“"Stoned to death according to church doctrine"???? What Church? What doctrine? I think you're a tad confused.”
Sistagirl Young on Dec 8, 2011 at 14:21:27
“Hello blackjack46; Accordin' to the Mosaic Law a couple could be stoned to death if found guilty of adultery. Leviticus 20:10. " But this was under the Law. Christians are cleansed by the blood of JESUS and are not under the Law of Moses. Life.”
“Some would say more vulgar and blasphemous. But I suppose it might appeal to a certain members of the unwashed.”
ZenGardner on Dec 8, 2011 at 11:09:25
“Some would have no sense of humor either.”
ZenGardner on Dec 8, 2011 at 10:58:18
“What's truly amazing is that you christians need to make up the most outlandish "loopholes" so that you can claim some divinity for your Jesus character. The need to fabricate a lie, that Mary was born without original sin (yes, I had to look it up), just so she could be a pure vessel so your god could stick his wangdoodle in, is both comical and sad.
Now I see where rebublican'ts have learned all their trickery.”
“What indifference????? I believe he was voicing concern. Here are his actual remarks. To nay rational person the Pope's position is certainly the most reasonable and moral position. http://www.zenit.org/article-32140?l=english”
“Interesting that so many people on this blog would deny the most highly visible religious leader on the planet from making staements regarding the morality of certain actions, in this case speaking out against civilian deaths in Lybia. From the comments on this blog, one can only assume that most of the bloggers are in favor of the deaths of hundreds of innocent civilians.”
“The Pope makes comments on national and international events daily. You are treated to what the local (and mean US press) deems useful. If you wish to check my comments, go to http://www.zenit.org/index.php?l=english. Yesterday alone there were 11 pronouncements from the Vatican.”
Torture it was first authorized by Innocent IV in his Bull "Ad exstirpanda" of 15 May, 1252, which was confirmed by Alexander IV on 30 November, 1259, and by Clement IV on 3 November, 1265. The limit placed upon torture was citra membri diminutionem et mortis periculum — i.e, it was not to cause the loss of life or limb or imperil life. Torture was to applied only once, and not then unless the accused were uncertain in his statements, and seemed already virtually convicted by manifold and weighty proofs. In general, this violent testimony (quaestio) was to be deferred as long as possible, and recourse to it was permitted in only when all other expedients were exhausted. Conscientious and sensible judges quite properly attached no great importance to confessions extracted by torture. After long experience Eymeric declared: Quaestiones sunt fallaces et inefficaces — i.e the torture is deceptive and ineffectual.”
“1 Corinthians has 16 chapters, so could you narrow it to something a little more to the point so I might be able to understand what you are talking about.
Sate sponsored atheism certainly does a have a theology and employs the worst repressive practices of any religion. Dialectical materialism is atheistic by it's nature. You can stamp you feet and ahve a tantrum to your hearts delight, but you are wrong.”
Innocent III, in view of the immense spread of the heresy, called upon the King of France, to use force. He renewed his appeal on receiving news of the assassination of his legate, Peter of Castelnau, a Cistercian monk, he attributed to Raymond VI. Numerous barons of northern France, Germany, and Belgium joined the crusade, and papal legates were put at the head of the expedition. Raymond VI, still under the ban of excommunication pronounced against him by Peter of Castelnau, was reconciled with the Church, and took the field against his friends. Roger, Viscount of Béziers, was first attacked, and his fortresses, Béziers and Carcassonne, were taken (1209). At the Council of Avignon (1209) Raymond VI was again excommunicated for not fulfilling the conditions of ecclesiastical reconciliation. He went in person to Rome, and the Pope ordered an investigation. After fruitless attempts in the Council of Arles (1211) at an agreement between the papal legates and the Count of Toulouse, the latter left the council and prepared to resist. He was declared an enemy of the Church and his possessions were forfeited to whoever would conquer them. Lavaur, Dep. of Tarn, fell in 1211, amid dreadful carnage, into the hands of the crusaders. The latter, exasperated by the reported massacre of 6,000 of their followers, spared neither age nor sex. The crusade now degenerated into a war of conquest, and Innocent III, in spite of his efforts, was powerless to bring the undertaking back to its original purpose.”
“I see no correlation bewixt the two passages and certainl none that supports your contention.
I am sure you aware that the null set in any mathematical grouping is still part of that set. The type of atheism which was practice in the Communist block was hateful and destructive of any other religion and pers4ecuted them mercilessly.
You may quibble all you want, but the majority of the world consider atheism the state religion of Communism.”
“No disrespect meant, but I am inclined to consider Lenin's take on Marx and Engel's as opposed to almost anyone you may be able to produce.
As far as Paul's word for what Jesus meant, is that an expert opinion, you certainly make it sound very authoritative? Can you give an example to explain that statement.
And as far as me being derogatory. I have over 150 replies which are nothing but derogatory. So as far as I am concerned that seems to be de regur. I think that you really meant that you were stung and disarmed by the facts of the matter.”
“Cole 33. "Isn't that bad" is not point. What is the point is why do people lend themselves to gross oh so gross exaggerations when it involves the Catholic Church? The Inquisition was a loose term for boards of inquiry regarding the breakdown which was happening amonst the clergy and their proclivity for altering the teachings of the Church. As representative of the Church, they could not misrepresent what the Church taught. Do like Luther, go form your own religion over which the Church had no authority.
I would be the first to admit that members of the Catholic clergy and mant Catholics themselves can be jammed into that bad category, but to defame the entire institution is irrational especially since the Church herself views the behavior as immoral.”
“Not at all. I am only responding to the gross exaggerations that people take liberty to spout. As a Catholic these scandals affect me more personally than any of you on the outside can possibly understand. But I do try to keep it in proper perspective.
My position is that many of those allegedly molested were not really children.
That many of the allegations can neither be proved nor disproved.
If the media is going to report this as news, broaden the focus to include the perpatriators instead of focusing solely on the Catholic clergy.”
“The Church has always had a campaign to bring back lapsed memebers. That's a constant. I went to two Masses at St. Patrick's in Miami Beach last month. Every mas was SRO. Last September I spent two weeks in Sorrento, Italy. Again SRO. I peaked into three different Churches in Sorrento to see if it was true that they didn't attend Church in Italy. All SRO.
My parish has four masses, 3 on Sunday and 1 on Saturday night. The Church holds 1,500. Not every Mass is SRO but on average it is about 800 people per Mass.
Attendance at inner city churches is sparse since the migration of the descendants of early immigrants has spread to the suburbs.”