bermanator's Comments (1291)
EU: Jerusalem Should Be Joint Capital
Commented Dec 09, 2009 at 18:09:22 in World
“Baffy, that's only a segment of the quotation and you know it.
"We do not wish, we do not need to expel the Arabs and take their place. All our aspirations are built upon the assumption — proven throughout all our activity in the Land — that there is enough room in the country for ourselves and the Arabs."
"We extend the hand of peace and good-neighborliness to all the States around us and to their people, and we call upon them to cooperate in mutual helpfulness with the independent Jewish nation in its Land. The State of Israel is prepared to make its contribution in a concerted effort for the advancement of the entire Middle East."
"Even amidst the violent attacks launched against us for months past, we call upon the sons of the Arab people dwelling in Israel to keep the peace and to play their part in building the State on the basis of full and equal citizenship and due representation in all its institutions, provisional and permanent."
"Terrorism benefits the Arabs, it may lay waste the Yishuv and shake Zionism. But to follow in the Arabs' footsteps and ape their deeds is to be blind to the gulf between us. Our aims and theirs run counter: methods calculated to further theirs, are ruinous to us."
All said by David Ben-Gurion. Get a grip on reality and stop lying.”
"We do not wish, we do not need to expel the Arabs and take their place. All our aspirations are built upon the assumption — proven throughout all our activity in the Land — that there is enough room in the country for ourselves and the Arabs."
"We extend the hand of peace and good-neighborliness to all the States around us and to their people, and we call upon them to cooperate in mutual helpfulness with the independent Jewish nation in its Land. The State of Israel is prepared to make its contribution in a concerted effort for the advancement of the entire Middle East."
"Even amidst the violent attacks launched against us for months past, we call upon the sons of the Arab people dwelling in Israel to keep the peace and to play their part in building the State on the basis of full and equal citizenship and due representation in all its institutions, provisional and permanent."
"Terrorism benefits the Arabs, it may lay waste the Yishuv and shake Zionism. But to follow in the Arabs' footsteps and ape their deeds is to be blind to the gulf between us. Our aims and theirs run counter: methods calculated to further theirs, are ruinous to us."
All said by David Ben-Gurion. Get a grip on reality and stop lying.”
Amanda Knox VERDICT: GUILTY, Sentenced To 26 Years For Meredith Kercher Murder
Commented Dec 05, 2009 at 05:49:41 in World
“Quite similar to your deep, thorough and unbiased analyses of anything American...”
Iran Targets Online Critics Worldwide, Relatives Back Home
Commented Dec 04, 2009 at 14:16:04 in World
“Stop with the strawman. Two wrongs don't make a right.”
Irmi Olmert, Former Israeli PM's Brother, Punches Reporter, Knocks Him Unconscious
Commented Dec 03, 2009 at 20:54:10 in World
“Third time, let's see if you can handle it:
Wow HP, way to wipe out my 2-day old comments about your choice of photograph.
I must have forgotten how thin-skinned you people are. Only an insecure ideologue would suppress a basic question regarding journalistic integrity.
Again: why does this article feature a picture of Ehud Olmert when the article is entirely about his brother, Irmi? And why is the title worded the way it is? A far more appropriate one would be : "Irmi Olmert, Brother of Ex-PM, Punches Sports Reporter"...”
Wow HP, way to wipe out my 2-day old comments about your choice of photograph.
I must have forgotten how thin-skinned you people are. Only an insecure ideologue would suppress a basic question regarding journalistic integrity.
Again: why does this article feature a picture of Ehud Olmert when the article is entirely about his brother, Irmi? And why is the title worded the way it is? A far more appropriate one would be : "Irmi Olmert, Brother of Ex-PM, Punches Sports Reporter"...”
Rand replied on Dec 04, 2009 at 08:57:55
“Yeah... Heaven forfend that anyone notice that ,on a monitored thread, HP let blatantly bigoted comments stand for over a day!”
jwcmass replied on Dec 03, 2009 at 21:30:54
“It looks as though lots of posts were removed.
For the record, i agree with you that they should not have put a photo of Ehud Olmert in a story about hsi brother -- (and I doubt it would even make the International Press if it weren't for the fact that Irmi is the brother of Ehud.)
I did try to mention that i don't find this to be a big deal-- in point of fact, the former PM is facing charges that are more serious than this incident (although if i were the reporter that got punched i might disagree.)
But this is much ado about a little.”
For the record, i agree with you that they should not have put a photo of Ehud Olmert in a story about hsi brother -- (and I doubt it would even make the International Press if it weren't for the fact that Irmi is the brother of Ehud.)
I did try to mention that i don't find this to be a big deal-- in point of fact, the former PM is facing charges that are more serious than this incident (although if i were the reporter that got punched i might disagree.)
But this is much ado about a little.”
Jewish Nationalists Clash With Palestinians In East Jerusalem (VIDEO)
Commented Dec 03, 2009 at 16:22:02 in World
“I'm sorry but your comment is wrong on so many levels. I find it pathetic, that you believe American Jews have been "rewarded" by America with a "safe place to live", when most of us understand that no matter where we go, we are tolerated, not wanted. The Jewish people have a right to self-determination but you seem to believe we should be denied that right.
A little Hertzl might get your wheels turning again:
"And thus, many apparent friends of the Jews turn out, on careful inspection, to be nothing more than an Anti-Semite of Jewish origin disguised in the garb of a philanthropist."”
A little Hertzl might get your wheels turning again:
"And thus, many apparent friends of the Jews turn out, on careful inspection, to be nothing more than an Anti-Semite of Jewish origin disguised in the garb of a philanthropist."”
Peter Noble 2 replied on Dec 07, 2009 at 00:14:49
“bermanator:
I used to be chased every Easter for being a Jew. Jews killed Jesus was a very popular reason in Britain back in the 60's to attack Jewish kids. My grandfather went to hear Hitler speak and tried to persuade his wife's family in Berlin to leave with him: they did not.
New York City is the best place to be a Jew. Maybe you've never lived in NYC? If you have you are really paranoid to think this city of all places is dangerous to be a Jew. Yep our mayor is only tolerated with a 3rd term. Muslims however really are the ones only tolerated. Maybe they need a little Hertzl? Zionism belongs in the dustbin of history along with all the other failed race based social movements of the last century.”
I used to be chased every Easter for being a Jew. Jews killed Jesus was a very popular reason in Britain back in the 60's to attack Jewish kids. My grandfather went to hear Hitler speak and tried to persuade his wife's family in Berlin to leave with him: they did not.
New York City is the best place to be a Jew. Maybe you've never lived in NYC? If you have you are really paranoid to think this city of all places is dangerous to be a Jew. Yep our mayor is only tolerated with a 3rd term. Muslims however really are the ones only tolerated. Maybe they need a little Hertzl? Zionism belongs in the dustbin of history along with all the other failed race based social movements of the last century.”
juicyju replied on Dec 03, 2009 at 19:23:34
“Berm-You are very well-spoken and often take the words out of my mouth, except more eloquent.
@ Peter Noble, do you understand what Jews have gone through to survive til this day? Shame on you for being 'ashamed' and perhaps you should read my other posts that say this is untruthful reporting, so really you need to stop believing anti-Israel propaganda and as a Liberated American use the resources available to you to pursue truth.”
@ Peter Noble, do you understand what Jews have gone through to survive til this day? Shame on you for being 'ashamed' and perhaps you should read my other posts that say this is untruthful reporting, so really you need to stop believing anti-Israel propaganda and as a Liberated American use the resources available to you to pursue truth.”
Andrew Sullivan: I'm Breaking From The Right
Commented Dec 03, 2009 at 16:02:20 in Politics
“I stopped reading after "out of the closet pickle smoker".
Find some class, and try again.”
Find some class, and try again.”
US Troops Hopeful Obama Plan Will Wind Down War
Commented Dec 03, 2009 at 04:10:22 in World
“That almost definitely isn't the case, but that is exactly how the Iranians will perceive it.”
Jewish Nationalists Clash With Palestinians In East Jerusalem (VIDEO)
Commented Dec 02, 2009 at 18:36:47 in World
“The Palestinians were the one with sticks doing all the swinging.
The "settler" is the man with payot, bleeding from the head.”
The "settler" is the man with payot, bleeding from the head.”
Switzerland Faces Heavy Criticism Over Minaret Ban
Commented Dec 02, 2009 at 02:53:12 in World
“Not to mention discussing the genocide of over one million Armenians... that would be an "insult to Turkishness", according to their enlightened government.”
Jewish Nationalists Clash With Palestinians In East Jerusalem (VIDEO)
Commented Dec 02, 2009 at 01:41:02 in World
“Well, one of the first things I noticed is the fact that the video is of an Orthodox man, who is clearly trying to break up the fight (notice how he turns his back on his assailants), being beaten with sticks wielded by Palestinians.”
Israel Offers 10-Month West Bank Settlement Freeze
Commented Nov 26, 2009 at 22:44:36 in World
“And the country is 78% Jewish...
Leaving 46% not from the USA or Europe.”
Leaving 46% not from the USA or Europe.”
IAEA Chief: Iran Investigation At 'Dead end'
Commented Nov 26, 2009 at 20:50:42 in World
“Last year, there were one tenth the number of anti-Muslim hate crimes as anti-Semitic hate crimes (which are up 40%), and crime against Muslims are down 20%.
In California, the Muslim population is 30% larger than the Jewish population, but there are ten times more anti-Semitic crimes committed each year.
We should all be proud of how accepting of Islam America actually is.”
In California, the Muslim population is 30% larger than the Jewish population, but there are ten times more anti-Semitic crimes committed each year.
We should all be proud of how accepting of Islam America actually is.”
StJames replied on Nov 27, 2009 at 08:18:16
“And equally ashamed of the lingering anti-Semitism.”
Israel Offers 10-Month West Bank Settlement Freeze
Commented Nov 26, 2009 at 19:55:40 in World
“More Israelis come from Arab countries, Africa, and Iran than from Europe.
Never heard of the Mizrahim?”
Never heard of the Mizrahim?”
CigarGod replied on Nov 26, 2009 at 22:12:57
Israel Offers 10-Month West Bank Settlement Freeze
Commented Nov 26, 2009 at 01:05:43 in World
“We being Jews.
And CigarGod, being Jewish, is included.”
And CigarGod, being Jewish, is included.”
CigarGod replied on Nov 26, 2009 at 11:38:29
“Berm:
My comment on Zionism was for you.
I actually don't consider myself a "native". My family came from where the borders of austria, italy, slovenia, etc. come together...also from poland.
Sure, I suppose we can go back centuries and perhaps find a link...but I don't think that is relevant...except in a religious sense.”
My comment on Zionism was for you.
I actually don't consider myself a "native". My family came from where the borders of austria, italy, slovenia, etc. come together...also from poland.
Sure, I suppose we can go back centuries and perhaps find a link...but I don't think that is relevant...except in a religious sense.”
CigarGod replied on Nov 26, 2009 at 11:32:11
“Thank you.
But, I am referring to the pre-Hertzl/modern Zionism inhabitants.
These people: Jewish, Muslim, Christian (and a few others) were sharing the land in relative peace...until modern zionism upset the apple cart.”
But, I am referring to the pre-Hertzl/modern Zionism inhabitants.
These people: Jewish, Muslim, Christian (and a few others) were sharing the land in relative peace...until modern zionism upset the apple cart.”
MarcusT replied on Nov 26, 2009 at 09:57:49
“Native:
1. One born in or connected with a place by birth
2. One of the original inhabitants or lifelong residents of a place.
2. An animal or plant that originated in a particular place or region.”
1. One born in or connected with a place by birth
2. One of the original inhabitants or lifelong residents of a place.
2. An animal or plant that originated in a particular place or region.”
MarcusT replied on Nov 26, 2009 at 02:10:52
“1. One born in or connected with a place by birth.
2. One of the original inhabitants or lifelong residents of a place.
3. An animal or plant that originated in a particular place or region.”
2. One of the original inhabitants or lifelong residents of a place.
3. An animal or plant that originated in a particular place or region.”
Israel Offers 10-Month West Bank Settlement Freeze
Commented Nov 26, 2009 at 01:04:39 in World
“It should also be noted there are moderate Israelis who agree with their government.”
hemara replied on Nov 26, 2009 at 21:20:44
“I wouldn't classify using white phosphorous on civilians moderate.
Gaza scorecard:
Gaza: 13
Israel: 1400”
Gaza scorecard:
Gaza: 13
Israel: 1400”
MarcusT replied on Nov 26, 2009 at 01:10:21
“You've got a rather stark contradictions in terms going here.”
Israel Offers 10-Month West Bank Settlement Freeze
Commented Nov 26, 2009 at 00:15:00 in World
““Si vis pacem, para bellum””
CigarGod replied on Nov 26, 2009 at 22:32:03
“Ubi solitudinem faciunt, pacem appellant?”
jwcmass replied on Nov 26, 2009 at 20:50:16
“Yes, I wouldn't be choosing the Romans as my model for making peace.
One of their own historians, tacitus, said (and I'm sorry, I don't have the Latin quote) : "The Romans make a desert and call it peace."”
One of their own historians, tacitus, said (and I'm sorry, I don't have the Latin quote) : "The Romans make a desert and call it peace."”
CigarGod replied on Nov 26, 2009 at 11:27:44
“"Yes, we pack pistols".”
TAIsabel replied on Nov 26, 2009 at 00:48:09
“In a nutshell....the Israeli Peace Plan!!!
For those who are bored with this pomposity of quoting Latin, here is the translation of the statement above:
"If you want peace, prepare for war".
You should start peace negotiations with the Palestinians wearing T-Shirts emblazoned with this motto. Good luck to you!”
For those who are bored with this pomposity of quoting Latin, here is the translation of the statement above:
"If you want peace, prepare for war".
You should start peace negotiations with the Palestinians wearing T-Shirts emblazoned with this motto. Good luck to you!”
Israel Offers 10-Month West Bank Settlement Freeze
Commented Nov 26, 2009 at 00:04:13 in World
“What do you think about the land that was legally Jewish-owned before 1948 that was annexed by Jordan after the war of Independence? Did Israel have a right to reclaim that land in 1967?”
Artos replied on Nov 26, 2009 at 22:02:47
“What do you think of HItlers claim to lands in Poland, Czechoslavkia,Ukraine, Etc, due to the fact that Germans had settled in those lands, and therefore he had the right to annex those lands?”
Artos replied on Nov 26, 2009 at 13:15:57
“I have no knowledge of anything like that. If you want to say that any lands privately owned that belonged to individual Jews and or their families prior to Israels recognition as a state, belongs to Israel as well, then you lay the groundwork for a legal justification for Hitlers right to invade Poland and Czechoslavkia. Isn't that what Hitler also used as his justification? German citizens resided within the borders of those and other nations and they owned land therein therefore we Germans have the right to defend them and annex their lands accordingly. Do you really want to go there?”
MarcusT replied on Nov 26, 2009 at 03:48:34
“In 1948, at the moment that Israel declared itself a state, it legally owned a little more than 6 percent of the land of Palestine, the mandatory authority restricted Jewish land ownership to specific zones inside Palestine.”
Israel Offers 10-Month West Bank Settlement Freeze
Commented Nov 26, 2009 at 00:01:15 in World
“If you give back Manhattan we'll give back "Palestine".
Fair?”
Fair?”
Israel Offers 10-Month West Bank Settlement Freeze
Commented Nov 25, 2009 at 23:59:54 in World
“"israel does not want peace, they want land"
This isn't an Israeli policy. It's something you've made up in your head that gives you a simplistic answer to an extremely complicated question. Anybody with an objective view of things can see that despite all the failures, Israel *has* made serious efforts to make peace. This is obvious just by looking at today's peace treaties with Jordan and Egypt.
Your statement, if anything, is an intellectual cop-out, especially if you purport to be "pro-Palestinian".
If you actually try, I bet you can come up with a better solution than "blame the Jews".
The Palestinians are waiting.”
This isn't an Israeli policy. It's something you've made up in your head that gives you a simplistic answer to an extremely complicated question. Anybody with an objective view of things can see that despite all the failures, Israel *has* made serious efforts to make peace. This is obvious just by looking at today's peace treaties with Jordan and Egypt.
Your statement, if anything, is an intellectual cop-out, especially if you purport to be "pro-Palestinian".
If you actually try, I bet you can come up with a better solution than "blame the Jews".
The Palestinians are waiting.”
alysheba 3 replied on Nov 27, 2009 at 01:25:57
“David Ben-Gurion:
From the beginning, Zionists advocated a "Jewish State" not just in Palestine, but also in Jordan, southern Lebanon, and the Golan Heights as well. In 1918 Ben-Gurion described the future "Jewish state's" frontiers in details as follows:
"to the north, the Litani river [in southern Lebanon], to the northeast, the Wadi 'Owja, twenty miles south of Damascus; the southern border will be mobile and pushed into Sinai at least up to Wadi al-'Arish; and to the east, the Syrian Desert, including the furthest edge of Transjordan" (Expulsion Of The Palestinians, p. 87)
Ben-Gurion clearly stated that Zionism's ultimate objective is to make Palestine (inclusive of Trans-Jordan) a land with a Jewish majority. He stated in November 1917:
"Within then the next twenty years, we must have a Jewish majority in Palestine." (Shabtai Teveth, p. 43)
After Ben-Gurion's encounter with George Antonius in May 1936, he was willing to concede the existence of a conflict between Palestinian and Jewish nationalisms for the first time. He stated in public that:
"There is a conflict, a great conflict." not in the economic but the political realm. "There is fundamental conflict. We and they want the same thing: We both want Palestine. And that is the fundamental conflict." (Shabtai Teveth, p. 166)
(from: http://www.palestineremembered.com/Acre/Famous-Zionist-Quotes/Story638.html)
Shall I quote other Zionist founders who declared they have always had the intention of stealing all of Palestine?”
From the beginning, Zionists advocated a "Jewish State" not just in Palestine, but also in Jordan, southern Lebanon, and the Golan Heights as well. In 1918 Ben-Gurion described the future "Jewish state's" frontiers in details as follows:
"to the north, the Litani river [in southern Lebanon], to the northeast, the Wadi 'Owja, twenty miles south of Damascus; the southern border will be mobile and pushed into Sinai at least up to Wadi al-'Arish; and to the east, the Syrian Desert, including the furthest edge of Transjordan" (Expulsion Of The Palestinians, p. 87)
Ben-Gurion clearly stated that Zionism's ultimate objective is to make Palestine (inclusive of Trans-Jordan) a land with a Jewish majority. He stated in November 1917:
"Within then the next twenty years, we must have a Jewish majority in Palestine." (Shabtai Teveth, p. 43)
After Ben-Gurion's encounter with George Antonius in May 1936, he was willing to concede the existence of a conflict between Palestinian and Jewish nationalisms for the first time. He stated in public that:
"There is a conflict, a great conflict." not in the economic but the political realm. "There is fundamental conflict. We and they want the same thing: We both want Palestine. And that is the fundamental conflict." (Shabtai Teveth, p. 166)
(from: http://www.palestineremembered.com/Acre/Famous-Zionist-Quotes/Story638.html)
Shall I quote other Zionist founders who declared they have always had the intention of stealing all of Palestine?”
gakabani replied on Nov 26, 2009 at 09:36:38
“You can count with my direct view of the situation as a Druze. Please read some history and facts, not propaganda.
Complicated for you that understand little of the situation and suffering. Your views want it to be complicated in order to procrastinate a solution.
Regarding Jews, what about them? It is the policy that is at the center of the issue not religion. Let Palestinians become Israeli citizens. Will that be democratic?”
Complicated for you that understand little of the situation and suffering. Your views want it to be complicated in order to procrastinate a solution.
Regarding Jews, what about them? It is the policy that is at the center of the issue not religion. Let Palestinians become Israeli citizens. Will that be democratic?”
Israel Offers 10-Month West Bank Settlement Freeze
Commented Nov 25, 2009 at 23:53:20 in World
“Yeah, because the 1929 riots or the Hebron and Tsfat massacres never happened, eh Baffy? You honestly believe the entire conflict started with Deir Yassin? Or that Deir Yassin was somehow worse than any of the massacres of Jews throughout Israel during the time?”
Israel Offers 10-Month West Bank Settlement Freeze
Commented Nov 25, 2009 at 23:47:42 in World
“We are the native people, sorry Pal.”
MarcusT replied on Nov 26, 2009 at 00:42:22
“"We" :))”
Israel Offers 10-Month West Bank Settlement Freeze
Commented Nov 25, 2009 at 23:46:34 in World
“Really? So people who support Israel are automatically ignorant and lack a sense of justice?
Are you ever shocked by your own stupidity?”
Are you ever shocked by your own stupidity?”
CigarGod replied on Nov 26, 2009 at 11:29:12
“TAIsabel:
He has been on tilt...or a bender for 2 days now.”
He has been on tilt...or a bender for 2 days now.”
TAIsabel replied on Nov 26, 2009 at 00:05:25
“No but, I am amused by yours.”
jwcmass replied on Nov 26, 2009 at 00:05:10
“I think you are putting words in TAIsabel's mouth. That is NOT what she (or he ) said at all.
The fact is that there are many Israelis (B'Tselem, Peace Now, Rabbis for Human Rights) -- as well as many other Israelis who are very critical of the actions of their governmetn and of the ideology of the settler movement.
Many have cooperated with Palestinians in seeking justice, in assisting Palestinian farmers in harvesting their crops when they are faced with threats of violence from some of the more fanatic settlers, and who are calling for justice for the Palestinians.”
The fact is that there are many Israelis (B'Tselem, Peace Now, Rabbis for Human Rights) -- as well as many other Israelis who are very critical of the actions of their governmetn and of the ideology of the settler movement.
Many have cooperated with Palestinians in seeking justice, in assisting Palestinian farmers in harvesting their crops when they are faced with threats of violence from some of the more fanatic settlers, and who are calling for justice for the Palestinians.”
Israel Readying New Cutting-Edge Arms To Meet Iran Challenge
Commented Nov 25, 2009 at 11:52:10 in World
“No, the total spending during 2007 was $2.5 billion. The total of "all other" spending on Israel from 1949-2007 is $14 billion. Try reading the chart if you're going to bother posting it.”
GZLives replied on Nov 25, 2009 at 12:32:00
“Reading anything that contradicts their already preconceived notions is a non starter”
Netanyahu: Prisoner Swap Not A Done Deal
Commented Nov 24, 2009 at 23:56:19 in World
“Did you also marry your stepdaughter?”
Katie Couric Dancing: Party Pics Of Anchor Letting Loose (PHOTOS)
Commented Nov 24, 2009 at 23:27:46 in Media
“LOL”


