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Travelodge Has Made A Decision To Remove Bibles That Could Really Upset Christians

Travelodge Has Made A Decision To Remove Bibles That Could Really Upset Christians

Commented Aug 24, 2014 at 11:09:00 in UK

“But for how long?”

weskirk1 on Aug 24, 2014 at 13:55:09

“Very true Douglas B.very true
wes”
Travelodge Has Made A Decision To Remove Bibles That Could Really Upset Christians

Travelodge Has Made A Decision To Remove Bibles That Could Really Upset Christians

Commented Aug 19, 2014 at 09:53:09 in UK

“MY bacon is safe ..but presumabley "my" bible isnt,well at least at travelodge anyway.In the words of travelodge the bibles were removed in the interests of multi culturalism .. not because it is or isnt nonsensical..The islamification of britain is a ridicolous concept you suggest..but 20 years ago the idea that soon 2 guys would be able to get married to each other in a church ceremony would have people falling off of their seats with laughter.Never say never.”

Goatist on Aug 19, 2014 at 09:57:24

“Yeah, and that little book that lurks on the bedside table states that those 2 guys should be put to death, so frankly, I'm glad it's being removed.”
Travelodge Has Made A Decision To Remove Bibles That Could Really Upset Christians

Travelodge Has Made A Decision To Remove Bibles That Could Really Upset Christians

Commented Aug 19, 2014 at 09:18:20 in UK

“a journey of a thousand miles must begin with a single step......add all the other single steps into the mix and one might wonder if it is more than mere coincidence.”

Goatist on Aug 19, 2014 at 09:33:04

“What journey do you think it is though? I mean, the removal from a budget hotel chain of a largely nonsensical document originally collated in the early middle ages is a reasonable step, in a society that's becoming increasingly secular in the 21st century; I can add those steps up quite reasonably, but can't make any sort of leap to you having to eat pork in a car park. It's actually ridiculous, what you're suggesting; trust me, modern Britain might want to stop people from discriminating against women and gay people or getting special privileges on the basis of harbouring supernatural beliefs, but your bacon is absolutely not under threat.”
Travelodge Has Made A Decision To Remove Bibles That Could Really Upset Christians

Travelodge Has Made A Decision To Remove Bibles That Could Really Upset Christians

Commented Aug 19, 2014 at 08:48:52 in UK

“If any group are using smoke and mirrors tactics its "you people" methinks......Is the "move on" request an order or a request?But of course you are at least correct in your comment "theres nothing to see here"if you were indeed referring to your own post.”
Travelodge Has Made A Decision To Remove Bibles That Could Really Upset Christians

Travelodge Has Made A Decision To Remove Bibles That Could Really Upset Christians

Commented Aug 18, 2014 at 19:07:44 in UK

“not really ........the removal of bibles is just another step in dismantling of British culture and tradition to placate so called minorities....that's the issue.
As for voting-don't bother it only encourages them..”

Goatist on Aug 18, 2014 at 19:26:49

“I've just never really considered Travelodge to be an important bastion of British culture, nor the Gideon's Bible to be British tradition. I mean, you'd be better off leaving a copy of The Lord of The Rings down there in the left hand bedside table; for a start, it's actually a British book, and people would be much more likely to read it, and you could probably safely stop providing it at any point without people getting their knickers in a massive twist over the whole thing.”
Travelodge Has Made A Decision To Remove Bibles That Could Really Upset Christians

Travelodge Has Made A Decision To Remove Bibles That Could Really Upset Christians

Commented Aug 18, 2014 at 18:35:44 in UK

“I cant remember ever having read it.....Do you vote labour?”

Goatist on Aug 18, 2014 at 18:53:45

“So you're upset about a book never read being removed from rooms in a hotel you never stay in?

And - I don't know; this will be my first occasion of voting in a UK general election and I haven't fully decided yet.”
Travelodge Has Made A Decision To Remove Bibles That Could Really Upset Christians

Travelodge Has Made A Decision To Remove Bibles That Could Really Upset Christians

Commented Aug 18, 2014 at 18:24:08 in UK

“more chance of finding a cow that speaks Spanish.”
Travelodge Has Made A Decision To Remove Bibles That Could Really Upset Christians

Travelodge Has Made A Decision To Remove Bibles That Could Really Upset Christians

Commented Aug 18, 2014 at 18:18:10 in UK

“as john says ....just give it time”

neilhwilliams on Aug 19, 2014 at 02:08:31

“Do you people have the mandate to vote ? You worry me that you can't even assimilate a simple situation without putting some sort of sinister twist on it as if there's some Islamic master plan behind it. Move on. Nothing to see here.”
Travelodge Has Made A Decision To Remove Bibles That Could Really Upset Christians

Travelodge Has Made A Decision To Remove Bibles That Could Really Upset Christians

Commented Aug 18, 2014 at 18:16:09 in UK

“If everything was printed in English a good percentage of people wouldn't understand it. Ya know diversity and all that stuff.”
Travelodge Has Made A Decision To Remove Bibles That Could Really Upset Christians

Travelodge Has Made A Decision To Remove Bibles That Could Really Upset Christians

Commented Aug 18, 2014 at 18:05:45 in UK

“You don't own a duffel coat? don't smoke? don't munch cherry pies?...my my my it seems that you haven't as yet penetrated the inner circle of the left wing elite yet. give it time......discrimination-there is much.there is so called positive discrimination also,but no doubt you wont wish to go there......you are excuse the phrase -cherry picking which is to be expected I guess.Perchance you may have on hand a similar newscutting from the morning star,the daily worker or some such rag close at hand? OK evidence.....Travelodge removed the bibles in the interests of multiculturalism..i.e not to offend others -presumabley non-Christian. So who do you think it was for the benefit of? devil worshippers maybe?..er sun worshippers? or maybe even flat earthers?....For the lefties who squeeze any renant of perceived racism or prejudice from anywhere they can with an almost messianic zeal if it suits their purposes,yet ignore the counter arguments/issues is frankly laughable. If”
Travelodge Has Made A Decision To Remove Bibles That Could Really Upset Christians

Travelodge Has Made A Decision To Remove Bibles That Could Really Upset Christians

Commented Aug 18, 2014 at 17:46:44 in UK

“nope....in fact Ive never been a guest at a travel lodge hotel either.”

Goatist on Aug 18, 2014 at 17:48:09

“Do you read the bible often?”
Travelodge Has Made A Decision To Remove Bibles That Could Really Upset Christians

Travelodge Has Made A Decision To Remove Bibles That Could Really Upset Christians

Commented Aug 18, 2014 at 13:46:40 in UK

“And re-assuringly smelling of Dettol?”
Travelodge Has Made A Decision To Remove Bibles That Could Really Upset Christians

Travelodge Has Made A Decision To Remove Bibles That Could Really Upset Christians

Commented Aug 18, 2014 at 13:35:13 in UK

“?that wasn't evidence-that was left wing propaganda.-Gordon Brown era style....An appeal to common sense is just that-an appeal to common sense,which mostly doesn't sit well with the duffel coated,pipe smoking,cherry pie munching darlings of the left.”

Goatist on Aug 18, 2014 at 16:30:33

“So.. em... have you ever actually read the bible in a Travelodge?”

Lancelotjon on Aug 18, 2014 at 16:09:45

“Then supply 'evidence' of your own. Whilst it may have appeared in The Guardian it was a report of an academic study .... and one supported by a large body of similar research. But then you don't really want research only anecdotal stories that support your view. For the record I don't have a duffel coat, don't smoke and dislike cherries, not that that'll stop you indulging in your quaint little fact free fantasies”
Travelodge Has Made A Decision To Remove Bibles That Could Really Upset Christians

Travelodge Has Made A Decision To Remove Bibles That Could Really Upset Christians

Commented Aug 18, 2014 at 10:58:05 in UK

“Theres shouting and then there is shouting.If one raises ones voices slightly in normal conversation to emphasize a word or phrase,does that constitute ill mannered shouting also? Still long on inconsequentials and short on common sense I notice.”

Lancelotjon on Aug 18, 2014 at 11:55:58

“Given I've actually provided a reference to support my claims which you've singularly failed to do you're hardly in a position to criticise. An appeal to "common sense" is frequently an excuse for not searching for and refelecting on the available facts before reaching a conclusion.”
Travelodge Has Made A Decision To Remove Bibles That Could Really Upset Christians

Travelodge Has Made A Decision To Remove Bibles That Could Really Upset Christians

Commented Aug 18, 2014 at 10:50:03 in UK

“My exact words "Maybe next they will introduce " .....Where does it say its likely to happen? It was a rhetorical question (tongue in cheek) and I suspect you were well aware of that.
The guardian/observer article ,was it tainted? Whether tainted or not ,the observer is well known for its left wing political slant . the 3000 job applications quoted isnt really a big enough sample to deduce anything from 1 way or the other without including however many "genuine" applications as opposed to the "bogus"applications there were -and what those applications consisted of -how many jobs were on offer and so on and so forth. You seem to be arguing for positive discrimination,or the writers of that article were,which is discrimination none the less
Any employer should be free to employ whoever he wishes and not be saddled with quotas of any kind. . Maybe you might look up a scholarly paper on that issue (if any exist). ..”
Travelodge Has Made A Decision To Remove Bibles That Could Really Upset Christians

Travelodge Has Made A Decision To Remove Bibles That Could Really Upset Christians

Commented Aug 17, 2014 at 16:56:51 in UK

“Nicholas,,Hi
I quite agree with you regarding Christians owning/bringing their own bibles and the rest. Id like to say I am of no religious persuasion whatever,so to me it makes no difference bible or no bible in Travelodge but........While its obvious that travel lodge ,the same as any other business have board meetings to look at outgoings/incomings/profit margins and ways in which to squeeze a few more halfpences from the customer to maximise profit etc,it seems strange that at vboard level the decision was made to get change the traditional providing of bibles in rooms.Presumabley to the board it was an important decision.It wouldn't have come under cost cutting because the bibles would already been owned /lent to the company.so no outlay (Im assuming this of course) So the reason given was "in the interest of multicultarism "etc etc. which brings me back to page 1....we have had attempts to change xmas to winter festival,pleas for sharia law, the islamification of schools and other issues.Now our civilisation isn't going to crumble because of travelodges decision tis true...but its the methodical chip chip chip at our way of life ,a bit here-a touch there ,till possibly ,and I say possibly we will wake up and discover one morning that these people will own us....”
Travelodge Has Made A Decision To Remove Bibles That Could Really Upset Christians

Travelodge Has Made A Decision To Remove Bibles That Could Really Upset Christians

Commented Aug 17, 2014 at 15:35:08 in UK

“I capitalised anybody to emphasize that anybody could join the conversation and to show I wasn't prejudiced as you so affectionately suggested.For this i am accused of shouting ..it seems the fevered imaginations of the right have something in common with the deluded mentalities of the left perhaps.You ask for proof yet shy away from absolute truth...many claims on the left are exaggerated or complete falsehoods also.nothing new there. You will see what you want to see.”

Lancelotjon on Aug 18, 2014 at 05:46:03

“Using capitalised words is widely regarded as shouting on forums such as this. Still long on assertion and short on proof I note.”
Travelodge Has Made A Decision To Remove Bibles That Could Really Upset Christians

Travelodge Has Made A Decision To Remove Bibles That Could Really Upset Christians

Commented Aug 17, 2014 at 14:32:17 in UK

“Nothing outlandish kind sir....I didnt say pork would haave to be eaten in the car park,I asked if that would be the next thing introduced.( So it seems rather daft that you would ask me to provide proof of that..now maybe you can read ,but whether or not you can understand what you read is an altogether different question.
maybe you might provide proof of your final sentence?
Prejudice-racist-etc etc ad nauseum ..just another set of words to stifle any viewpoint that might be viewed as politically incorrect.
As for timidity ,if the "wrong" opinions are voiced then the post would be deleted ,as so often happens to others here....so what would be the point?”

Lancelotjon on Aug 18, 2014 at 05:54:32

“You clearly suggested that a ban on pork eating was likely and equally clearly did so without any evidence. As for providing evidence for my observation in my final sentence, there are numerous scholarly papers on the topic of racial bias against minorities. A more accessible start might be http://www.theguardian.com/money/2009/oct/18/racism-discrimination-employment-undercover - and if you reject this source as tainted, just follow up some of the academic studies”
Travelodge Has Made A Decision To Remove Bibles That Could Really Upset Christians

Travelodge Has Made A Decision To Remove Bibles That Could Really Upset Christians

Commented Aug 17, 2014 at 14:18:32 in UK

“Sure you can barge in ,ANYBODYS welcome here.what to you would constitute absolute proof? circumstial evidence is pretty thick on the ground..is that proof ? no .but sometimes it makes one wonder if these events are more than mere coincidence. Of course ,to lefties theres no evidence,not even a suspicion of any agenda-it was always thus.”

Lancelotjon on Aug 17, 2014 at 14:46:35

“Please,don't 'shout'. Did I ask for 'absolute proof'? All I asked for was some proof which you've yet to provide and, frankly, I don't see much 'circumstantial evidence' either outside the fevered imaginings of the extreme right. Many claims on the right when chased down to the source disappear since they prove to be exaggerated, misrepresentations or simply untrue.”
Travelodge Has Made A Decision To Remove Bibles That Could Really Upset Christians

Travelodge Has Made A Decision To Remove Bibles That Could Really Upset Christians

Commented Aug 17, 2014 at 11:56:41 in UK

“How convenient! If you are looking for absolute proof of anything then huffpost is not the place to come. The linkage of issues regarding my opinion is there for anyone with eyes to see.If one chooses not to see them ,thats fine too.I believe thats why the saying "sleepwalking to oblivion" was so popular in certain circles. Certain circles ,which I might add, I have no affiliation to or respect for.Methinks you are looking for "wriggle room" asking for proof..yet never providing any of your own.”

Lancelotjon on Aug 17, 2014 at 12:11:56

“Can I just barge in here? Since you've made the original claims, it's you who is obliged to furnish some proof. That you've signally failed to do so suggests you views rest on prejudice rather than fact.”
Travelodge Has Made A Decision To Remove Bibles That Could Really Upset Christians

Travelodge Has Made A Decision To Remove Bibles That Could Really Upset Christians

Commented Aug 17, 2014 at 11:19:40 in UK

“It could equally be said that you dismissed my opinion without evidence to support that dismissal....just a feeling or a hunch. There really are only two answers i.e an agenda or no agenda.I would say if everything is taken into consideration,by that I mean the general p.c attitude inflicted upon us these last few years,the bending over backwards approach to certain kinds of things etc ,one could quite easily treat this particular issue as another step a particular agenda. Its why initially I remarked of the thin end of the wedge..though the thin end of the wedge seems to be getting thicker by the day.”

Philip J Sparrow on Aug 17, 2014 at 11:28:58

“No it can't, the burden of proof is on you in making the claim.”
Travelodge Has Made A Decision To Remove Bibles That Could Really Upset Christians

Travelodge Has Made A Decision To Remove Bibles That Could Really Upset Christians

Commented Aug 17, 2014 at 10:29:36 in UK

“There is a "non-existent wedge"- "wishful thinking"....both of which suggest that my opinions were invalid.To know that a certain opinion was invalid would suggest that the "knower" would "know" the real reasons behind the issue ..or not behind the issue,come to that,which explains my remark.”

Philip J Sparrow on Aug 17, 2014 at 10:45:10

“No it doesn't. All it implies is that I didn't feel you had good reason to make your initial statement. You don't have to "know" the right answer to have a good idea of which answers are wrong. You made your statement without evidence and that is why I dismissed it.”
Travelodge Has Made A Decision To Remove Bibles That Could Really Upset Christians

Travelodge Has Made A Decision To Remove Bibles That Could Really Upset Christians

Commented Aug 17, 2014 at 10:18:34 in UK

“Most things today are insufferable nonsense,whether magazines,tv even huff post come to that. What is nonsense to one person is common sense to another.Surely everyone is entitled to their own particular brand of B.S if it so suits them. I could care less whether a bible is or isnt in the hotel room cabinet.But as its been a tradition,and in the wake of present circumstances the removal of the offending items could suggest to a cynic a certain agenda...”

FelixRat on Aug 17, 2014 at 12:56:47

“What you are calling a tradition is actually a campaign run by the Gideons - who's raison d'etre was to put bibles into hotel rooms. They have been in business for more than a century, but what they do can't be called a tradition, any more than calling any operation has been in business for a long time a tradition.

And the agenda you speak of, is called modernity. There really is no need to have a bible in a hotel room. Having it there because it is traditional, is the oddest notion yet. In fact, it would seem to contradict the notion that most modern businesses want to convey, that they don't give preference to a particular group of religion. Hence, the decision to withdraw permission from the Gideons to put their specific religious text into a hotels rooms.”
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