How else could privileged middle class(or even upper class) women feel like they are victims, all the time.
Here's a "pay gap" that feminist, who just want equality for everyone, never talk about, ever.
White women make about 10% than African American men and about 20% more than Hispanic men.”
Nativeskingrl on Jun 3, 2014 at 09:21:10
“Sure, there's a gender pay gap as well as an ethnic pay gap.”
Demi Crat on Jun 2, 2014 at 23:53:58
“How much more do white men make than the demographic groups you listed? In fact, how much more do Black and Hispanic men make compared to their female counterparts? The topic is gender inequality. It must be tough, but try to stay focused on the topic at hand.”
“Yeah, feminism is for human Rights of 50% of the population (actually women make up a bit more than that) and conservatism is for small government.
Arlene La Hera on May 23, 2014 at 07:45:33
“You think I don't know we are more than half the planet? Men scare easily. If they know we outnumber them, rights equal to theirs may never happen.”
Arlene La Hera on May 23, 2014 at 07:41:19
“Almost right...not quite. Conservatism isn't for small government. They want to get rid of government altogether. They do not want oversight or accountability while they rape the planet, claim what they dig out of it or steal from it, and sell it back to us. They do not want government interfering with the war on women or stopping them from subjecting workers to hazards and abuse. They don't even want the Constitution protecting innocent people from being illegally searched and their property seized. That was so Rumsfeld's pals at RAPISCAN could sell scanners to airports....and the list goes on....yeah, you stick with them.”
“If you believe the police report, it seems clear the alleged victim was not being truthful about the nature of the events that took place the night in question. Maybe, that is why the police handled the case the way they did.”
“Great! That does not have anything to do with what I am talking about. Do you understand how conversations or arguments work?
I'll give you a hint they generally don't include random thoughts that are loosely tied to the discussion at hand.”
MetalUntilIDie on May 2, 2014 at 22:24:45
“Uh yes it does, if I had continued despite the protests of my partner at the time and had even caused serious or minor injury to her then most people would consider that rape. Why? Because she told me to stop and that she was hurting, but if I had continued on? Then that would be a HUGH problem and likely wouldn't end so well for me.
And for the record yes I know very well how conversations and arguments work.
Look, you seem like less of a creep due to your loss and I am truly sorry about that. But my opinion of you still stands, just on a lesser scale.”
“I wouldn't mention this ordinarily (because it is not relevant to the argument) but, since you asked. My wife and mother of my children was killed in a car accident.
Is that what you were imagining?
And if you caused harm to someone because of what they did to your daughter and then found yourself in front of a judge for sentencing I bet you would want the judge to consider the circumstances of your case.
That is all I am saying is that circumstances matter.”
But, the circumstances of your case definitely matter, in that, it seems to me from what you describe the relative who raped you should get a severe sentence, I would think the maximum sentence allowed.
However, in this case the judge decided that the sentence should be light and given some of the circumstances I think there is a possibility that she made the right call.”
LadySabertooth on May 2, 2014 at 22:04:52
“Please, the lady seems to be one of those "only virgins are innocent" fanatics, so she just made the call because the girl wasn't a virgin nothing more nothing less. They already said the girl told that creep to stop but he didn't listen and continued on despite the protests of the victim. He confessed that she did indeed tell him to stop so he didn't confess to having "consensual" contact with the girl he confessed to raping her plain and simple.
He should have been put away from 25 years or more and not be given such a light-hearted slap on the wrist. Let alone have to work at a rape crisis center. That's just insult to injury.
Then again I tend to be more empathetic towards proven victims unlike most people.”
“Yes, he raped her. I never said he did not rape her.
My argument is simply given some of the facts of the case it is POSSIBLE that the judge was justified in handing out a light sentence.
For example, for the sake of argument, let's say the guy was 29 instead of 18, I would think about the case differently. But, given the fact that the guy was barely 18 indicates that, if a judge choses to do so, it might be a reason for a lighter sentence.
And if my daughter was in this situation I can guarantee that my viewpoint would not change, because my viewpoint is based in logic and not emotions and that logic does not change because of my relationship to the victim.”
“Oh, that's interesting. Why do I feel like you would think I was particularly qualified on the matter of statutory rape if I agreed with you?
My past experience does not "color" my judgment. There are plenty of cases, I would imagine, the vast majority of statutory rape cases that harsh sentences are required, but on occasion, like possibly, this case the circumstances of the case make it so that a light sentence is justified.”
MetalUntilIDie on May 2, 2014 at 17:43:18
“I had sex with some girl I'd met at a bar a few weeks ago and in the middle of the act I wanted to switch positions and go a little harder. She told me "stop" because she felt some discomfort and asked me to slow my pace. Guess what I did? I listened to her and stopped and asked her if she was ok if she wanted to continue and whatnot. She said yes but not in the position I wanted to try. See what I did there? I paid attention to what she said and didn't act like selfish jerk. Now I'm sure you are very unaware of that concept but that's not too much of a surprise.”
Bellanova on May 2, 2014 at 16:19:38
“I don't know why you feel the way you do (see? this is what happens when no projection is involved), so don't ask me that.
Your comments on this matter are evidence that yes, indeed, your experiences are influencing your views on this matter in most peculiar ways (and by that I mean clearly prejudiced ways that are at odds with healthy emotional and moral reasoning, not to mention law).
You would be disqualified as a potential juror in this case. Correctly so.”
“Yeah, great, you seem to have an ridiculously simplistic view of what is often a highly complicated issue. I don't think you have the proper mentality to have a reasonable argument on this topic.
Have fun living in your simplistic fantasy world.
I'm done trying to drag you into reality.”
GreshamGuy on May 2, 2014 at 14:49:17
“I'm sorry. It seems you can't understand the difference between a case and the law. The law is supreme. The arguments about how it applies to a set of circumstances is the trial and appeals process. Lawyers argue their cases about how the circumstances do or do not fit the law. This does not make the definition of the act under the law any different. It is the interpretation of the circumstances which changes, not the law itself.
You don't need to attack me because you can't see the difference. I am not attacking you, but only pointing out the flaw In your understanding.
“I am technically a former "victim" of statutory rape and I find most of the comments here to be shocking.
Although it seems that many in our society do not want to admit it but, rape, in general, and statutory rape in particular, can be very complicated and certainly need to be looked at on a case by case basis.
When considering the punishment for any crime the circumstances in which that crime occurred is considered and rape is no different.”
sexicalibunny on May 3, 2014 at 00:16:14
“Rape is rape and that is final. The fact that she is 14 is of no consequence,she said no he admitted he raped her and this judge basically said he was good to go in her book and said the victim deserved what she got. case by case nothing.”
EmmaDarian on May 2, 2014 at 16:50:51
“Oh, and he admitted in court that the victim told him "no" before and during the rape. The judge heard it with her own ears, though what is between those ears I couldn't speak to.”
EmmaDarian on May 2, 2014 at 15:32:55
“This is not complicated. The rapist admitted, on tape, that the victim said no throughout. He admits that she told him she did not want to have sex then and there and that he forced her, as she told him to stop throughout.
Still think it's complicated?”
Lady1genius on May 2, 2014 at 14:54:17
“Are you confused? This is not a statutory rape case. This is a sex without consent case.”
“Pardon me, for using logic and not irrationally following popular sayings that are likely driven by feminist propaganda.
First, I never said she was not raped it seems clear that she was.
Second, of course the circumstances in which the rape occurs matter, as it does with any crime, when considering a sentencing. Why would rape be different from any other law. Circumstances matter greatly when sentencing for Murder but they shouldn't for rape?
And you are right this is the "Rape culture" something made up by feminist to attack anyone who dares to think logically about rape or have a view of it that does not completely favor women.”
Tazarina57 on May 3, 2014 at 09:37:44
“Pardon me, but where's your logic and where's the "feminist propaganda"? Go into google and type Rape Myths and Rape Culture and follow the yellow brick road. There are studies and research, done by reputable doctors and scientists that have proven who rapes and why and have proven these things exist and are responsible for the epidemic of rape around the world.
You come on these threads and blame "feminism" for all of the problems of men and spout about how evil and bad feminism is, like the word and the idea and the focus behind feminism is a BAD thing, and not the end result of thousands of years of abuse towards women. And the only thing made up are the excuses that some men bandy about when trying to excuse the bad behavior of some men, too many men.
In the majority of states it's illegal for anyone to bring up a rape victim's sexual past and it's certainly illegal to use it as justification for not sending a rapist to jail. And that's because the only circumstances that matter are whether or not he forced sexual intercourse upon someone without their consent.
And yes, you did state that she wasn't raped. The question that I have for you is why are you constantly on these threads trying to minimize rape and blame victims for that rape?”
LadySabertooth on May 2, 2014 at 18:49:55
“"First, I never said she was not raped it seems clear that she was."
“This is from the story linked in the article from HuffPost:
"Howard said she made her decision for several reasons, including: The girl had texted Young asking him to spend time with her; the girl had AGEED TO HAVE SEX with him but just didn’t want to at school; medical records show the girl had three sexual partners and had given birth to a baby; and Young was barely 18 at the time."
Sometimes you have dig a little to find the whole truth.
As a matter of fact, I do have a daughter that I love very much and I am now the single parent of, if she found her self in a situation similar to the victim here, from what I can tell I would hope for a similar sentence.
I am not driven by emotions the fact that I have a daughter does not change what I believe to be right or wrong and it certainly does not change the law.”
MetalUntilIDie on May 2, 2014 at 17:46:26
“You're now a single father?
Gee can't imagine why, you seem like such a nice person.
As for if I had a daughter that had previously had sex but then was FORCED against her will after saying no and stop where do you think the rapist would be?
I'll give you a hint: I grew up in the bayou where there were plenty of Gators. Use your imagination for the rest.”
Earnpup on May 2, 2014 at 15:02:44
“I'll call your logic our again.
I'm married and have children with this woman. We have had sex hundred's of times. I want to have sex in an airplane, join the mile-high club, you know? She agreed on our honeymoon 4 years ago that we would join the club eventually. On this particular trip, the opportunity arises, yet she backs out. I then proceed to forcibly have sex with her, even after she has repeatedly said no. She repeatedly says no, yet I do not stop.
That is rape. No two ways around it. Even if she is my WIFE.
And by the way, if your daughter ever was in this situation(which I hope and pray never happens to her)and you would hope that her attacker is not punished severely, then you sir, are a crappy parent. You basically are saying that it is her fault for liking a boy and him violating her body. Crappy. Parent.”
coracii on May 2, 2014 at 15:02:25
“There are two problems with your conclusion. First, a 14 year old can never under any circumstances consent to sexual contact with an adult under Texas law. If he was 30 seconds above 18 he's still governed by the law deeming him an adult. It is automatically statutory rape, no matter what other factors may be involved. And second, her text means absolutely nothing because when he raped her at the school she told him no and to stop. He admitted under oath that she did so, and doing so he admitted to felonious rape. The victim's past sexual history has zero bearing on this incident, she said no and was raped. It doesn't matter how many partners she had, what she was wearing, where she was at the time, or whether she was intoxicated (she wasn't). No means no under every circumstance. I hope your daughter is never in this situation, but I'd guarantee you'd change your viewpoint if she was.”
“That is great if you insist on keeping a narrow-minded view of rape, but real life is more complicated than that.
I was 13 when I had sex with a 18 year old women. I guess you would say that means I was abused, I would say that we just happened to meet, by chance, and there was a mutual attraction from day one.
Although not socially acceptable, the relationship was not abusive, I just believe that I was a more physically and mentally developed child than most kids my age, at first she had no idea that I was 13. Technically she raped me a few times but I would later marry this women and have children with her.
I would never call her a rapist but I'm sure you would.”
Amanda Garrison on May 3, 2014 at 06:31:15
“Yes. You were sexually assaulted. You may not call it that, but that's exactly what happened.”
Lisa Hoare on May 2, 2014 at 20:55:34
“Although you see nothing wrong in that realtionship it was still an abuse by the older party.Sexual assault is more than a physical act it is about power. The effects early sexualisation of children has on the victims can be seen in their behaviours throughout adolesence and later life. Their attitudes to sex are coloured by having sex too early and it opens pathways that would "normally" be left until a more mature brain can make better choices. I can see this in your excuses for both your own abuser and the abusers of this young girl.”
Earnpup on May 2, 2014 at 14:54:54
“In most states today, that is statutory rape. I believe another commenter stated this: A 14 year old can not consent.
Thats awesome that you eventually married this woman and had children with her. But riddle me this, why did a teacher in FL have sex with a child, have a baby with a child, yet she ended up in jail? Not because of her position of authority, but rather because the child was not of age to make such an adult decision.
Should 14 year olds vote? Drink alcohol? There's a reason we try to protect our young ones. We like to think that we as adults are mature enough to make decisions to protect them. Not feed them to the wolves.
You're logic is so skewed. If I grow pot, does that make me a drug dealer? I would never call myself a drug dealer, but I'm sure you would. Maybe you won't, but you catch my drift? We make laws to protect all of society, not just a few. Rape laws are on the books to protect everyone. They can not be selectively applied.”
Bellanova on May 2, 2014 at 14:29:49
“I would call you singularly unqualified to opine on this matter, specifically because of your experiences. They obviously color your judgment and make you project your peculiar views related to your situation on this particular case.”
“I have a understanding of rape that is better than most and I have a particular understanding of statutory rape being that I was technically the "victim" of it.
I had sex with a woman who was 18 when I was 13. I believe her motives were certainly "about sex" and no one ever pressed charges. I don't think of her as a rapist at all and in fact later I would go on to marry this women.
There are many instances in which a rape can occur and it is completely "about sex" and I don't see how any of your unnecessary presumptuous explanation changes that.”
MetalUntilIDie on May 2, 2014 at 17:36:10
“The girl told the creep no and stop and he didn't, yeah that sounds like rape. If a woman tells me no or stop I'm gonna listen and I'm gonna stop.
But then again I'm not some psychopath so I doubt you understand what no and stop means.”
GreshamGuy on May 2, 2014 at 13:49:58
“Legally, it was a criminal act, a felony in most states. There was no "technically" about it. A child cannot give consent and that is the bottom line. If the other party does not or cannot give consent, it is an assault, not a consensual act. That you later married her is your own affair and nothing to do with the law.
I am not being presumptuous. You are confusing the circumstances of a case with the law. Juries can be swayed by circumstances to apply varying forms of punishment or even ignore the facts, but they are only charged with determining if the set of facts constitutes a violation of the law. According to the law, rape is an assault on a party who does not or cannot give consent to sexual acts. That does not change with circumstances, though the interpretation of the circumstances may be a factor in the application of the law.”
“I did not ignore any of those things he was convicted of rape and in some instances, rape is about a physical assault, in others it's not.
The definition of rape in this country is open to interpretation, now, in this country, and you cannot paint all "rape" with the same brush, the level the crime and the motivations can very greatly.”
GreshamGuy on May 2, 2014 at 10:09:22
“OK, so you don't understand law. That's okay, many people don't
Rape is actually called "criminal sexual assault". The key component is consent. Sexual relations must be consensual - both parties must be able to consent and must consent to engage in sex. Ability to consent is defined by law. It is age dependent. Every state has laws defining the age at which a person is legally able to give consent, usually around 16, though some jurisdictions can go as low as 14 or as high as 18. If consent cannot be given, even if the underage partner is willing, it is still criminal sexual conduct - by definition, consent cannot be given under any circumstance by an underage individual and the responsibility belongs to the individual who is legally able to consent. Consent cannot be given when the individual is mentally impaired, either - including the effect of alcohol or drugs or mental impairment due to age or physical condition.
Non-consensual sex is a physical assault of a sexual nature, the legal equivalent of hitting someone over the head with a brick. The definition of rape in this country is NOT open to interpretation. Understanding the circumstances of consent and how they fit into the law is what a trial is about. If consent is not or cannot be given, it is criminal sexual assault, end of story. The only time there is any controversy is when both parties are of age and are capable of giving consent.”
“Yes and that may be the reason he was convicted but, the circumstances of how the rape occurred is the reason he got a light sentence.
He was convicted of rape if you recall.”
pbr56 on May 2, 2014 at 10:21:49
“there were no circumstances. He raped a 14 year old girl.”
GreshamGuy on May 2, 2014 at 09:08:57
“Yeah - but rape has two components here, which you completely ignore. A 14 year old cannot consent and the fact that he had sexual congress with her is statutory rape - no "mitigating circumstances" can apply. The second is that rape is not about sex - it is about a physical assault of a sexual nature. She did not consent to being assaulted and she could not consent to sex. Her history is irrelevant - this is aboout what HE did.
The judge essentially said "she caused him to do it" and that is beyond her scope - judges do not get to color their judgments with opinions about the moral standing of the victims. They are charged with judging the facts and the law as objectively as humanly possible.”
“The statement I responded to was not limited to this case and I was not talking about this case.
Furthermore, the judge was convinced it was rape she just did not feel that the rape in this case deserved a severe sentence.”
Fran Jaime on May 2, 2014 at 13:11:35
“Rape is RAPE! She's 14! He deserved a hard prison sentence.”
Arielifan on May 2, 2014 at 10:32:54
“If it is true that, "The statement I responded to was not limited to this case and I was not talking about this case.", then why isn't it permitted to allow the accused history to be looked into? Double-standard much?”
Nunyabeezwaxduh on May 2, 2014 at 08:48:11
“he pleaded guilty, he had to give a full recount of his actions.”
“If the only evidence you have is a persons word, then all of that stuff can matter and anyone who is thinking reasonably knows that to be true.”
Throwing Stones on May 3, 2014 at 08:40:32
“She was not lying about her age. She was raped even if she had tried to consent. Children can not consent. Her past does not matter. All that maters is she said no. Period. Teach young men to leave the girls alone. The time will come when you have consensual sex. If not, blame no one but yourself.”
sexicalibunny on May 3, 2014 at 00:03:28
“It wasn't just her word,if you read closely he plead guilty to rape,he dmits he raped her.”
sjford on May 2, 2014 at 22:50:14
“Bull! With no physical evidence judgement is made on the truthfulness of the witnesses. You don't get to ask the female is she's a virgin or if she wears makeup. The typical male view is the root of the problem.”
Ravenlea on May 2, 2014 at 13:54:22
“The rapist confessed, so it was not only the girl's accusation, it was the rapist's admission of guilt.”
treetracker on May 2, 2014 at 10:03:14
“Young, who pleaded guilty to raping the girl at school in October 2011
He is an ADMITTED rapist -- whose word are your talking about?”
demorick2 on May 2, 2014 at 10:00:55
“He was 18, she was 14...that's statutory rape...he should have recieved a tougher sentence...”
pirx on May 2, 2014 at 07:54:39
“In this case, you have the word of both parties, the perp and the victim. They both agree it was rape. There was a guilty plea. The only persons who remain unconvinced are the judge, and you.”
Women would complain that they have to be the ones that have to initiate interactions with men
They would complain how hard it is to deal with constant rejection they receive from men
They would say it is a sign of "male privilege" that men think they should always have women chasing after them and how it is proof that society values men more than women because women have to prove their love for a man while just having a man is seen as some prize for a women.”
“I won't even address you long rambling that in part seemed to question my use of the word black, when I only use the word because you did.
As for what is gay if not a belief?
Gay is either a state of being or a person who engages in gay acts.
It is certainly not a belief, no more than being straight is a belief.”
WESmith on Mar 16, 2014 at 19:42:27
“Being straight is a belief in Evolution, Genetics, Embryology and Biology. But not all straight people believe in all of that. For some, it is just recreational fun. Funny, the use of the word recreation without any creation to be repeated. English doesn't make sense most of the time. It is highly ambiguous. I remember the first question our Evolution professor asked; "How many of you had sex this morning?...Those that didn't raise your hand. When were you neutered?" According to scientific and legal definitions, Bill Clinton did not have sexual relations with that woman. That led Clinton to make the greatest declarant of the last 100 years; "It depends on what the meaning of is is."”
“No it's not what I deem impossible, if you take a literal interpretation of the story of Noah, it is in fact impossible. No one could build a boat large enough to hold two of all the animals in the world, not too mention all the food you would have to gather to feed the these animals for over a month. Then there is the issue of gathering two of every animal, it would take several lifetimes even if you lived to be 900 years old.”
onemessenjah on Mar 16, 2014 at 17:43:00
“Of course. But you haven't clarified your decree that we should discriminate against those who believe in the impossible. You said they should be discriminated against. Is it that they are so stupid to literally believe in the Noah story that they deserve to be prejudiciously separated out?”