the people a fair stand . . . if the Government can run the VA HEALTH system with 97% satisfaction and the highest return on the dollar spent, it can do quite well in the "commercial filed" . . . the paid and ill-informed know NOTHING about the real VA system, caring for millions that "for profit" insurance wouldn't even CONSIDER covering . . and the "government" does it for less than "outsourced" providers . . . .
PUBLIC OPTION NOW”
An Inglorious End to the Promise of Reform
Commented Dec 22, 2009 at 18:08:31 in Politics
“Exactly.
What is going to happen in the future that will ensure this bill becomes more progressive? If it is possible to improve it, why not do it now?
Gibbs just said on C-Span that the Senate bill accomplishes 95% of what Obama wanted. The atrocious Senate bill is what the WH wanted all along. And some try to convince us this will be built upon over time like SS and Medicare.
The Senate bill is TARP for the HMOs. It is payout for Obama's campaign donors.”
What is going to happen in the future that will ensure this bill becomes more progressive? If it is possible to improve it, why not do it now?
Gibbs just said on C-Span that the Senate bill accomplishes 95% of what Obama wanted. The atrocious Senate bill is what the WH wanted all along. And some try to convince us this will be built upon over time like SS and Medicare.
The Senate bill is TARP for the HMOs. It is payout for Obama's campaign donors.”
Schaef replied on Dec 22, 2009 at 18:24:06
“Will it become financially unsustainable in a matter of decades - if not years - like SS and Medicare?”
The Senate Health Care Bill: Leave No Special Interest Behind
Commented Dec 21, 2009 at 23:08:16 in Politics
“I got the same email from the President. I unsubscribed and let them know why. This blatant capitulation to corporate interests, lack of a fight for progressive measures and lack of leadership by President Obama.”
tralbry replied on Dec 22, 2009 at 10:21:34
“I prefer not to unsubscribe. I prefer to respond to their "spin".
Alternately, I may consider unsubscribing, stating my reason and then re-subscribing. And when the next email comes I may unsubscribe, tell them my reason and re-subscri
Alternately, I may consider unsubscribing, stating my reason and then re-subscribing. And when the next email comes I may unsubscribe, tell them my reason and re-subscri
Leadership, Obama Style, and the Looming Losses in 2010: Pretty Speeches, Compromised Values, and the Quest for the Lowest Common Denominator
Commented Dec 21, 2009 at 22:30:39 in Politics
“I have given up on Obama.
Too little substance.
We were hoodwinked by candidate Obama in 2008. We voted in a charming empty suit, who is run by the DLC.
Need to work only for true progressive candidates in the future.”
Too little substance.
We were hoodwinked by candidate Obama in 2008. We voted in a charming empty suit, who is run by the DLC.
Need to work only for true progressive candidates in the future.”
Leadership, Obama Style, and the Looming Losses in 2010: Pretty Speeches, Compromised Values, and the Quest for the Lowest Common Denominator
Commented Dec 21, 2009 at 22:27:57 in Politics
“What is the reality of the fact of nature? That women are second class citizens?!”
Leadership, Obama Style, and the Looming Losses in 2010: Pretty Speeches, Compromised Values, and the Quest for the Lowest Common Denominator
Commented Dec 21, 2009 at 22:26:15 in Politics
“I am not hoping anymore.
Unsubscribed from the DNC email list when I got an email on this Senate bill, with President Obama calling it historic. Made sure I let them know why I was unsubscribing. This blatant capitulation to special interests, readily caving in on any objection to progressive measures, pandering to the obstructionist GOP (which is meaningless) and lack of leadership.”
Unsubscribed from the DNC email list when I got an email on this Senate bill, with President Obama calling it historic. Made sure I let them know why I was unsubscribing. This blatant capitulation to special interests, readily caving in on any objection to progressive measures, pandering to the obstructionist GOP (which is meaningless) and lack of leadership.”
Leadership, Obama Style, and the Looming Losses in 2010: Pretty Speeches, Compromised Values, and the Quest for the Lowest Common Denominator
Commented Dec 21, 2009 at 22:23:00 in Politics
“Agree. Spot on.”
Leadership, Obama Style, and the Looming Losses in 2010: Pretty Speeches, Compromised Values, and the Quest for the Lowest Common Denominator
Commented Dec 21, 2009 at 19:06:31 in Politics
“Ditto.”
Leadership, Obama Style, and the Looming Losses in 2010: Pretty Speeches, Compromised Values, and the Quest for the Lowest Common Denominator
Commented Dec 21, 2009 at 19:04:54 in Politics
“Thank you. Spot on. Hope the WH reads this.
Most of the Dem base have been completely turned off by this charade that passes for leadership. And President Obama can take credit for this. His empty rhetoric and weak kneed capitulation is not the change we voted for.”
Most of the Dem base have been completely turned off by this charade that passes for leadership. And President Obama can take credit for this. His empty rhetoric and weak kneed capitulation is not the change we voted for.”
Biggest replied on Dec 21, 2009 at 19:38:17
“As a progressive and a Obama voter/supp
Beatriz09 replied on Dec 21, 2009 at 19:32:53
“Wrong. The latest polls affirm that 83% of the Dems approve.
www.gallup
Which means that again Westen is dead wrong when he suggests he is speaking in the name of the majority of "the base" ... .”
www.gallup
Which means that again Westen is dead wrong when he suggests he is speaking in the name of the majority of "the base" ... .”
A Rebuttal to Howard Dean: I Am a U.S. Senator, and I Will Vote For This Bill
Commented Dec 20, 2009 at 15:46:40 in Politics
“If there was any way to avoid getting sick, none of us would buy this worthless product. But we are human and the Lord designed us this way. Unfortunately, being alive is our preexisting condition.
Most of us who have to buy it on our own can barely afford it today. The only reason is because there is no means to pay out of pocket. If you go that route, the Hospitals bill you at astronomical rates. The entire system is out of control. But the first step is make for-profit health insurance go the way of the dinosaur.”
Most of us who have to buy it on our own can barely afford it today. The only reason is because there is no means to pay out of pocket. If you go that route, the Hospitals bill you at astronomical rates. The entire system is out of control. But the first step is make for-profit health insurance go the way of the dinosaur.”
A Rebuttal to Howard Dean: I Am a U.S. Senator, and I Will Vote For This Bill
Commented Dec 20, 2009 at 15:41:42 in Politics
“The Senate bill is what the WH wanted all along. A huge taxpayer funded bailout of HMOs being sold as real HCR. Candidate Obama was bought by corporate interests a long time ago. As President he is now busy repaying their contributions.”
A Rebuttal to Howard Dean: I Am a U.S. Senator, and I Will Vote For This Bill
Commented Dec 20, 2009 at 15:39:36 in Politics
“Well said. Right on point.”
A Rebuttal to Howard Dean: I Am a U.S. Senator, and I Will Vote For This Bill
Commented Dec 20, 2009 at 12:09:15 in Politics
“No, you are wrong Sen Kirk. Dr. Dean is right. The Senate bill firmly entrenches for-profit HMOs into the system. It has many loopholes on the regulatory elements like when policies can be rescinded. It allows the Secretary of Health to waive the Medical loss ratio requirements. Subsidies for those who cannot afford it puts taxpayers on the hook for those exhorbitant premiums HMOs can now legally charge. The bill is TARP for the HMOs. A bailout of the HMO industry being spun as real HCR.
The climate today is different from when SS and Medicare passed. Today Congress is bought by corporate interests. Do you seriously believe that once they have more money, courtesy of the mandates, that the HMO lobbyists are going to stand back and watch price controls kick in?
Yes, the perfect is the enemy of the good.
But the bad is the enemy of the good.
And the Senate bill is bad.”
The climate today is different from when SS and Medicare passed. Today Congress is bought by corporate interests. Do you seriously believe that once they have more money, courtesy of the mandates, that the HMO lobbyists are going to stand back and watch price controls kick in?
Yes, the perfect is the enemy of the good.
But the bad is the enemy of the good.
And the Senate bill is bad.”
A Rebuttal to Howard Dean: I Am a U.S. Senator, and I Will Vote For This Bill
Commented Dec 20, 2009 at 12:05:06 in Politics
“I agree too.
The Democrats are the same as the GOP - except with different speech writers. They are peddling legislation that only further entrenches the corporate kleptocracy in the system - and are busy spinning it as real reform.”
The Democrats are the same as the GOP - except with different speech writers. They are peddling legislation that only further entrenches the corporate kleptocracy in the system - and are busy spinning it as real reform.”
Left/Right Populist Outrage Will Defeat Senate Health Care Bill
Commented Dec 19, 2009 at 12:11:08 in Politics
“When Congress passed Medicare and SS, the tone and tenor of politics was different.
What we are dealing with today is a blatant corporate buyout of Congress.
Yes, handing over more money to HMOs (which is what the Senate bill does) will allow for more reform to happen later! Why? Because HMO lobbyists will stand back and allow actual price controls to kick in? Please stop spinning this effort as serious legislation.”
What we are dealing with today is a blatant corporate buyout of Congress.
Yes, handing over more money to HMOs (which is what the Senate bill does) will allow for more reform to happen later! Why? Because HMO lobbyists will stand back and allow actual price controls to kick in? Please stop spinning this effort as serious legislation.”
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