“My father-in-law is as conservative as they come, and he was laughing hysterically at The Colbert Report last time he came to visit. Maybe it's true that conservatives won't like Stephen Colbert, but it'll just be the ones with no sense of humor.”
“And it's not that I don't understand English, it's that I despise word games. Not being surprised about the kid being on drugs is making the assumption that most of the time only kids on drugs would do something like that. I know it hurts to be wrong, but lashing out at someone who happens to have disagreed with you and relieving your cognitive dissonance by convincing yourself that person is just not intelligent enough to understand the nuance of your statement just makes you look petty.”
demsd on Apr 14, 2014 at 18:42:56
“"... it's that I despise word games."
Practice what you preach, Erin. Don't like games? Don't play them.
"Not being surprised about the kid being on drugs is making the assumption that most of the time only kids on drugs would do something like that."
Sorry, no. YOU made the assumption that what I was saying was, "only kids on drugs would do something like that." I was stating a fact. That fact is, if you look at all the cases involving kids [or adults for that matter], the vast majority of them had an underlying mental health issue -- and -- it is also a known fact that these drugs can induce violence.
Were you wrong to assume and insinuate? Absolutely!
“It's funny how you feel it's necessary to insult me because I don't happen to agree with you. I have trouble understanding English and make myself look like a rube? No. I just don't agree with your assessment. And since the kid wasn't on drugs according to his attorney, your assumption is clearly the one that was wrong. I'm sorry you react this way when you have to eat your words. Maybe getting back on the meds will help you deal with things like that?”
“On the contrary, if the agitation, irritability, hostility, and impulsivity are WORSE than the original symptoms than they are a very bad thing. If, however, the side effects are a clear improvement over the symptoms without medication than it is a trade off that many people are willing to make. It seems like you have required medication for most of your life, and yet you PRESUME that this child was on medication. You have no idea what you are talking about, not because you haven't experienced the meds, but because you assign your experience onto everyone else who does take them.
IME it is not the kids who's parents are attempting to treat them in one way or the other that are the problem. It is the parents who refuse to treat their child because of the stigma of medication. If Wellbutrin is so bad, why do you continue to go back to it? There are many options, and yet you obviously must feel it does some good if you keep going "one and off for many years."”
demsd on Apr 12, 2014 at 17:12:06
“You make a lot of assumptions and clearly have trouble understanding simple English. If these drugs are inducing violence in teens, then something like hostility is not a trade-off.
Moreover, I never presumed this teen was on medication, I said that, "I would be surprised if this kid was not on some sort of pharmaceutical." Based on what his attorney said, he was not. Telling people he wanted to kill himself is an indication that he should have been on something, or at the very least, monitored professionally in an inpatient facility.
Lastly, my experience with Ritilan is similar to many kids who take stimulating antidepressants, etc. And I never said Wellbutrin was bad. That's you putting words into my mouth, and looking like a rube while you do it.
“I'm not sure what you mean by that question, but I'm not surprised. You start your comment by citing a doctor on antidepressants. You then switch over to talking about stimulants. I can only assume that you have decided that all medications used to treat mental illness is bad regardless of how different they are. Are you a scientologist by any chance?”
demsd on Apr 11, 2014 at 18:21:44
“"You start your comment by citing a doctor on antidepressants."
The doctor was on antidepressants... is that what I said?
"You then switch over to talking about stimulants."
There are no stimulating antidepressants? Bupropion [Wellbutrin] is one of the most stimulating antidepressants.
Some of the side effects of Ritilan are depression, nervousness, trouble sleeping, anger and irritability. I started taking Ritilan when I was in grade school on up until I was about 13-years-old when my parents took me off of it. I started experiencing most of the aformentioned side effects at about the age of nine or ten. At the age of twelve was when the depression started, and I have been taking Welbutrin on and off for many years. So, don't even presume to tell me what I know and do not know about antidepressants and stimulants.
You cannot negate the fact that many antidepressants and stimulants can cause behavior, mood, or mental changes. Apparently you think agitation, irritability, hostility and impulsivity are good things.
“I agree with that, but than why not push for laws that say only trained handlers can have pit bulls? That current pets must ALL be altered. People say it's not "fair" to the people who love the breed, but is it fair to the dogs that just because some people love them that they aren't more protected? I would support a ban on ALL breeding even though I love dogs. Because I love them so much that I'd rather not have them at all than see so many suffer and die. The pit advocates seem sort of selfish in their attempt to continue breeding and popularizing a dog that is so likely to be mistreated and discarded!”
“If certain people should not own certain dogs because they could possibly kill someone, I don't trust ANYONE that claims to be the "right" kind of owner. The facts are out there. Whether or not you choose to believe them because they don't conform to your current beliefs does not negate them. Like I said, I have not animosity towards certain breeds. I grew up with a pit mix and have come into contact with many happy pit bulls, but I have the ability to separate my personal experiences from facts. Dogs are bred by humans to have certain traits. The "bad" owners you guys often speak of are also "bad" breeders. What traits do you think they are breeding for?”
“I just find it hard to believe that every fatal pit attack is because the dog was not trained. I mean, it's easy for pit advocates to say after that they must not have been if they attacked, but when so many people are completely taken by surprise that their loving dog attacked someone there has got to be more to it. If we look at the statistics, an untrained border collie is almost definitely not going to kill you. An untrained pomeranian almost definitely will not kill you. An untrained pit bull? Eh, maybe it will and maybe it won't depending on it's history. If what you say is true, than how can you advocate allowing just anyone to have access to a dog that if not well trained may kill you?
Now, I know the argument is that all those dogs that kill are not actually pits. There is a "family" of dogs that look alike that are really distinct breeds so we can't lump them all together. In the recent case of the girl killed in Louisiana (from my hometown, no less) her step-dad's pit was registered in several different clubs under different breeds depending on which breed was recognized in each club. There has been an attempt to disguise this "type" of dog by giving it different names, I think we both know that if a lab and a pit are running at you, you'll be able to tell which is which.”
DeeSevere on Apr 8, 2014 at 12:20:06
“p.s. one other thing needs to be mentioned: pit bulls are by far the most abused and neglected breed. If you hear stories on the news about dogs being tortured, set on fire, having their legs chopped off -- all of those were pit bulls. I advocate for dog rescue and I hear all of them, and see all the photos. Make me cry on a regular basis.
So if you're wondering why people are so passionate about advocating for these wonderful dogs -- that's why. They need someone to stand up for them, and I'm one of those people.”
DeeSevere on Apr 8, 2014 at 11:54:31
“There's also a media prejudice. A reporter actually told a dog rescuer I know that, unless a dog attack story involves a pit bull, they're not interested in it. I think the media picks one kind of dog to demonize. Some years back it was german shepherds, then it was dobermans, then it was rottweilers, now it's pits.
And, any motivated dog that's fairly large size can kill you. I think there's more of a problem with pit bulls because when abusive jerks want to get a dog, that's their breed of choice. So it's important for responsible pit bull owners to make sure their dog is a good ambassador for the breed.
For instance, the other day we had a vet appointment and I had a hair appointment in the same neighborhood, so my husband ended up hanging out in front of the salon with Clyde (avatar pic). A lot of people came by, gave him attention, petted him, asked my husband questions about pit bulls, remarked what a nice dog he was. Once people actually hang out with a pit bull, their minds are changed.”
“That's my problem, Dee. If the consequence of not training your dog is that it will kill something, that is too big a risk for them to be available to the general public. I have a 70lb standard poodle. He is trained to come when called, use the bathroom outside, sit, and stay...that's about it. Is that enough for a pit? It's not just the people raising these dogs that are the problem, it's the people breeding them. I don't blame the dog, but I don't trust every pit owner to have perfectly trained dogs either.”
DeeSevere on Apr 8, 2014 at 11:13:30
“For a lot of pits, the level of training your poodle got is fine. Sometimes dogs who have been previously abused have issues that need further training. But a lot of the dogs rescued from Michael Vick's fighting ring are now re-homed and happy, so nearly all dogs can be rehabilitated.
It's mostly an energy thing -- with any big breed, pits, chows, german shepherds, rottweilers, dobermans, akitas, mastiffs, etc. you need that relationship that Cesar Milan espouses -- human is calm assertive, dog is calm submissive.
And the human needs to know how to go to that state and get their dog to that state. It's the human who needs training as much as the dog.
If you've seen his shows, they'll have an owner whose dog is totally out of control, Cesar walks in, tells the dog to behave, dog sits and calms down. Owner is amazed. It was Cesar's energy -- he projected to the dog that he was the boss, and the dog was like, "oh, okay, the boss is here. I'll sit now."”
“Huskies are no where near as prone to fatal human bites, but if you look at the top dogs they are on the list. My mom was bitten by her friend's Husky, btw, but I know any dog can bite. I just look at the statistics and make my decision based on that rather than personal experience. The pits I know have never hurt a human, but I still wouldn't own one.”
“Lots of dogs bite, but not many of them have not just the power but the tenacity to kill a person. How many times have we read that it was a total shock, a family dog, that they never would have imagined, that it was a tragic accident... are all those people lying about their dogs? Just like herding dogs have been bred to herd, some dogs have been bred to attack (or defend). How do people explain the LACK of many large breeds that have not killed any other way? While I agree that any dog can bite under the right circumstances, it's just plain denial to think that all dogs are equally capable of killing. I would not have a husky, a rottweiler, a chow, OR a pit in my home. Just playing the odds on that one. There are too many other breeds to choose from. But I do feel bad for the pits that are in shelters. It truly isn't their fault they are there.”
Colleen Carrigan on Apr 8, 2014 at 14:29:07
“It's good that you recognize that you are not cut out to own certain dogs, but your statement still doesn't contain any information that bears any resemblance to an actual fact.”
DeeSevere on Apr 8, 2014 at 01:21:24
“I've had a purebred chow, 2 chow mixes, 2 pit mixes and a rescued purebred pittie over the last 25 years, and they've all been great dogs.
The problems arise when people don't take the time to train their dogs. You can't just get a big dog and let them loose in the yard and think everything will be okay.”
StevenLFord on Apr 8, 2014 at 00:29:20
“I've honestly never understood why people say Husky's are a bad breed. Obviously, I'm a little bit biased.
Perhaps it's just that huskies can difficult to train. It takes a firm hand and a owner who isn't afraid to be the alpha at all times.But they LOVE people. Pretty much any source that tells about huskie temperament specifies not to get them as a guard dogs because every new stranger is the opportunity to meet a new friend.
Now Chows on the other hand... I don't like them. A pair of stupid chows came up to me as an 8 or 9 year old and stole my cookies right out of my hand. I've never forgiven the breed for that. :D”
Mar 21, 2014 at 09:03:35
“It's a poor choice. Purposefully infecting your child with a virus that could lead to pneumonia or encephalitis because they believe "that won't happen to MY child" sounds like good parenting to you? It sounds beyond negligent to me. In fact, it sounds abusive.”
Mar 21, 2014 at 08:59:48
“Do you know the circumstances for each of those deaths? This may not have occurred to you, but some of the kids that died from the vaccine may have had underlying conditions that contributed to their death. Their doctors may not have known of the condition, or they didn't realize the vaccine was contraindicated. In any case, that has nothing to do with the overall safety of the vaccine and more to do with the medical care that particular child was receiving. Doctors are people. They make mistakes. Unless you know those circumstances there is no way for you to draw any conclusion about the safety of the smallpox vaccine.”